Dream Edition aiyoooo!

šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø I called my SA and asked him to swap it. Took zero effort from my part, cost me nothing extra, and I got an order modification email.
I did same (after ordering using the link in the invitation email). They said they canceled my GT order, but Iā€™m still seeing two Gravity configs in my account under ā€œOrderedā€.
 
I did same (after ordering using the link in the invitation email). They said they canceled my GT order, but Iā€™m still seeing two Gravity configs in my account under ā€œOrderedā€.

Hmmm. Within a few minutes of my SA saying he had canceled my GT order, my Lucid account showed a red banner over that order saying "Cancellation Requested". The next day it switched to "Order Canceled".
 
I just got a response from my SA about that clause in the Gravity Sales Agreement that read, "Lucid does not provide a warranty for any repairs after sale for used vehicles."

He wrote:

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It appears the Gravity warranty will be pretty much the same as the Air warranty. Whether he is right that the Gravity warranty will be transferrable will have to wait for confirmation when the actual language shows up.

His remark that "additional warranties are not currently provided on used vehicles" raises the question of whether Lucid is now offering extended warranties on new cars. I've not heard that, but I wrote back asking him. Has anyone here obtained an extended warranty from Lucid on their Air?

If that clause in the Sales Agreement is meant to inform that no extended warranty is available for used cars, then it is ambiguously written as I first wondered. It would be clearer to say, "Lucid does not provide a warranty after sale for any repairs on used vehicles." Or even more clearly, "Lucid does not provide an extended warranty for used vehicles."
 
I just got a response from my SA about that clause in the Gravity Sales Agreement that read, "Lucid does not provide a warranty for any repairs after sale for used vehicles."

He wrote:

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It appears the Gravity warranty will be pretty much the same as the Air warranty. Whether he is right that the Gravity warranty will be transferrable will have to wait for confirmation when the actual language shows up.

His remark that "additional warranties are not currently provided on used vehicles" raises the question of whether Lucid is now offering extended warranties on new cars. I've not heard that, but I wrote back asking him. Has anyone here obtained an extended warranty from Lucid on their Air?

If that clause in the Sales Agreement is meant to inform that no extended warranty is available for used cars, then it is ambiguously written as I first wondered. It would be clearer to say, "Lucid does not provide a warranty after sale for any repairs on used vehicles." Or even more clearly, "Lucid does not provide an extended warranty for used vehicles."
Iā€™m confused by this. So if I sell the vehicle after one or two years, that means the warranty will continue on to the other owner? I donā€™t understand why they would exclude used owners under the limited warranty, no other auto maker does that as far as I know. That will really hurt resell if thatā€™s the case.
 
Iā€™m confused by this. So if I sell the vehicle after one or two years, that means the warranty will continue on to the other owner? I donā€™t understand why they would exclude used owners under the limited warranty, no other auto maker does that as far as I know. That will really hurt resell if thatā€™s the case.

Yes, it is confusing.

My SA is suggesting that this new clause in the Gravity Sales Agreements has something to do with extended warranties (although Lucid doesn't currently offer those on any models), and that the standard limited warranty that comes will all new Lucids will be transferable to subsequent buyers during the original warranty period just as it is with the Air.

It's a confusingly-written clause, though, and we won't know for sure until we see the actual warranty on the Gravity. At this point I'm guessing the original Gravity warranty will be transferrable.
 
Iā€™ve been told that the DE has the rear motor of the GT in both front and back. The GT has a different motor for the front, somewhat less powerful. I am not a power electronics or motors guy, so thatā€™s as far as my knowledge goes there at the moment.
Just for fun- pulling this thread we can speculate. This is likely to prove wrong in time, but itā€™s interesting anyway. A 1070 hp Gravity with two identical motors would work out to 535 hp each. Given that the GT makes 828 that suggests the front GT motor makes 293 hp, giving the GT a 35.4% front/ 64.6% rear power split. Of course without knowing the gearing we can only speculate what the torque split is, and thatā€™s the important number for traction.

Next: the Gravityā€™s GTā€™s 3.4 second 0-60 sprint requires a constant acceleration of roughly 0.8 Gs. If we assume a 50/50 weight distribution and a CG height of 550mm (just a guess, 30mm less than that reported for the Model X which is itself speculation) the 0.8 Gs of acceleration would transfer 14.5% of vehicle mass to the rear, making an ideal torque split for equal traction at all four corners 35.5% front, 64.5% rear. The fact that this is virtually identical to the power split listed above seems more than coincidental.

