Dream Edition aiyoooo!

[WeighingGravity]

Okay so I have to ask all those who have ordered the Dream Edition, why is it that ALL of you have chosen green with Tahoe interior? Perhaps it is due to our genetic hatred of the color orange, but my entire family has a knee-jerk reaction to the Tahoe that is not positive lol. I even drove back down to the showroom yesterday to look at it again in person to see if I was just misremembering my reaction to it. I definitely get that it's worth more than their only other option and it's essentially throwing away money to order the white Purluxe on the DE (and thus why I'm still here debating about the upgrade), but is there some other reason for the attraction to Tahoe? (and the Tahoe/green exterior combo)? I know lots of high end luxury cars are doing a similar shade in their cars. That it? Or is it just my family as an outlier in their love for this shade (surely possible lol)?

Obviously taste is personal But for me, a tan leather interior is the most classic of all car interiors, ever. I love the Tahoe. All the other Gravity colors are mostly boring (black) or not my cuppa at all (white) or UGH (Ojai). I know the Ojai is popular but to me it just looks like ugly putty. Nasty.

 

[PhotoEye]

Looks like a great deal! If I recall correctly the Air Dream Edition was far more than $14k over an equivalent GT right?

Yep, $30k

 

[hmp10]

Obviously taste is personal But for me, a tan leather interior is the most classic of all car interiors, ever. I love the Tahoe. All the other Gravity colors are mostly boring (black) or not my cuppa at all (white) or UGH (Ojai). I know the Ojai is popular but to me it just looks like ugly putty. Nasty.

I, too, really like a true tan interior. My issue is that the Tahoe has more the orange hue of a baseball glove than the classic tan of a saddle. (Life is full of ironies. In my youth, I thought the orange and green school colors of our cross-town high school rival were hideous together. Now in my dotage, I'll be staring at it again in our car by virtue of a choice I made.)

I agree that the Ojai has a bit of a muddy look when seen in person. Although I selected that with the Aurora Green for my original GT order, those two colors did not really work together. It's one of the reasons I was going to switch to the Lunar Titanium if it became available by delivery time, as it worked much better with the Ojai, which was the best of a sorta "meh" roster of interior choices in my view.

Part of my issue is that I am still grieving that the Gravity Dream will not offer the light beige of the Santa Monica interior in our Air Dream. After over three years of living with it, it remains the most beautiful interior palette I've ever seen in a car. And, although not having young kids but regularly transporting adults in the rear, it still looks pristine -- even the light-beige carpets after a quick cleaning.

 

[momo3605]

Why no 20/21" wheel option?

Usually has to do with bigger brakes with other OEMs when they make a high performance versions of a car.

 

[hmp10]

Usually has to do with bigger brakes with other OEMs when they make a high performance versions of a car.

Righto. I should have included that on my list of questions about differences between the GT and DE.

 

[MeganT]

I have also found the Tahoe a bit too orange for my taste ever since first seeing it on a prototype Air back in 2020. I've seen an Aurora Green Gravity with the Yosemite interior at the Miami Worldcenter studio. I love the light beige of our Air Santa Monica interior and was thinking I might go with the Yosemite in the Gravity. But when I actually saw it in Miami, I found that it had a too-white chalkiness that I didn't like at all. So when the GT orders opened up I chose the Ojai interior.

For the Gravity Dream order, I ended up choosing the Tahoe as the interior color only because I disliked it less than the Yosemite.

But what did you mean by "throwing money away" on the Purluxe? If it's a concern about durability or upkeep, I don't think you have to worry. Kyle Conner of "Out of Spec Motoring" and others have found that these new synthetic leathers resist stains and clean superbly -- considerably better than real leather. I bought a set of home theater seats over seven years ago and opted for the higher-cost synthetic leather over the Nappa leather. After years of daily use they still look brand new. The material is supple, is neither hot nor cold to the touch, cleans easily, and is missing only the blemishes that give real leather its character.

Oh, I meant that if you were building a Gravity GT and picking your interior Purluxe/Leather option that the Leather is quite a bit more expensive than the Premium Purluxe. So, in essence, if you pick the Purluxe for the DE, you'd be throwing away that extra money since it's not like they give you a credit for the lower cost material. Good to know about the too-white chalkiness of the Yosemite (I've only seen the small sample). The worst decisions are always between multiple imperfect options. It's too bad they didn't offer the Ojai as an option (and some other exterior colors) for the DE .

