[RESOLVED] Yikes! at 107 Miles and now - what seems like a significant system meltdown on my new Air.

[Bunnylebowski]

You make an eloquent case for what ISNT known...not for what IS known

Of course only Lucid knows, therefor not Bunny or any of us

Objective data are the only TRUTH here, and only Lucid has them

No need to make personal enemies over what seems to be irrefutable

COOL.

Anyway, getting back to the topic of this thread which actually matters, @Jordan were you able to adjust the seat using the pilot panel? Just curious if that controlled the seats ok but the side levers did not or vice versa? There’s some redundancy for controls that might reveal part of what the issue could be. And sorry for the thread being derailed, and even more sorry for this very bizarre set of issues that everyone aside from @digiboxer seems to think is a new one.

 

[Jordan]

Non-owner opinions on the reliability of the car are, by definition, less valuable. They have not lived with the car and been able to experience it’s stability, or lack thereof, firsthand. That’s not really an arguable point.

The only exception is if someone has a significant amount of data that is statistically significant, or has run a major auto manufacturer before. I don’t think either applies in this case.

I think you just kind of made part of his point. So non-owner options are valued less by you? Good to know.

If you don't own a car, you are unqualified to offer an opinion about an issue. You have no database you can refer to that tells us anything, and you seem to have an axe to grind. This is now my third EV, and I feel confident that my opinion about issues with an EV is valid...what makes you an expert? I think the point is well made. If you don't own a car or have a deep database to pull from, your opinion is just that ---your opinion. This is not to say that non-owner options (sic) are less valued, but assuming you meant opinions, you are probably correct.

 

[Jordan]

COOL.

Anyway, getting back to the topic of this thread which actually matters, @Jordan were you able to adjust the seat using the pilot panel? Just curious if that controlled the seats ok but the side levers did not or vice versa? There’s some redundancy for controls that might reveal part of what the issue could be. And sorry for the thread being derailed, and even more sorry for this very bizarre set of issues that everyone aside from @digiboxer seems to think is a new one.

No, I did not try to use the side levers - will try that tomorrow.

 

[digiboxer]

And even if I’m “just guessing”, what exactly is the point that this non-owner/two identity member here is making? That this error could be not rare? Ok sure. Maybe it’s not rare, yet nobody here has ever heard of it before. Excellent point @digiboxer, check m

And even if I’m “just guessing”, what exactly is the point that this non-owner/two identity member here is making? That this error could be not rare? Ok sure. Maybe it’s not rare, yet nobody here has ever heard of it before. Excellent point @digiboxer, check mate.

Well lots of venom...but let's get past it...the point is, self-appointed experts here are convincing prospective buyers that potentially serious problems with the car ---all described by your fellow owners...are really not serious...

You might be right...but why do you take the risk you're wrong...unless you have objective data --which would be a huge benefit to all of us...

 

[borski]

Well lots of venom...but let's get past it...the point is, self-appointed experts here are convincing prospective buyers that potentially serious problems with the car ---all described by your fellow owners...are really not serious...

You might be right...but why do you take the risk you're wrong...unless you have objective data --which would be a huge benefit to all of us...

You have repeated yourself enough, and you have been asked to stop repeatedly. There are enough posts where people can read this very same opinion from you at this point.

For the last time, please refrain from responding with the same comment on a thread where it is not relevant. If you continue to do so, the moderators will have no choice but to temporarily ban you for, at this point, trolling.

You have been asked over and over to simply agree to disagree; that is fine, and would be the mature way forward. If you cannot do that, we will have to do it for you.

Thanks, and happy holidays.

 

[Jordan]

Non-owner opinions on the reliability of the car are, by definition, less valuable; importantly, please do not misread this to mean they have no value. They have some intrinsic value, as most opinions do, but they have not lived with the car and been able to experience it’s stability, or lack thereof, firsthand. That’s not really an arguable point.

The only exception is if someone has a significant amount of data that is statistically significant, or has run a major auto manufacturer before. I don’t think either applies in this case.

