Dream Edition aiyoooo!

[HC_79]

Also for the Gravity GT is says "EPA estimated Range" vs Gravity DE it says "Manufacturer estimated range"

Any concerns here? How accurate / honest has lucid been in predicting real world range?

It will be because it hasn’t been officially certified by the EPA for DE. To Lucid’s credit though, they’re been pretty close on their estimates before getting the numbers officially EPA certified.

Also, EPA is not real world range, should always be treated as a guide only.

 

[flarbear]

"This new wheel size enhances the manufacturer estimated range of the Lucid Gravity Dream Edition of up to 410 miles per charge,(1) allowing your dream to be within reach with fewer charging stops."

"1 -- Manufacturer’s projected estimate for Lucid Gravity Dream Edition when equipped with 20”F/21”R wheels and configured as 2-row, 5-seat vehicle. Actual range will be dependent on many factors, including battery age, driving habits, charging habits, temperatures, accessory use, and other factors as will be described in the owner’s manual."

Wow that's a strange thing to say, because we know the Gravity Dream Edition only has the 7 seater option, guess it will drop a bit closer to 390 now?

And yet this is the number they show in the configurator when it clearly has the 7 seats selected.

The DE with the larger wheels only differs from the same configuration of GT by 16 miles. So it reduces the range of 20"/7 seat by 27 miles and 22"/7 seat by 16 miles according to the configurator.

 

[borski]

And yet this is the number they show in the configurator when it clearly has the 7 seats selected.

The DE with the larger wheels only differs from the same configuration of GT by 16 miles. So it reduces the range of 20"/7 seat by 27 miles and 22"/7 seat by 16 miles according to the configurator.

This was a typo. @marqie clarified on another thread this should have said 7-seats, not 5.

 

[dhruv]

This was a typo. @marqie clarified on another thread this should have said 7-seats, not 5.

i can’t seem to find the thread

 

[037]

i can’t seem to find the thread

 

[dhruv]

Thank you all, I placed the order for dream edition and then felt very bad I didn’t read that because the configuration is 7 seat only and that also showed 410 miles

 

[hmp10]

WARNING: This is another of my tedious posts about Gravity tire choices. Proceed at your own risk.


On the Pirelli website I found that they make a P Zero (PZ4) tire in their "ELECT" EV series that will fit the 21/22" midsize wheel package. Moreover, the tire is available with the "Seal Inside" feature that keeps the tire from losing pressure should the tread be punctured by a nail or screw (which they say is about 85% of tire punctures).

However, these tires are in the "Marked" series of Pirelli tires, meaning they were engineered in cooperation with specific automakers (such as with the Pirelli/Lucid LM1 and LM2 tires). In this case, the front tire is marked "NIO" and the rear is "BMW".

Tire Rack does not show the P Zero summer tire as available for the mid-size Gravity wheel package, nor do they stock the NIO and BMW tires. However, I called them and confirmed those tires would be suitable for the Gravity, as they have the load (XL) and speed (Y) ratings required for the Gravity. (By the way, the Gravity specs are now loaded into the Tire Rack database.)

The Tire Rack sales rep is having their purchasing department contact Pirelli to see if they can special order those tires, and he will get back to me when he finds out.

Several reviewers, including Kyle Conner, thought the mid-size wheels might be the "sweet spot" between handling and ride/impact considerations. So, if I can actually procure the Pirelli P Zeros for those wheels, I'm seriously thinking about switching my DE order to those wheels.

As I've had to replace several punctured tires due to the constant construction in our area, the "Seal Inside" feature -- which is not included in the Pirellis that come on the largest Gravity wheels -- is a huge attractor for me. Also, as a punctured tire can be driven normally and indefinitely when it seals, it reduces the risk of being stranded on a road trip while waiting to order a tire for those big wheels, as almost no tire shop would keep them in stock.

 

[037]

WARNING: This is another of my tedious posts about Gravity tire choices. Proceed at your own risk.


On the Pirelli website I found that they make a P Zero (PZ4) tire in their "ELECT" EV series that will fit the 21/22" midsize wheel package. Moreover, the tire is available with the "Seal Inside" feature that keeps the tire from losing pressure should the tread be punctured by a nail or screw (which they say is about 85% of tire punctures).

However, these tires are in the "Marked" series of Pirelli tires, meaning they were engineered in cooperation with specific automakers (such as with the Pirelli/Lucid LM1 and LM2 tires). In this case, the front tire is marked "NIO" and the rear is "BMW".

Tire Rack does not show the P Zero summer tire as available for the mid-size Gravity wheel package, nor do they stock the NIO and BMW tires. However, I called them and confirmed those tires would be suitable for the Gravity, as they have the load (XL) and speed (Y) ratings required for the Gravity. (By the way, the Gravity specs are now loaded into the Tire Rack database.)

The Tire Rack sales rep is having their purchasing department contact Pirelli to see if they can special order those tires, and he will get back to me when he finds out.

Several reviewers, including Kyle Conner, thought the mid-size wheels might be the "sweet spot" between handling and ride/impact considerations. So, if I can actually procure the Pirelli P Zeros for those wheels, I'm seriously thinking about switching my DE order to those wheels.