Weights have not been released, but in order to achieve 0.8 Gs of acceleration a 5750 lb Gravity (with driver) would need a constant 4600 lbs of combined thrust at the contact patch. With equal front to rear gearing we can estimate this as 1628 lbs of forward thrust coming from the front axle and another 2972 lbs at the rear.

For comparison the Lucid Air Sapphire hits 60 in 1.9 seconds, requiring a constant acceleration of a ridiculous 1.44 Gs (likely less than this due to roll-out, but close) and, at an assumed 5400 lbs with driver, a combined 7776 lbs of forward thrust at all four wheels. It also proves that Lucid is able to put 1.44 Gs worth of thrust to the ground.

If Lucid has in fact used the same rear motor with the same gear ratio in the front of the Gravity it will likely put roughly equal thrust to the ground due to similar diameter front tires (assumed pending specs). Thus the combined thrust of the Dream would be 2972 lbs at the rear and another 2972 lbs at the front for a total of 5944 lbs. Assuming a slightly heavier 5850 lb weight with driver (mostly options, not the motor weight) this will result in a potential acceleration of 1.02 Gs. This would transfer 18.5% of the weight from the front to the rear axle using the assumptions above, resulting in 1843 lbs on the front axle. 2972 lbs of of forward thrust with just 1873 lbs over the axle would be the equivalent of 1.61 Gs, so more thrust to weight than the Sapphire- I suspect the car couldnā€™t put the full down, and will either be traction control limited or geared differently at the front.

If we re-calculate acceleration based on what thrust the front wheels can likely sustain we get thrust in the 2750 to 2800 lb range for the front axle resulting in roughly 5750 lbs thrust total, for a potential sustained acceleration of .98 Gs. This equates to a 0-60 time of 2.8 seconds in ideal conditions. In a perfect world Lucid would re-gear the front motor slightly to reduce peak torque to the wheels but hold it longer, resulting in the same 0-60 but slightly better mid-range.

Soā€¦ 2.8 seconds to 60 is my guess for the Gravity Dream. Thatā€™s a bigger gap to the GT than Iā€™d expected if Iā€™m honest.
 
Talked to a sales rep today. The dream does come with everything including a tow package. Interiors are limited to Yosemite or Tahoe ( I had picked Ojai ) but the price is 139k or about 18 k over my spec. Better than the difference between the Air Dream to Air GT differential but then there was a unique interior, color choice, battery chemistry, rims etc. Iā€™m still on the fence about this. There is no official cut off date but it appears to be weeks rather than months according to the rep. Decisions decisions.
 
Just for fun- pulling this thread we can speculate. This is likely to prove wrong in time, but itā€™s interesting anyway. A 1070 hp Gravity with two identical motors would work out to 535 hp each. Given that the GT makes 828 that suggests the front GT motor makes 293 hp, giving the GT a 35.4% front/ 64.6% rear power split. Of course without knowing the gearing we can only speculate what the torque split is, and thatā€™s the important number for traction.

Next: the Gravityā€™s GTā€™s 3.4 second 0-60 sprint requires a constant acceleration of roughly 0.8 Gs. If we assume a 50/50 weight distribution and a CG height of 550mm (just a guess, 30mm less than that reported for the Model X which is itself speculation) the 0.8 Gs of acceleration would transfer 14.5% of vehicle mass to the rear, making an ideal torque split for equal traction at all four corners 35.5% front, 64.5% rear. The fact that this is virtually identical to the power split listed above seems more than coincidental.

Weights have not been released, but in order to achieve 0.8 Gs of acceleration a 5750 lb Gravity (with driver) would need a constant 4600 lbs of combined thrust at the contact patch. With equal front to rear gearing we can estimate this as 1628 lbs of forward thrust coming from the front axle and another 2972 lbs at the rear.

For comparison the Lucid Air Sapphire hits 60 in 1.9 seconds, requiring a constant acceleration of a ridiculous 1.44 Gs (likely less than this due to roll-out, but close) and, at an assumed 5400 lbs with driver, a combined 7776 lbs of forward thrust at all four wheels. It also proves that Lucid is able to put 1.44 Gs worth of thrust to the ground.

