Any minds changed about getting Air due to this forum?

[Bunnylebowski]

Apparently you have had bad experience at car dealerships. My last couple of experiences have been positive on the purchase side and very positive on the service side. In my mind, the dealership model is an advantage at the service end: I live less than 2 miles from the BMW dealership and they always have a loaner for me. While there is a Lucid service center in my city, it is much farther away and the loaner policy is at best opaque. If my Lucid goes in for service, I don't want to be referred to Hertz or Enterprise or given a Corolla.

Maybe once Lucid has met their production projections for the year then it would be reasonable to expect a Lucid as a loaner, but really every car should be going to customers, not reserved for loaners for the very high percentage of service requests they’re having until they get the gremlins sorted out. I’ll drive a Corolla for a week if it means they fix any issues with my car faster and they learn more about issues, it will just make me love the Lucid even more when I get it back (which is what just happened when I had the Chrysler 300). At least for me their service has been hands down the best I’ve experienced from any car maker. And I had a great experience with Mercedes here in Rhode Island where the service guy Joe would often save me time and $. I know people maybe have an expectation that money is going to get them exactly what they want when they want it, and yeah this car costs a lot of $, but money doesn’t always reduce inconvenience and annoyance, and I’ll live with it because I can very much tell Lucid does care about doing a good job.

 

[MPawelek]

I also do not care what type of loaner I would be given. When I sold my company a few years back I had 870 employees in three countries but I am not royalty so…..

 

[Sam6062]

So my GT may be delivered in two weeks provided I send in my payment. After reading this thread I am a bit concerned because this is going to be our primary family vehicle. Should I try and push the delivery date out to ensure better quality. Just realized some fudsters have an alternate forum to spread crap about the car and the company. But some of those issue in the forum are concerning. How would one expect to drive a car whose frunk may not close or open suddenly. And other things like leaky motor.

Anyone had to take any emergency measures during driving and felt really unsafe? We do not have a service center here in the Dallas TX area until the fall.

 

[Sam6062]

Is the Lucid mostly a play car for a majority of owners here? I am just a working stiff buying something unique for a change.

 

[Sam6062]

There have been 2 "real" world range tests done at 70mph that have hit 500 miles and 505 miles so it can be achieved under the right conditions. There are a a-lot of factors that will effect range.

• Wheel size
• Weather
• Is regen set to high or low
• Do people floor it when taking off from lights etc.
• What drive mode is the car in
• hypermiling
• Etc.

The car is quick and is vey easy to take off from the lights quickly or get around people on the freeway quickly without really thinking about what you're doing. I'm in LA where it seems the normal speed on the freeway can be anything from 70mph to 85mph which the higher the speed the more impact on range. Every little tap on the accelerator that causes a nice burst of energy then you will suffer the consequences in range so we have to accept that people's driving habits do come into play here.

This forum has just a snippet of Lucid owners so if you're taking what's in here as gospel and thinking it applies to every car then I will say it again, don't be an early adopter. I haven't seen any reports of bumpers falling off in the rain or glass roofs flying off the car on a freeway . Every new model has issues.....

So what is the real life range for this car if its not 500 for the range? I heard 50% which sounds like a real issue. It also sounds like it should not be someone’s primary car just yet. Thanks in advance because I only have about a week to back out. Wont mind losing my 1K but 149k and weekly issues will just ruin the family life.

 

[hydbob]

So what is the real life range for this car if its not 500 for the range? I heard 50% which sounds like a real issue. It also sounds like it should not be someone’s primary car just yet. Thanks in advance because I only have about a week to back out. Wont mind losing my 1K but 149k and weekly issues will just ruin the family life.

That has been discussed AT LONG LENGTH and it really comes down to a few key factors, 1) Wheel spec, 2) climate where you live, 3) driving habits and 4) elevation change on your daily driving routes, assume 80%

 

[Grnr92663]

So my GT may be delivered in two weeks provided I send in my payment. After reading this thread I am a bit concerned because this is going to be our primary family vehicle. Should I try and push the delivery date out to ensure better quality. Just realized some fudsters have an alternate forum to spread crap about the car and the company. But some of those issue in the forum are concerning. How would one expect to drive a car whose frunk may not close or open suddenly. And other things like leaky motor.

Anyone had to take any emergency measures during driving and felt really unsafe? We do not have a service center here in the Dallas TX area until the fall.

Going by what my neighbor said, it's the best car he's had, but couple problems still hinder the experience. None affect the daily driving:
- Software take 20-30 sec to boost up in the morning
- Door handle sometime takes 5-10 sec to present
- UI lagging sometime - 3-5 sec to change from nav to radio and back.