As I've had to replace several punctured tires due to the constant construction in our area, the "Seal Inside" feature -- which is not included in the Pirellis that come on the largest Gravity wheels -- is a huge attractor for me. Also, as a punctured tire can be driven normally and indefinitely when it seals, it reduces the risk of being stranded on a road trip while waiting to order a tire for those big wheels, as almost no tire shop would keep them in stock.

FYI, PZ5s now available for 22/23 on TR

 

[hmp10]

FYI, PZ5s now available for 22/23 on TR

Actually, Tire Rack shows them as "temporarily unavailable".

This comes up when I search TR by vehicle:

And when I search by tire sizes instead of by vehicle, only two tires come up in the staggered sizes for the Lucid: the Pirelli Scorpion Zero All Season and the Pirelli P Zero (PZ4).

In any case, it does not show they have the "Seal Inside" feature, which alone is a big enough selling feature to induce me to switch my DE order to the mid-size wheels. I don't know why, but most of the Pirelli tires don't yet offer this feature.

 

[037]

This comes up when I search TR by vehicle:

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And when I search by tire sizes instead of by vehicle, only two tires come up in the staggered sizes for the Lucid: the Pirelli Scorpion Zero All Season and the Pirelli P Zero (PZ4).

I don't know why the PZ5 does not come up in my Tire Rack search. Maybe this tire is not yet on the market, as it shows "temporarily unavailable" for both sizes?

In any case, it does not show they have the "Seal Inside" feature, which alone is a big enough selling feature to induce me to switch my DE order to the mid-size wheels. I don't know why, but most of the Pirelli tires don't yet offer this feature.

Try new product filter

 

[hmp10]

Try new product filter.

I'd only bother with switching tires on the largest wheels in order to get the "Seal Inside" feature.

Besides, the new product filter is grayed out when I log in to Tire Rack:

 

[037]

I'd only bother with switching tires on the largest wheels in order to get the "Seal Inside" feature.

Besides, the new product filter is grayed out when I log in to Tire Rack:

View attachment 27087

I can’t find them any more either, if I didn’t have screenshots I would assume I was hallucinating…

 

[hmp10]

The Pirelli website is also not showing a PZ5 in their EV series:

Nor does a google search produce any hits.

 

[037]

The Pirelli website is also not showing a PZ5 in their EV series:

View attachment 27088

Nor does a google search produce any hits.

Well, the secret is out and it’s been shot at the screen…internet data doesn’t just disappear.

 

[hmp10]

One of my worries about the largest Gravity wheels is what happens if a tire is damaged on a road trip. Those tire sizes, especially the 23-inchers, are vanishingly rare, and it is highly unlikely that any would be in stock locally wherever you may be caught flat. A replacement tire would almost certainly have to be ordered. (Every time I've had to replace an Air 21" tire, even in our highly-populated area, the tire has had to be ordered.)

This new Pirelli "Seal Inside" feature might be a lot more important for Gravity road-tripping than we are yet realizing . . . especially as it allows driving at normal speeds indefinitely.

 

[DeaneG]

One of my worries about the largest Gravity wheels is what happens if a tire is damaged on a road trip. Those tire sizes, especially the 23-inchers, are vanishingly rare, and it is highly unlikely that any would be in stock locally wherever you may be caught flat. A replacement tire would almost certainly have to be ordered. (Every time I've had to replace an Air 21" tire, even in our highly-populated area, the tire has had to be ordered.)

This new Pirelli "Seal Inside" feature might be a lot more important for Gravity road-tripping than we are yet realizing . . . especially as it allows driving at normal speeds indefinitely.

My thought was to buy an extra wheel/tire for the Gravity from Lucid and just throw it in the back when we go on a road trip. I suppose this would be an extra front tire, so they'd be mismatched if the problem was on a back tire. But better than a skinny spare.

 

[hmp10]

My thought was to buy an extra wheel/tire for the Gravity from Lucid and just throw it in the back when we go on a road trip. I suppose this would be an extra front tire, so they'd be mismatched if the problem was on a back tire. But better than a skinny spare.

The front and rear tires have slightly different rolling diameters even with the different sidewall heights mostly compensating for the different wheel diameters, so I don't know what the situation would be with the differential inside the motor handling two different rolling diameters on one axle. Since the car is still drivable on a low-pressure or even a flat tire, I'm sure there is some way. However, I don't know what the effect would be for sustained driving at normal speeds. Of course, there would be the same question if you carried one of the aftermarket universal spares.

 

[msaunders9430]

My thought was to buy an extra wheel/tire for the Gravity from Lucid and just throw it in the back when we go on a road trip. I suppose this would be an extra front tire, so they'd be mismatched if the problem was on a back tire. But better than a skinny spare.

Would there be any risk with putting that small diameter front wheel on the rear during a road trip emergency?

Also, if your spare is a driver side, any risk putting it on passenger side in same situation previously mentioned?

Just wondering.
I feel like I asked this or similar question before, but haven't found it in a short forum search.

 

[hmp10]

There's a new forum member -- @PetevB -- who is an engineer and seems to know a lot about these kinds of issues. Maybe he can weigh in on our questions?

 

[DeaneG]

I think a mismatched spare would be OK for limited use to complete a road trip.
My two data points: I've seen a differential completely ruined by long-term use of two mismatched tires on a mid-1960's vehicle. And I've had a mechanic laugh at me for wanting to shave a new tire to match the diameter of the old one on the other side of the "axle" on a modern car.