My goal in asking the question is to figure out the issue and move forward, not to bash Lucid but to explain the issue and get valuable input from others who own a car. I am open to hearing from people who don't own a car, but the value of their input on vehicle issues is worthless unless they have data to back up what they are saying.

 

[Slam08]

If you don't own a car, you are unqualified to offer an opinion about an issue. You have no database you can refer to that tells us anything, and you seem to have an axe to grind. This is now my third EV, and I feel confident that my opinion about issues with an EV is valid...what makes you an expert? I think the point is well made. If you don't own a car or have a deep database to pull from, your opinion is just that ---your opinion. This is not to say that non-owner options (sic) are less valued, but assuming you meant opinions, you are probably correct.

Wow. Now you too?

Since you automatically assume that you have more EV experience with me I’ll leave to your fantasies.

I’m thinking non owners are no longer welcome here. I’ll see my way out.

 

[borski]

Wow. Now you too?

Since you automatically assume that you have more EV experience with me I’ll leave to your fantasies.

I’m thinking non owners are no longer welcome here. I’ll see my way out.

Non-owners are more than welcome here; there are plenty of folks who don’t even have a reservation but are curious and interested, and nobody has any issues with them.

The issues arise when non-owners create drama where none is necessary, particularly when the goal is to help a new owner who has a specific issue or set of issues. Arguing about whether this is a frequent issue or not is irrelevant to this thread, especially when the same argument has been rehashed, with no changes, on countless other threads.

Again, this shouldn’t be controversial. You are welcome to have opinions and feedback, but it needs to be constructive in order to be valuable.

P.S. I am not saying that you have not been constructive, so please don’t read this as a personal attack. I am using “you” in the general sense, not specifically referring to you.

 

[Tim-in-CA]

I think his was displays failing and brake failure warnings? I don’t recall a trunk/redundant lighting/lane departure error in his situation but I might be misremembering it.

You may be correct. I know for Tesla, when there are 12V issues, all sorts of random errors are thrown by the vehicle. It’s definitely worth the OP to ask Lucid service. Hopefully their issue can be easily resolved.

 

[Slam08]

You may be correct. I know for Tesla, when there are 12V issues, all sorts of random errors are thrown by the vehicle. It’s definitely worth the OP to ask Lucid service. Hopefully their issue can be easily resolved.

In the Jaguar I pace a random set of errors is often a 12 V failure as well. The only thing connecting the “random” systems was the power supply!

It’s also sometimes a wiring harness failure for Jaguars.

 

[Bobby]

In the Jaguar I pace a random set of errors is often a 12 V failure as well. The only thing connecting the “random” systems was the power supply!

It’s also sometimes a wiring harness failure for Jaguars.

My 2019 I Pace had a 12 V battery failure that stranded me in the middle of a reasonably busy road. The police had to come to direct traffic around the car. There is no way without some sort of jump pack or cables to the 12 V battery to release the emergency brake. Unfortunately, that battery is in the frunk and there is no way to open the frunk without taking apart a good bit of a dashboard and pulling a cable. Eventually, I did all that, and a good Samaritan help me get enough juice to the 12 V battery to release the E brake, put the car in neutral, and roll it to the curb. That process took about 2h. The police were not amused. Customer service refused to help over the phone, except to send a flatbed. It was then taken away to the dealer and a new 12 V battery was installed. Had this happened in the Lucid, at least there are jump points located in more accessible spots.

The wiring harness issue affected a small range of VINs, a range in which my car does fall. I now have 35,000 miles and I haven't needed a new harness yet. Fingers crossed.

 

[Jordan]

Wow. Now you too?

Since you automatically assume that you have more EV experience with me I’ll leave to your fantasies.

I’m thinking non owners are no longer welcome here. I’ll see my way out.