Else it's a fantastic car: great ride, efficient, powerful..

 

[Sam6062]

Going by what my neighbor said, it's the best car he's had, but couple problems still hinder the experience. None affect the daily driving:
- Software take 20-30 sec to boost up in the morning
- Door handle sometime takes 5-10 sec to present
- UI lagging sometime - 3-5 sec to change from nav to radio and back.

Else it's a fantastic car: great ride, efficient, powerful..

Thank you for your quick reply. I can live with those. TMI but buying it against significant others’ objections therefore it would be a double whammy. Hope they have better QC by now. Supposedly they do a lot of delivery prep to check issues. Will have a service station in a few months but not yet so service team coming from 300 miles away would be crazy. Good thing right now we do not drive a lot. Hopefully a couple of,the owners above who,have had the issues will reply.

 

[tomfence]

I’ve been a Lucid enthusiast for quite some time. I want them to succeed and love the car. Have a deposit for a GT with a VIN scheduled for about 2 weeks. But, I’ll be honest…following this Forum closely I’m very concerned about some of the quality issues and now am 50/50 (at best) at whether to proceed. I know every car (even legacy manufacturers) have issues. But, this forum has a relatively small number of owners who have received their cars and it feels like a vast majority of them have had issues with software or quality defects of one form or another. In the last few weeks I’ve seen:

1. Possible manual bending of the pcp board as a “fix” for turn signal not working (which would be shocking!)
2. Issues with entry into car with phone/fob, etc.
3. Software lagginess (entire threads around that)
4. Issues around range being well under expected (I currently have a Taycan EV and understand conditions impact this but some of the reports seem surprisingly low so are there issues with the battery cells on some vehicles?).
5. Creaky steering wheels
6. Homelink not working
7. Handles getting stuck
8. Frunk latch breaking
9. Issues with paint scratching due to poor fit with the trunk
10. Panels not aligned correctly

This is not even an all encompassing list. I’m trying to be realistic about this being a new company that’s going to go through some growing pains. But, considering this is a $140K+ purchase, no matter how fantastically engineered the car is and how awesome it drives, if it’s in the repair shop most of the time or in constant need of calls to customer service, how can anyone be pleased with that? I expected an issue here or there, but these are so frequent and random, that I’m worried whether their quality control is up to snuff for a luxury priced vehicle.

I’m definitely on the fence now. Is there ANY current owner that has not had at least ONE issue? I’m continuing to watch the treads and it’s been super helpful to see everyone’s experiences, but the last couple of weeks seems like there are more and more threads with some type of quality issue or another. I’m considering delaying now until Lucid gets there act together even if that means getting back to the end of the queue and waiting until 2023. Maybe by then they will have launched ApplePlay, figured out how to get Sirius XM added, an offer all season tire options for those of us in the Midwest.

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I am an owner, and have not had these issues. The software could always improve and be a little speedier at boot up, but that is expected to continue to improve. I have been very happy with my GT

 

[Sam6062]

I’ve been a Lucid enthusiast for quite some time. I want them to succeed and love the car. Have a deposit for a GT with a VIN scheduled for about 2 weeks. But, I’ll be honest…following this Forum closely I’m very concerned about some of the quality issues and now am 50/50 (at best) at whether to proceed. I know every car (even legacy manufacturers) have issues. But, this forum has a relatively small number of owners who have received their cars and it feels like a vast majority of them have had issues with software or quality defects of one form or another. In the last few weeks I’ve seen:

1. Possible manual bending of the pcp board as a “fix” for turn signal not working (which would be shocking!)
2. Issues with entry into car with phone/fob, etc.
3. Software lagginess (entire threads around that)
4. Issues around range being well under expected (I currently have a Taycan EV and understand conditions impact this but some of the reports seem surprisingly low so are there issues with the battery cells on some vehicles?).
5. Creaky steering wheels
6. Homelink not working
7. Handles getting stuck
8. Frunk latch breaking
9. Issues with paint scratching due to poor fit with the trunk
10. Panels not aligned correctly

This is not even an all encompassing list. I’m trying to be realistic about this being a new company that’s going to go through some growing pains. But, considering this is a $140K+ purchase, no matter how fantastically engineered the car is and how awesome it drives, if it’s in the repair shop most of the time or in constant need of calls to customer service, how can anyone be pleased with that? I expected an issue here or there, but these are so frequent and random, that I’m worried whether their quality control is up to snuff for a luxury priced vehicle.

