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Just watched a Ryan Shaw video about Tesla Superchargers opening to CCS cars. Rivians and Lucids can only charge there by taking up two spaces. The cable length was designed only to reach the car's charge port when a Tesla is backed in. Thus the only way Rivians and Lucids can charge are by parking in the space to the side of the charge post rather that in the space right in front of the post. (This was the same issue I had a few weeks back when I decided to try a ChargePoint station. I had to straddle two spaces to bring the Lucid charge port directly into line with the very short charge cable.)

I wonder how Tesla drivers will react to finding CCS cars occupying two spots to charge one car at a crowded Supercharger location? And I wonder how long Lucid drivers will have to wait to find two adjacent spaces open at the same time at busy Superchargers?
 
I just talked to my brother, who follows all things Tesla more closely than I, about the Shaw video. He has read that for the time being Tesla is only opening lower-traffic Superchargers to CCS cars due to this issue with cable length.
 
DeaneG said:
V4 superchargers will have longer cables and 1000V capability. But none have been installed in the USA yet.
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Have you seen any timeline for these installations? We've been driving Teslas for almost eight years and already have an account set up with Tesla for charging our Model S Plaid. It would really be convenient to use Supercharger locations with which we're already familiar -- and which, unlike EA chargers, we have always found to work. Also, Tesla Superchargers aren't usually far away from eateries and restrooms, which EA chargers on the far edges of Walmart parking lots tend to be.

Even with almost two years of free charging left on our Lucid, we'd probably seek out Superchargers first on road trips just for the likelihood that we could connect without the usual drama and delays of an EA station on the eastern seaboard.
 
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hmp10 said:
Have you seen any timeline for these installations? ...
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No. The first V4 dispensers are being installed in the EU (longer cable), but not yet the V4 power cabinets that provide the 1000 volt capability.
 
DeaneG said:
No. The first V4 dispensers are being installed in the EU (longer cable), but not yet the V4 power cabinets that provide the 1000 volt capability.
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According to Biden, 3500 open superchargers by end 2024.

I believe that’s equal to the total # of EA chargers that currently exist (at least as of late 2022).

www.whitehouse.gov

FACT SHEET: Biden-Harris Administration Announces New Standards and Major Progress for a Made-in-America National Network of Electric Vehicle Chargers | The White House

Made in America Policies and New Technical Standards Support the Future of the Electric Vehicle Charging Industry, Public and Private Actions Accelerate Buildout of National Network and Catalyze Manufacturing Boom Today, the Biden-Harris Administration announced its latest set of actions aimed...
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov
 
LCIDdreams said:
According to Biden, 3500 open superchargers by end 2024.

I believe that’s equal to the total # of EA chargers that currently exist (at least as of late 2022).
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I'm afraid that won't do us Lucid owners much good unless the new V4 chargers not yet in the U.S. can accommodate Lucid's charging architecture.

Not only can Lucids not charge at a current Supercharger unless two spaces are available -- and even then not at some chargers due to their layout -- but Lucids can only pull 43 kW at the current Superchargers according to Tom Moloughney's recent testing.

A lot of things have to change for Tesla Superchargers to become a viable alternative for charging Lucids on a road trip.
 
LCIDdreams said:
According to Biden, 3500 open superchargers by end 2024.

I believe that’s equal to the total # of EA chargers that currently exist (at least as of late 2022).

www.whitehouse.gov

FACT SHEET: Biden-Harris Administration Announces New Standards and Major Progress for a Made-in-America National Network of Electric Vehicle Chargers | The White House

Made in America Policies and New Technical Standards Support the Future of the Electric Vehicle Charging Industry, Public and Private Actions Accelerate Buildout of National Network and Catalyze Manufacturing Boom Today, the Biden-Harris Administration announced its latest set of actions aimed...
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov
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Sorry, but I don’t believe anything that comes from the federal government these days. I’m actually still waiting for an EA site near me to open after is has been sitting “complete” for the past two years. There will be many years before the infrastructure improves to meet up with the number of cars on the road, if not a decade or more.
 