 

[bryway]

I, too, really like a true tan interior. My issue is that the Tahoe has more the orange hue of a baseball glove than the classic tan of a saddle. (Life is full of ironies. In my youth, I thought the orange and green school colors of our cross-town high school rival were hideous together. Now in my dotage, I'll be staring at it again in our car by virtue of a choice I made.)

I agree that the Ojai has a bit of a muddy look when seen in person. Although I selected that with the Aurora Green for my original GT order, those two colors did not really work together. It's one of the reasons I was going to switch to the Lunar Titanium if it became available by delivery time, as it worked much better with the Ojai, which was the best of a sorta "meh" roster of interior choices in my view.

Part of my issue is that I am still grieving that the Gravity Dream will not offer the light beige of the Santa Monica interior in our Air Dream. After over three years of living with it, it remains the most beautiful interior palette I've ever seen in a car. And, although not having young kids but regularly transporting adults in the rear, it still looks pristine -- even the light-beige carpets after a quick cleaning.

I, too, originally went with Ojai for the Gravity GT order I placed in November, largely because I thought Tahoe was just a little too bright. Like you, I am prioritizing HP over niggles around interior finish, but do wish there were a couple more options from which to choose.

Having said that, I have a wild theory that the limitation in wheel size, exterior colors and interior finishes for the Dream Edition weren’t based on study informed by months of internal debate in the design halls of Lucid. Wondering if this is as simple as early supplier issues. Can’t ramp with all configs ordered, so narrow the field a bit with a prix fixe configuration, sweeten the pot with options (including more capable motors), goose the price (which naturally narrows the delivery field) call it Dream Edition and press “go” on serial manufacturing. They get to slowly ramp with a somewhat consistent config SKU, get cars in the hands of enthusiastic buyers more quickly, then gradually increase production as the supply chain normalizes

 

[hmp10]

I just got this email from Lucid:

I've said it a hundred times. I absolutely love the Lucid products, but their internal communications suck big time -- outside of the engineering groups, which seem to stay in much better coordination. Not only did my delivery advisor not know Dream orders had opened up until I called him with a question, but now it seems that the marketing people in corporate aren't aware that you have to cancel a GT order when you want to switch to a Dream order. Or maybe they, too, weren't even aware Dream orders opened up three days ago?

 

[DrZorro]

I just got this email from Lucid:

View attachment 26935

I've said it a hundred times. I absolutely love the Lucid products, but their internal communications suck big time -- outside of the engineering groups, which seem to stay in much better coordination. Not only did my delivery advisor not know Dream orders had opened up until I called him with a question, but now it seems that the marketing people in corporate aren't aware that you have to cancel a GT order when you want to switch to a Dream order. Or maybe they, too, weren't even aware Dream orders opened up three days ago?

I definitely think you need to complete the survey!

 

[flarbear]

For the same spec GT, 14.4 k

It varies from $14.4k to around $18.45k depending on the options you choose. All options are free on the DE, but cost varying amounts of money on the GT. The minimum spec that mirrors a DE is $121.45k, the max spec is $125.5k. (Please check my math, I may have missed an option.)

 

[borski]

I just got this email from Lucid:

View attachment 26935

I've said it a hundred times. I absolutely love the Lucid products, but their internal communications suck big time -- outside of the engineering groups, which seem to stay in much better coordination. Not only did my delivery advisor not know Dream orders had opened up until I called him with a question, but now it seems that the marketing people in corporate aren't aware that you have to cancel a GT order when you want to switch to a Dream order. Or maybe they, too, weren't even aware Dream orders opened up three days ago?

I called my SA and asked him to swap it. Took zero effort from my part, cost me nothing extra, and I got an order modification email.

 

[dhruv]

There are a lot of misconceptions around this stuff, part of the reason I sometimes feel the need to jump in to offer corrections.

The engineer’s note above about the larger rear calipers is spot on: it indicates less forward weight transfer under braking for the same reasons (low CG height and long wheelbase) that less weight will transfer rearward under acceleration. But again that’s largely independent of anti-dive suspension geometry in the front, which is largely there to prevent nose-dive with geometry, allowing the car to run softer springs for a given amount of platform control.

Full disclosure I am an engineer and once upon a time wrote about cars semi-professionally, so while you will find online references to anti-squat working the way you’re thinking I’m happy to argue with them. Also happy to expand further, this is stuff I used to geek out on.

Thanks for the explanation, does this mean purchasing the 20/21s separately on the dream edition may not be an option?

 

[hmp10]

I called my SA and asked him to swap it. Took zero effort from my part, cost me nothing extra, and I got an order modification email.

I put the Dream order in myself, but the only way to cancel the GT order was by calling my delivery advisor to do it.