If Lucid has in fact used the same rear motor with the same gear ratio in the front of the Gravity it will likely put roughly equal thrust to the ground due to similar diameter front tires (assumed pending specs). Thus the combined thrust of the Dream would be 2972 lbs at the rear and another 2972 lbs at the front for a total of 5944 lbs. Assuming a slightly heavier 5850 lb weight with driver (mostly options, not the motor weight) this will result in a potential acceleration of 1.02 Gs. This would transfer 18.5% of the weight from the front to the rear axle using the assumptions above, resulting in 1843 lbs on the front axle. 2972 lbs of of forward thrust with just 1873 lbs over the axle would be the equivalent of 1.61 Gs, so more thrust to weight than the Sapphire- I suspect the car couldnā€™t put the full down, and will either be traction control limited or geared differently at the front.

If we re-calculate acceleration based on what thrust the front wheels can likely sustain we get thrust in the 2750 to 2800 lb range for the front axle resulting in roughly 5750 lbs thrust total, for a potential sustained acceleration of .98 Gs. This equates to a 0-60 time of 2.8 seconds in ideal conditions. In a perfect world Lucid would re-gear the front motor slightly to reduce peak torque to the wheels but hold it longer, resulting in the same 0-60 but slightly better mid-range.

Soā€¦ 2.8 seconds to 60 is my guess for the Gravity Dream. Thatā€™s a bigger gap to the GT than Iā€™d expected if Iā€™m honest.
there's a good chance Gravity comes in very close or over 6,000lb, before the driver based on everything I read.
 
Owned an early Air GT. Ordered the Gravity (loaded) on day 1. Just converted to the Dream, because, why not.

Would you consider reporting it on the Gravity GE Order Tracker on this forum?
 
I'm hoping that Gravity DE orders open to us plebian GT owners soon, so I can test the restraint of my index finger on the mouse.
 
Original, fully loaded GT was $139k. DE was $169k. Can't say Lucid hasn't made their vehicles more affordable
The Gravity - larger, 7 seats, air suspension, rear wheel steer, updated infotainment, upfdated hardware, heads up display- I think its better value than the Air...still unaffordable to many but better price point for the options.
 
there's a good chance Gravity comes in very close or over 6,000lb, before the driver based on everything I read.
Could well be. If true everything previous scales, the question becomes if the car makes enough power to hold constant acceleration all the way to 60 mph. And that tracks: a 5850 lb car needs about 930 hp at the wheels to accelerate at .98 Gs at 60 mph (the exact number depends on air resistance and rolling friction) so with driveline losses the Dream should make essentially the ideal amount of power needed. Again no accident- it suggests they geared the Gravity to hold constant torque/ thrust to 60 mph, which is pretty standard practice (Model S, etc).
 
I'm already listed for the GT. How would you like me to report the Dream change?

@Joe set up a separate Dream Edition tracker:


Just let him know that you also canceled your GT order, and he will delete it from that tracker.
 
@Joe set up a separate Dream Edition tracker:


Just let him know that you also canceled your GT order, and he will delete it from that tracker.
Done. Even thought it says I current have and AGT, I've already sold it but wanted to represent as a previous owner.
 
Ugh Iā€™m still on the fence. Currently accepting advice. You guys can be šŸ˜‡ or šŸ˜ˆ and influence my decision. Iā€™m expecting more šŸ˜ˆ šŸ˜ˆ than šŸ˜‡ šŸ˜‡.

I think my biggest sticking point is the range loss coupled with a perceived loss of value. I was probably leaning towards pulling all the way back to the smallest rims and theyā€™re not an option on DE. So going from a relatively fully optioned GGT but with small rims, the mileage and price penalties are adding up. (Iā€™d go with the mid wheel on DE but thereā€™s no credit for the $1750 price difference between mid and large, plus the additional $1750 of the mid to add to the DE premium)

Does anyone know why the midrange wheel is exactly the same mileage rating as the largest wheel? Seems a bit odd. Is it possible they just didnā€™t test that one and gave the same rating as the large wheel to be conservative? Iā€™d be more tempted if I thought I was giving up less range vs my preferred configuration.

Iā€™m also a little unsure whether just having a larger front motor is really going to translate to anything Iā€™ll actually notice in 99% of driving.

Finally there is the warranty xferability. Probably not a major concern as I imagine Iā€™ll keep the vehicle for 7+ years, as I have my current car, but itā€™s odd and sticks out kind of as a red flag.
 