ACCELERATING THE BUILDOUT OF EV CHARGING NETWORKS

The Biden-Harris Administration’s actions on EVs have spurred network operators to accelerate the buildout of coast-to-coast EV charging networks. Public dollars will supplement private investment by filling gaps, serving rural and hard to reach locations, and building capacity in communities. Announcements being spotlighted today will add more than 100,000 public chargers available for all EVs, and include:

  • Tesla, for the first time, will open a portion of its U.S. Supercharger and Destination Charger network to non-Tesla EVs, making at least 7,500 chargers available for all EVs by the end of 2024. The open chargers will be distributed across the United States. They will include at least 3,500 new and existing 250 kW Superchargers along highway corridors to expand freedom of travel for all EVs, and Level 2 Destination Charging at locations like hotels and restaurants in urban and rural locations. All EV drivers will be able to access these stations using the Tesla app or website. Additionally, Tesla will more than double its full nationwide network of Superchargers, manufactured in Buffalo, New York.
  • Hertz and bp are announcing their intention to build out a national network of EV fast charging infrastructure to accelerate the adoption of electric vehicles. Hertz and bp intend to bring charging infrastructure to Hertz locations across America, including major cities such as Atlanta, Austin, Boston, Chicago, Denver, Houston, Miami, New York City, Orlando, Phoenix, San Francisco, and Washington, DC. The charging hubs will serve rideshare and taxi drivers, car rental customers and the general public at high-demand locations, such as airports. A number of installations are expected to include large-scale charging hubs, known as “gigahubs.” bp aims to invest $1 billion in EV charging in the US by 2030. Hertz’s objective is to make one-quarter of its fleet electric by the end of 2024.
  • Pilot Company, General Motors, and EVgohave partnered to build a coast-to-coast network of 2,000 high power 350 kW fast chargers at Pilot and Flying J travel centers along American highways. The nationwide network of up to 500 travel centers will enable long distance EV travel by connecting urban and rural communities. Today, the companies are announcing that the first 200+ chargers in this network are expected to be available for use by drivers in 2023.
  • TravelCenters of America and Electrify America announced that they will offer electric vehicle charging at select Travel Centers of America and Petro locations, with a goal of installing approximately 1,000 EV chargers at 200 locations along major highways over the next five years.
  • Electrify America recently held the official groundbreaking of Electrify America Solar Glow™ 1, the new 75 MW solar PV project in San Bernardino County, CA to help back all energy delivered to EV drivers with renewable energy across more than 800 DC fast charging stations nationwide.
  • Mercedes-Benz, ChargePoint, and MN8 Energy announced a partnership to deploy over 400 charging hubs with more than 2,500 publicly accessible DC fast charging ports across the U.S. and Canada.
  • ChargePoint, Volvo Cars, and Starbucksannounced a partnership to deploy 60 DC fast chargers at up to 15 locations along the 1,350-mile pilot route between Seattle and Denver to be completed by summer 2023.
  • General Motors, in partnership with FLO, has announced a collaborative effort with dealers to install up to 40,000 public Level 2 EV chargers in local communities by 2026 through GM’s Dealer Community Charging Program. The new charging stations will join the GM’s Ultium Charge 360 network, and will be available to all EV drivers.
  • Francis Energy, a Tulsa, Oklahoma-based EV charge point operator, is expanding into 40 states in 2023, with plans to install 50,000 EV charging ports by 2030 in partnership with municipalities, auto dealers, Tribal Nations, and private businesses. Currently 75% of Francis Energy’s network is in Justice40 communities.
  • Forum Mobility, a zero-emission trucking solutions provider, recently announced a $400 million commitment to deploy over 1,000 DC fast-chargers. The charging infrastructure will serve the thousands of heavy-duty electric trucks projected to begin operating at the San Pedro and Oakland ports in California over the next decade. The community charging depots will create over 600 new union jobs in disadvantaged communities while reducing harmful emissions at the ports and along freight corridors.
  • Ford has committed to installing at least one public-facing DC Fast charger with two ports at 1,920 Ford dealerships by January 2024.
 