I’m definitely on the fence now. Is there ANY current owner that has not had at least ONE issue? I’m continuing to watch the treads and it’s been super helpful to see everyone’s experiences, but the last couple of weeks seems like there are more and more threads with some type of quality issue or another. I’m considering delaying now until Lucid gets there act together even if that means getting back to the end of the queue and waiting until 2023. Maybe by then they will have launched ApplePlay, figured out how to get Sirius XM added, an offer all season tire options for those of us in the Midwest.

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Thanks for sharing

 

[Sam6062]

I am an owner, and have not had these issues. The software could always improve and be a little speedier at boot up, but that is expected to continue to improve. I have been very happy with my GT

Thank you. I can live with some software issues but how would one drive if the frunk does not close. What about range, how many miles have you done on a single charge.

 

[Sam6062]

All of your posts have been really helpful, a lot of great insights. Mine hasn’t made it out of the garage much in two weeks. I’m clearly not as patient.

The hardest part for me is everyone who sees it wants to ask all about it. That’s even more frustrating since it’s still not street legal (#1 above)

Have the issues been fixed now.

 

[tomfence]

Thank you. I can live with some software issues but how would one drive if the frunk does not close. What about range, how many miles have you done on a single charge.

I’m currently getting about 3.1 miles per kWh, but I expect that to go up once I get past 1 or 2k miles driven. To be honest, I have mostly been using it for local schlepping of the kids, so it has plenty of range for me, but once the next soccer season commences, I will be taking my son on 200-250 mile trips each way, so that will be a much better test. Hopefully should have better info in a few months.

 

[PhotoEye]

So my GT may be delivered in two weeks provided I send in my payment. After reading this thread I am a bit concerned because this is going to be our primary family vehicle. Should I try and push the delivery date out to ensure better quality. Just realized some fudsters have an alternate forum to spread crap about the car and the company. But some of those issue in the forum are concerning. How would one expect to drive a car whose frunk may not close or open suddenly. And other things like leaky motor.

Anyone had to take any emergency measures during driving and felt really unsafe? We do not have a service center here in the Dallas TX area until the fall.

You've come this far and are poised to receive a phenomenal driving vehicle.
Perfect? Of course not. Surprisingly confusing and disappointing? In some areas.

"frunk may not close or open suddenly" "leaky motor" "emergency measures during driving" "felt really unsafe" I have not heard any of these experiences cited by DE or GT owners on this forum. I assure you, if these were prevalent, they would be well documented here. This forum has far more substantive information than spurious speculation and hyperbolic rumors.

In the end, go with your instinct. If you have a low tolerance for software corrections/improvements/enhancements and non-emergent fit & finish oddities, then don't buy this car. For that matter, don't by any new car, since they all have their unique issues. If the GT will be the only family car with no nearby Lucid service center or mobile service unit (which might be only a few hours away from where a service tech would be dispatched to your home), then don't buy this car. But, you clearly have already made these analyses.

You mention the GT being your "primary family vehicle," suggesting there is another vehicle available for use. Depending upon your family structure, you may have a hard time using it as a "family vehicle" as opposed to "YOUR vehicle!" Perhaps, you and your Spouse. But "family," as in young drivers in the household -- well, if you don't push the button on the wire payment, you'll never know for sure.

Good luck and let us know your decision! Welcome to the Forum.

 

[Sam6062]

I am mixed. Majority seems to enjoy the ride quality and after seeing it in person I really want it but actual range and issues makes me wonder if I should just wait several more years though waiting is double edged. More EV models coming out but I'm also very concerned with price increases. Whatever next car I'm getting I expect to keep it at least 10 years so I want to be certain it's the right car. Also curious how Lucid will do in car crashes. Explosions? Violent burning? One thing I fear about EVs.

I learned about actual range from people vs EPA estimate to be significantly less and because of that I don't want to consider any EV with less than 400mi so I'm technically stuck with the Air (or EQS because that got 400+mi on Edmunds test). I at least want a round trip to SF and San Jose on a single charge. Both ~110mi each way or ~220mi round trip plus some driving around ~40mi so 260mi. 85% of EPA, 15% battery degradation, 10% remaining battery cushion... That 400mi range hits 260mi perfectly. I'm thinking that eventually by the time I hit more than 15% degradation there will be significantly more EV stations.

So are we saying that the Tesla and EQS Battery design allow for ore usable mileage compared to the Lucid’s 516 mile range? I ordered the range version just because I was told never let the car below 25% level. As you can tell from my frantic posts I am thoroughly confused now. I have truly never had any major or even minor issues upon immediate purchase of a new or used vehicle.