Does anyone know why the midrange wheel is exactly the same mileage rating as the largest wheel? Seems a bit odd. Is it possible they just didnā€™t test that one and gave the same rating as the large wheel to be conservative? Iā€™d be more tempted if I thought I was giving up less range vs my preferred configuration.

It may come down to the differences in the tires. I cannot find an efficiency test result for the Michelin Primacy Tour A/S that comes on the Gravity, but Michelin tires generally score pretty low on efficiency despite their great handling characteristics. For example, the Michelin Pilot All Season 4 used 292 watt hours to go one mile compared to the Pirelli P Zero (that comes on the largest Gravity wheels) at 274 watt hours in a Tire Rack test. In fact, it was the least efficient tire of the nine Tire Rack tested in a head-to-head comparison. I have found nothing indicating the Michelin went after the efficiency metric in releasing the Primacy.

Iā€™m also a little unsure whether just having a larger front motor is really going to translate to anything Iā€™ll actually notice in 99% of driving.

It depends on how you drive. Beyond 0-60 times and top speeds which you may seldom or never reach for, significant additional power can appreciably increase the "liveliness" of a vehicle's feel in more mundane driving situations. I have driven an Air GT loaner a few times while my Air Dream Performance was in the shop. The GT is no slouch by any stretch, but there was a bit less of the feeling that you could plant the car instantly anywhere you wanted and less of the sense that the car could always deliver more punch than you asked for. It was sort of the difference between feeling the GT could do what you asked of it, while the Dream Performance was teasing you with reminders that there would always be more available than you asked for.

Our 280-hp Honda Odyssey is a very spry vehicle for its size and weight. In moving from the already quick Gravity GT to the Gravity Dream, you're adding almost the power of an Odyssey without adding any appreciable weight. That's GOT to feel significant in many driving scenarios.

Finally there is the warranty xferability. Probably not a major concern as I imagine Iā€™ll keep the vehicle for 7+ years, as I have my current car, but itā€™s odd and sticks out kind of as a red flag.

As I posted earlier, my sales advisor is telling me that the Gravity will almost certainly come with a transferable warranty. He says the clause in the Sales Agreement about used cars is probably aimed at additional warranties (such as extended warranties) should Lucid later make them available. However, we won't know for sure until the actual Gravity warranty becomes available.
 
Ugh Iā€™m still on the fence. Currently accepting advice. You guys can be šŸ˜‡ or šŸ˜ˆ and influence my decision. Iā€™m expecting more šŸ˜ˆ šŸ˜ˆ than šŸ˜‡ šŸ˜‡.

I think my biggest sticking point is the range loss coupled with a perceived loss of value. I was probably leaning towards pulling all the way back to the smallest rims and theyā€™re not an option on DE. So going from a relatively fully optioned GGT but with small rims, the mileage and price penalties are adding up. (Iā€™d go with the mid wheel on DE but thereā€™s no credit for the $1750 price difference between mid and large, plus the additional $1750 of the mid to add to the DE premium)

Does anyone know why the midrange wheel is exactly the same mileage rating as the largest wheel? Seems a bit odd. Is it possible they just didnā€™t test that one and gave the same rating as the large wheel to be conservative? Iā€™d be more tempted if I thought I was giving up less range vs my preferred configuration.

Iā€™m also a little unsure whether just having a larger front motor is really going to translate to anything Iā€™ll actually notice in 99% of driving.

Finally there is the warranty xferability. Probably not a major concern as I imagine Iā€™ll keep the vehicle for 7+ years, as I have my current car, but itā€™s odd and sticks out kind of as a red flag.
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This is Day 5 since Lucid opened limited orders for the Gravity Dream. As far as I can tell there is no mention from the auto press of the Dream Edition on YouTube or anywhere else. The only mention other than on Lucid forums that I have found has been on Reddit. And it's still not mentioned on the Lucid website or order configurator unless you log in to your personal Lucid account. For instance, under "Explore Gravity" on the website, it still shows the horsepower as "up to 828".

What might be the reason that Lucid seems to be keeping the Dream Edition under such tight wraps?

During the earnings call one of the presenters (Winterhoff maybe?) noted that Lucid had done very little marketing but added that we would shortly be seeing a significant increase in marketing effort.
 
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