Tesla2.0 said:
ACCELERATING THE BUILDOUT OF EV CHARGING NETWORKS

The Biden-Harris Administration’s actions on EVs have spurred network operators to accelerate the buildout of coast-to-coast EV charging networks. Public dollars will supplement private investment by filling gaps, serving rural and hard to reach locations, and building capacity in communities. Announcements being spotlighted today will add more than 100,000 public chargers available for all EVs, and include:

  • Tesla, for the first time, will open a portion of its U.S. Supercharger and Destination Charger network to non-Tesla EVs, making at least 7,500 chargers available for all EVs by the end of 2024. The open chargers will be distributed across the United States. They will include at least 3,500 new and existing 250 kW Superchargers along highway corridors to expand freedom of travel for all EVs, and Level 2 Destination Charging at locations like hotels and restaurants in urban and rural locations. All EV drivers will be able to access these stations using the Tesla app or website. Additionally, Tesla will more than double its full nationwide network of Superchargers, manufactured in Buffalo, New York.
  • Hertz and bp are announcing their intention to build out a national network of EV fast charging infrastructure to accelerate the adoption of electric vehicles. Hertz and bp intend to bring charging infrastructure to Hertz locations across America, including major cities such as Atlanta, Austin, Boston, Chicago, Denver, Houston, Miami, New York City, Orlando, Phoenix, San Francisco, and Washington, DC. The charging hubs will serve rideshare and taxi drivers, car rental customers and the general public at high-demand locations, such as airports. A number of installations are expected to include large-scale charging hubs, known as “gigahubs.” bp aims to invest $1 billion in EV charging in the US by 2030. Hertz’s objective is to make one-quarter of its fleet electric by the end of 2024.
  • Pilot Company, General Motors, and EVgohave partnered to build a coast-to-coast network of 2,000 high power 350 kW fast chargers at Pilot and Flying J travel centers along American highways. The nationwide network of up to 500 travel centers will enable long distance EV travel by connecting urban and rural communities. Today, the companies are announcing that the first 200+ chargers in this network are expected to be available for use by drivers in 2023.
  • TravelCenters of America and Electrify America announced that they will offer electric vehicle charging at select Travel Centers of America and Petro locations, with a goal of installing approximately 1,000 EV chargers at 200 locations along major highways over the next five years.
  • Electrify America recently held the official groundbreaking of Electrify America Solar Glow™ 1, the new 75 MW solar PV project in San Bernardino County, CA to help back all energy delivered to EV drivers with renewable energy across more than 800 DC fast charging stations nationwide.
  • Mercedes-Benz, ChargePoint, and MN8 Energy announced a partnership to deploy over 400 charging hubs with more than 2,500 publicly accessible DC fast charging ports across the U.S. and Canada.
  • ChargePoint, Volvo Cars, and Starbucksannounced a partnership to deploy 60 DC fast chargers at up to 15 locations along the 1,350-mile pilot route between Seattle and Denver to be completed by summer 2023.
  • General Motors, in partnership with FLO, has announced a collaborative effort with dealers to install up to 40,000 public Level 2 EV chargers in local communities by 2026 through GM’s Dealer Community Charging Program. The new charging stations will join the GM’s Ultium Charge 360 network, and will be available to all EV drivers.
  • Francis Energy, a Tulsa, Oklahoma-based EV charge point operator, is expanding into 40 states in 2023, with plans to install 50,000 EV charging ports by 2030 in partnership with municipalities, auto dealers, Tribal Nations, and private businesses. Currently 75% of Francis Energy’s network is in Justice40 communities.
  • Forum Mobility, a zero-emission trucking solutions provider, recently announced a $400 million commitment to deploy over 1,000 DC fast-chargers. The charging infrastructure will serve the thousands of heavy-duty electric trucks projected to begin operating at the San Pedro and Oakland ports in California over the next decade. The community charging depots will create over 600 new union jobs in disadvantaged communities while reducing harmful emissions at the ports and along freight corridors.
  • Ford has committed to installing at least one public-facing DC Fast charger with two ports at 1,920 Ford dealerships by January 2024.
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Talk cheap. I’ll point out again that the EA site closest to me has been built out since before I reserved my Lucid. It is still listed as “coming soon.” We will have CarPlay for the Air long before any of these charging station sites are live 🤣
 