Didn't you have to re-upload photos of the front and back of drivers licenses, though? Mine didn't transfer over from the GT order.

It didn't really seem as if the order configurator was set up to manage switching GT orders to Dream orders. And you didn't get the same email asking why the GT order got canceled?

 

[msaunders9430]

I called my SA and asked him to swap it. Took zero effort from my part, cost me nothing extra, and I got an order modification email.

The varying experiences with the SAs is unfortunate.

Swap vs. cancel. I wonder if some SAs have more knowledge and/or experience in using the Lucid systems than others. An SA who knows how to donate swap does it if asked,while another who doesn't know how to do or isn't even aware of the possibility of a swap says, you have to cancel.

Could even be personality differences. The first SA I encountered had a negative attitude combined with limited knowledge. I switched and the experience has been totally different.

 

[hmp10]

An SA who knows how to donate swap does it if asked, while another who doesn't know how to do or isn't even aware of the possibility of a swap says, you have to cancel.

I don't know that my SA didn't know how to do a swap. The issue was that the system didn't allow a swap, so I added a Dream order myself only to find out that I could not cancel the GT order. So all I asked my SA to do was cancel the GT order, which he was able to do with no problem.

 

[PetevB]

Thanks for the explanation, does this mean purchasing the 20/21s separately on the dream edition may not be an option?

I have no special insight here, but as others have said as long as they haven’t increased brake rotor /caliper size (and I highly doubt they have to that extent) the 20s and 21s should work just fine.

 

[dhruv]

I have no special insight here, but as others have said as long as they haven’t increased brake rotor /caliper size (and I highly doubt they have to that extent) the 20s and 21s should work just fine.

Makes sense, thanks!

I just called a LUCID Service center and spoke to them and he said the exact same thing!
He also said they are expecting to get Gravity specifications in mid march

 

[tonybot]

I, too, originally went with Ojai for the Gravity GT order I placed in November, largely because I thought Tahoe was just a little too bright. Like you, I am prioritizing HP over niggles around interior finish, but do wish there were a couple more options from which to choose.

Having said that, I have a wild theory that the limitation in wheel size, exterior colors and interior finishes for the Dream Edition weren’t based on study informed by months of internal debate in the design halls of Lucid. Wondering if this is as simple as early supplier issues. Can’t ramp with all configs ordered, so narrow the field a bit with a prix fixe configuration, sweeten the pot with options (including more capable motors), goose the price (which naturally narrows the delivery field) call it Dream Edition and press “go” on serial manufacturing. They get to slowly ramp with a somewhat consistent config SKU, get cars in the hands of enthusiastic buyers more quickly, then gradually increase production as the supply chain normalizes

Not a wild theory in my opinion. It actually makes sense.

 

[hmp10]

I, too, originally went with Ojai for the Gravity GT order I placed in November, largely because I thought Tahoe was just a little too bright. Like you, I am prioritizing HP over niggles around interior finish, but do wish there were a couple more options from which to choose.

Having said that, I have a wild theory that the limitation in wheel size, exterior colors and interior finishes for the Dream Edition weren’t based on study informed by months of internal debate in the design halls of Lucid. Wondering if this is as simple as early supplier issues. Can’t ramp with all configs ordered, so narrow the field a bit with a prix fixe configuration, sweeten the pot with options (including more capable motors), goose the price (which naturally narrows the delivery field) call it Dream Edition and press “go” on serial manufacturing. They get to slowly ramp with a somewhat consistent config SKU, get cars in the hands of enthusiastic buyers more quickly, then gradually increase production as the supply chain normalizes

I tend to think it's serendipity for Lucid that the Dream introduction gives them some air cover for a slower ramp than perhaps originally planned. However, based on a conversation I had several months ago with someone from Lucid corporate product planning, I think the Dream Gravity has been in the works for some time and is not the result of any recent circumstances.

I still agree with @borski that Lucid just decided they didn't want the early press articles to be more about a $140K price tag than about the car itself. It was bad enough in the press with an options list that reached into the 120's. That lingered as the dominant theme in much coverage until the test drive reports finally came in with raves about the Gravity's capabilities.

 

[borski]

I put the Dream order in myself, but the only way to cancel the GT order was by calling my delivery advisor to do it.

Didn't you have to re-upload photos of the front and back of drivers licenses, though? Mine didn't transfer over from the GT order.

It didn't really seem as if the order configurator was set up to manage switching GT orders to Dream orders. And you didn't get the same email asking why the GT order got canceled?

My experience was precisely as I described above. I didn’t miss a step, lol