Not at all - but voicing an opinion without data or personal experience is not helpful. I have owned a Tesla Roadster, Two model S's, and now a Lucid. Perhaps you may be an expert on EV's but I certainly have extensive experience with them. However, I would never put myself out there as an EV expert - just an enthusiast. If you have more expertise in this area, please provide your perspective and ideas but back them up with some data.

 

[Bunnylebowski]

I’m no expert either. It’s my first EV. I just like to try and figure out problems on my own and learning from the forum here in case something similar happens to me.

 

[Slam08]

If you don't own a car, you are unqualified to offer an opinion about an issue. You have no database you can refer to that tells us anything, and you seem to have an axe to grind. This is now my third EV, and I feel confident that my opinion about issues with an EV is valid...what makes you an expert?

I don’t appreciate the tone of your post and you automatically assumed you know more than me about lucid and EVs. So I have nothing left to say regarding this that would interest you.

 

[Slam08]

My goal in asking the question is to figure out the issue and move forward, not to bash Lucid but to explain the issue and get valuable input from others who own a car. I am open to hearing from people who don't own a car, but the value of their input on vehicle issues is worthless unless they have data to back up what they are sayi

So instead of bashing lucid just bash other on this forum?

 

[joec]

So instead of bashing lucid just bash other on this forum?

Let’s get back on topic here? The point of the thread is to see if anyone else has had this specific issue, so we can maybe find helpful tips to give to the service team, or maybe find a DIY solution.

Anyone who has not had this issue, or doesn’t have a friend or neighbor who has has this issue by definition cannot help the original poster. Me included.

We’re not here to argue over who has the most experience with EVs, or whether Lucid is doomed, etc. There are hundreds of other threads for that. Pick one.

 

[Adnillien]

I have had my new Lucid for one week. It has a total of 107 miles (87 by me). I last drove it on Thursday, and it was a dream to drive. We went to our kids for the holiday, so the car sat in our garage, secure and temperature controlled for three days. I returned this evening to get something out of the trunk and could not open it. So I got in the car to move it, and major issues start coming up on the dash. Two left screens are dark. The items called out were:

• Trunk Failure
• Passenger Airbag Status Indicator Fault
• Lane Depart Prevention Failure
• Automatic Emergency Breaking Disabled
• Redundant Lighting Fault
• Drive System Warning
• The rear lights in the back were only half on (left side illuminated, right side dark).
• So far, not a single control, i.e., seat, mirrors, etc, do not work.

Called Client support, and they were fast to answer. One of the reasons I left Tesla after owning 2 Model S's is that it is impossible to speak with anyone there for anything, and their service went from great to very poor in my book. The fact that they answered and I was able to have several calls with them, and then the service manager in Scottsdale called me within a half hour is great.

What is not so great is the fact that I have a one-week-old car with what feels like some pretty major electronic issues. They have a service tech coming out tomorrow at 10, so we will see what they find, but they told me if it is going to take time, they will send me to Hertz for a nice car (but not a Lucid) that they will cover - anyone have this issue or experience?

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Please let us know what service finds. Both John and Lena at the Scottsdale Service center are great to work with.

 

[Slam08]

Was responding to the OP so I consider it on topic. I find it concerning that in thread “moderators” didn’t moderate and instead let owners bash non owners.

 

[DeaneG]

@Jordan : best wishes toward having your Air's problem solved quickly. It's a great car and it sounds like you are in good hands with Scottsdale.

 

[hydbob]

Was responding to the OP so I consider it on topic. I find it concerning that in thread “moderators” didn’t moderate and instead let owners bash non owners.

Our main goal is try and ensure things don't get out of hand. It's a fine line to walk, however, my personal opinion on the previous conversation taking place above is that arguments were raised on both sides regarding the validity of opinions and how much weight they carry in discussion. In my view, there were no outright personal attacks, hence no moderation was needed, otherwise the thread would have been locked. That being said, every discussion, especially one like this, gets discussed among moderators on how to further improve the community and our moderation policies. Rest assured, we did discuss this very thread in the moderator chat and were watching it closely.