 

[Sam6062]

Ditto. Well said. I don’t even know when I’ll get my car, since I have no confidence at all in my SA’s assurance that ordering this month, I could expect delivery in ”two to four months”. Ain’t gonna happen. But I don’t care, I’m still excited about the idea of taking ownership of a Lucid, and I know I’ll be thrilled when I finally, finally get it.

Mine was in 4 weeks from the VIN assignment so 2-4 months is realistic. I even ordered mine in January 2022 and It is ready for delivery.

 

[PhotoEye]

So are we saying that the Tesla and EQS Battery design allow for ore usable mileage compared to the Lucid’s 516 mile range? I ordered the range version just because I was told never let the car below 25% level. As you can tell from my frantic posts I am thoroughly confused now. I have truly never had any major or even minor issues upon immediate purchase of a new or used vehicle.

Man, you are so full of buyer's remorse even before you make the purchase!
If you are going to put yourself through all these changes, at least you should make the buy and enjoy the unmatched driving experience. Stop worrying about that first date. Put on that nice shirt, pick her up, and let the rest take care of itself. Enjoy the ride.

 

[Sam6062]

You've come this far and are poised to receive a phenomenal driving vehicle.
Perfect? Of course not. Surprisingly confusing and disappointing? In some areas.

"frunk may not close or open suddenly" "leaky motor" "emergency measures during driving" "felt really unsafe" I have not heard any of these experiences cited by DE or GT owners on this forum. I assure you, if these were prevalent, they would be well documented here. This forum has far more substantive information than spurious speculation and hyperbolic rumors.

In the end, go with your instinct. If you have a low tolerance for software corrections/improvements/enhancements and non-emergent fit & finish oddities, then don't buy this car. For that matter, don't by any new car, since they all have their unique issues. If the GT will be the only family car with no nearby Lucid service center or mobile service unit (which might be only a few hours away from where a service tech would be dispatched to your home), then don't buy this car. But, you clearly have already made these analyses.

You mention the GT being your "primary family vehicle," suggesting there is another vehicle available for use. Depending upon your family structure, you may have a hard time using it as a "family vehicle" as opposed to "YOUR vehicle!" Perhaps, you and your Spouse. But "family," as in young drivers in the household -- well, if you don't push the button on the wire payment, you'll never know for sure.

Good luck and let us know your decision! Welcome to the Forum.

Thank you. You are correct, I will get delivery. Worst case someone wants it fast enough can have mine. I will reserve another one just in case before the price increase. 1K is not a big deal but 149K definitely is for me. I told them I will pay them with 3K shares of LCID stock at 55$ a Pop.same price thst allowed Rawlinson to collect his 260 Million . Needless to say they did not bite. I am glad I found a great support group..

 

[Sam6062]

Man, you are so full of buyer's remorse even before you make the purchase!
If you are going to put yourself through all these changes, at least you should make the buy and enjoy the unmatched driving experience. Stop worrying about that first date. Put on that nice shirt, pick her up, and let the rest take care of itself. Enjoy the ride.

Thank you. That is just me, can’t help it. ‘Buyer’s Remorse’ is my middle name but you convinced me. Thank you. Oh yeah I do own a Nice Shirt. Also it will be delivered to my house here in Dallas.

 

[Sam6062]

You've come this far and are poised to receive a phenomenal driving vehicle.
Perfect? Of course not. Surprisingly confusing and disappointing? In some areas.

"frunk may not close or open suddenly" "leaky motor" "emergency measures during driving" "felt really unsafe" I have not heard any of these experiences cited by DE or GT owners on this forum. I assure you, if these were prevalent, they would be well documented here. This forum has far more substantive information than spurious speculation and hyperbolic rumors.

In the end, go with your instinct. If you have a low tolerance for software corrections/improvements/enhancements and non-emergent fit & finish oddities, then don't buy this car. For that matter, don't by any new car, since they all have their unique issues. If the GT will be the only family car with no nearby Lucid service center or mobile service unit (which might be only a few hours away from where a service tech would be dispatched to your home), then don't buy this car. But, you clearly have already made these analyses.

You mention the GT being your "primary family vehicle," suggesting there is another vehicle available for use. Depending upon your family structure, you may have a hard time using it as a "family vehicle" as opposed to "YOUR vehicle!" Perhaps, you and your Spouse. But "family," as in young drivers in the household -- well, if you don't push the button on the wire payment, you'll never know for sure.

Good luck and let us know your decision! Welcome to the Forum.

We do have another car or two. We are empty nesters but good point on the service center or mobile unit. We are getting a service center 15 minutes from my house in the fall.