Tesla2.0 said:
ACCELERATING THE BUILDOUT OF EV CHARGING NETWORKS

The Biden-Harris Administration’s actions on EVs have spurred network operators to accelerate the buildout of coast-to-coast EV charging networks. Public dollars will supplement private investment by filling gaps, serving rural and hard to reach locations, and building capacity in communities. Announcements being spotlighted today will add more than 100,000 public chargers available for all EVs, and include:

  • Tesla, for the first time, will open a portion of its U.S. Supercharger and Destination Charger network to non-Tesla EVs, making at least 7,500 chargers available for all EVs by the end of 2024. The open chargers will be distributed across the United States. They will include at least 3,500 new and existing 250 kW Superchargers along highway corridors to expand freedom of travel for all EVs, and Level 2 Destination Charging at locations like hotels and restaurants in urban and rural locations. All EV drivers will be able to access these stations using the Tesla app or website. Additionally, Tesla will more than double its full nationwide network of Superchargers, manufactured in Buffalo, New York.
  • Hertz and bp are announcing their intention to build out a national network of EV fast charging infrastructure to accelerate the adoption of electric vehicles. Hertz and bp intend to bring charging infrastructure to Hertz locations across America, including major cities such as Atlanta, Austin, Boston, Chicago, Denver, Houston, Miami, New York City, Orlando, Phoenix, San Francisco, and Washington, DC. The charging hubs will serve rideshare and taxi drivers, car rental customers and the general public at high-demand locations, such as airports. A number of installations are expected to include large-scale charging hubs, known as “gigahubs.” bp aims to invest $1 billion in EV charging in the US by 2030. Hertz’s objective is to make one-quarter of its fleet electric by the end of 2024.
  • Pilot Company, General Motors, and EVgohave partnered to build a coast-to-coast network of 2,000 high power 350 kW fast chargers at Pilot and Flying J travel centers along American highways. The nationwide network of up to 500 travel centers will enable long distance EV travel by connecting urban and rural communities. Today, the companies are announcing that the first 200+ chargers in this network are expected to be available for use by drivers in 2023.
  • TravelCenters of America and Electrify America announced that they will offer electric vehicle charging at select Travel Centers of America and Petro locations, with a goal of installing approximately 1,000 EV chargers at 200 locations along major highways over the next five years.
  • Electrify America recently held the official groundbreaking of Electrify America Solar Glow™ 1, the new 75 MW solar PV project in San Bernardino County, CA to help back all energy delivered to EV drivers with renewable energy across more than 800 DC fast charging stations nationwide.
  • Mercedes-Benz, ChargePoint, and MN8 Energy announced a partnership to deploy over 400 charging hubs with more than 2,500 publicly accessible DC fast charging ports across the U.S. and Canada.
  • ChargePoint, Volvo Cars, and Starbucksannounced a partnership to deploy 60 DC fast chargers at up to 15 locations along the 1,350-mile pilot route between Seattle and Denver to be completed by summer 2023.
  • General Motors, in partnership with FLO, has announced a collaborative effort with dealers to install up to 40,000 public Level 2 EV chargers in local communities by 2026 through GM’s Dealer Community Charging Program. The new charging stations will join the GM’s Ultium Charge 360 network, and will be available to all EV drivers.
  • Francis Energy, a Tulsa, Oklahoma-based EV charge point operator, is expanding into 40 states in 2023, with plans to install 50,000 EV charging ports by 2030 in partnership with municipalities, auto dealers, Tribal Nations, and private businesses. Currently 75% of Francis Energy’s network is in Justice40 communities.
  • Forum Mobility, a zero-emission trucking solutions provider, recently announced a $400 million commitment to deploy over 1,000 DC fast-chargers. The charging infrastructure will serve the thousands of heavy-duty electric trucks projected to begin operating at the San Pedro and Oakland ports in California over the next decade. The community charging depots will create over 600 new union jobs in disadvantaged communities while reducing harmful emissions at the ports and along freight corridors.
  • Ford has committed to installing at least one public-facing DC Fast charger with two ports at 1,920 Ford dealerships by January 2024.
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I hope there's some requirement in the legislative bill for Tesla to implement meaningful modifications so that EV owners can actually use their charging station in a customary way. To take up 2 parking spaces or having to contort your EV to be able to plug in is not the customary way.
Part of me is concerned that taxpayers' money is such an attractive target and regulatory provisions may or may not have been well thought out, vis-a-vis EA's spotty performance.
 
MoniputerLM said:
electrek.co

First Tesla Supercharger with ‘Magic Dock’ for non-Tesla electric cars spotted in the US

The first Tesla Supercharger station with a “Magic Dock” to allow non-Tesla electric cars to charge has been spotted in...
electrek.co electrek.co
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Non-Tesla Supercharger location finder:​

www.tesla.com

Non-Tesla Supercharger Pilot | Tesla Support

Launched in November 2021, our Non-Tesla Supercharger pilot will continue to expand to new sites and countries in support of our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy.
www.tesla.com www.tesla.com
 
I am shocked how most everyone here think this general use of Tesla SCs by all will be easy and seamless and solve all the problems of the world. SCs work spot on NOW,after years, for the same reason iphones work: it's a closed system. And it almost bankrupted Mullusk.

This will be fun: 10 or 20 competing for profit charger services in the US: Tesla, EA, CP, EVgo, Ford, MB, Rivian, the new 7 car alliance. MB will at least serve coffee and pastries.

Wait for it!! And soon to be announced: @DeaneG & @Worldwide Beagles' PUMP YOU UP. BEV Charging, Dog Wash and Taqoria!! A half hour charge is the perfect time for a quick dog wash while you wait. AND, with every 10 KWH, you get a free taco! @borski will be CEO and do the franchising. And Lucid is going to do a stealth social media campaign just like they do now for our cars: it's not going to tell anyone anything about it.

What will non Tesla charging cost? Not cheap. Follow the money. Tesla says:

Pricing for non-Tesla drivers reflects additional costs incurred to support charging a broad range of vehicles and adjustments to our sites to accommodate these vehicles
 
So..I can get 11.8 tacos charging from 0-100%? Sign me up!
Worldwide Beagle said:
I am shocked how most everyone here think this general use of Tesla SCs by all will be easy and seamless and solve all the problems of the world. SCs work spot on NOW,after years, for the same reason iphones work: it's a closed system. And it almost bankrupted Mullusk.

This will be fun: 10 or 20 competing for profit charger services in the US: Tesla, EA, CP, EVgo, Ford, MB, Rivian, the new 7 car alliance. MB will at least serve coffee and pastries.

Wait for it!! And soon to be announced: @DeaneG & @Worldwide Beagles' PUMP YOU UP. BEV Charging, Dog Wash and Taqoria!! A half hour charge is the perfect time for a quick dog wash while you wait. AND, with every 10 KWH, you get a free taco! @borski will be CEO and do the franchising. And Lucid is going to do a stealth social media campaign just like they do now for our cars: it's not going to tell anyone anything about it.

What will non Tesla charging cost? Not cheap. Follow the money. Tesla says:

Pricing for non-Tesla drivers reflects additional costs incurred to support charging a broad range of vehicles and adjustments to our sites to accommodate these vehicles
Click to expand...
 
Locking this thread. It’s way beyond its usefulness.
 
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