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[Pragmatic]

The connector is an insignificant part of V2H or V2G hardware design.

 

[DeaneG]

The connector is an insignificant part of V2H or V2G hardware design.

Sure, but I wouldn't introduce a new product with the "old" connector at this time. There's a lot of testing and documentation that would have to be repeated in a year.

 

[Pragmatic]

There currently alot more vehicles with CCS connectors that their OEMs will allow V2H than with NAC. Yes two years from now it will change but if a company sells a V2H box today it will need to be either CCS or CHAdeMO (or ship with an adapter)

 

[DeaneG]

There currently alot more vehicles with CCS connectors that their OEMs will allow V2H than with NAC. Yes two years from now it will change but if a company sells a V2H box today it will need to be either CCS or CHAdeMO (or ship with an adapter)

Lucid's proposed solution is unique in the industry as it uses a J1772 connector passing AC, rather than everyone else's plan of using CCS or NACS and passing DC. If implemented this way, Lucid's V2H hardware would be completely specific to the Air, not usable by any other EV.

 

[scal_air]

Lucid's proposed solution is unique in the industry as it uses a J1772 connector passing AC, rather than everyone else's plan of using CCS or NACS and passing DC. If implemented this way, Lucid's V2H hardware would be completely specific to the Air, not usable by any other EV.

Which is why I’m holding off buying a EV charging station and using the supplied Lucid mobile charger on a 240 outlet. Not complaining about the mobile charger - it works pretty darn well. But I sure would like to move forward

 

[Buffalo Bob]

As was pointed out above our cars have the equivalent of at least 6 Power Walls. My Lucid could theoretically power my entire home for a week or more!! So even if I'm at 50% SOC I can cover my needs for a couple of days without draining the car. As stated above this is a huge selling point for Lucid and for those who want this capability it makes the price of the car much more attractive!! FYI PG&E is running a pilot test program just for this purpose.

Hi, @SaratogaLefty! Having lived in Saratoga for many years, I was talking with an old friend from there who told me about the current PG&E on/off peak rates. Yikes! Your day rates per kWh are about the same as EA's (some call predatory) pricing in AZ. With a good solar array, and the ability to leave the car at home during certain parts of the day, I can see how V2H could bring your on-peak usage to nil.

 

[SaratogaLefty]

Hi, @SaratogaLefty! Having lived in Saratoga for many years, I was talking with an old friend from there who told me about the current PG&E on/off peak rates. Yikes! Your day rates per kWh are about the same as EA's (some call predatory) pricing in AZ. With a good solar array, and the ability to leave the car at home during certain parts of the day, I can see how V2H could bring your on-peak usage to nil.

Yes I have to believe our rates are among the highest if not the highest in the nation. PG&E pays their executives huge salaries and their overhead is ridiculous. Add to that the fact that the fires (some of which were believed to be started by their power lines coming down in strong winds) have caused them to incur large repair costs which of course they get to pass on to us instead of making significant cost reductions to their management structure. They have a monopoly and although they answer to the PUC they pretty much get to do whatever they request and thus the rates keep climbing up. The primary reason I want the V2H capability is to power my home during PG&E shutdowns which are becoming more common as they are very nervous every time the wind blows hard. I do have solar which helps reduce my cost so I'm not really planning to use the V2G capability but maybe that is something I will consider when/if Lucid and PG&E get their act together.

 

[DeaneG]

Hi, @SaratogaLefty! Having lived in Saratoga for many years, I was talking with an old friend from there who told me about the current PG&E on/off peak rates. Yikes! Your day rates per kWh are about the same as EA's (some call predatory) pricing in AZ. With a good solar array, and the ability to leave the car at home during certain parts of the day, I can see how V2H could bring your on-peak usage to nil.

I have 25kWh of home batteries, also in PG&E territory. That's enough to last us through most days, at least the ones without laundry. But it would definitely be a help to be able to connect my Air to my home's PV system to be able to absorb and release more PV energy than my 25kWh can handle. A power supplement which would also be invaluable for outages lasting more than one day.

 

[Buffalo Bob]

I have 25kWh of home batteries, also in PG&E territory. That's enough to last us through most days, at least the ones without laundry. But it would definitely be a help to be able to connect my Air to my home's PV system to be able to absorb and release more PV energy than my 25kWh can handle. A power supplement which would also be invaluable for outages lasting more than one day.

We expect to close on a new-build residence in metro-Seattle around mid-year 2026, and hope that V2H is far enough along to get the necessary equipment installed when the rest of the wiring goes in. I don't think we'll be able to install even a small solar array, but since the grid is notoriously unreliable in our area, having such an extensive power back-up will be great. Puget Sound energy rates are very reasonable compared to PG&E, so the financial benefits of solar, environmental considerations notwithstanding, are not nearly as great as they are in your neck of the woods. Nor is the amount of sunshine a good deal of the year!

 

[Bobby]

Yes I have to believe our rates are among the highest if not the highest in the nation. PG&E pays their executives huge salaries and their overhead is ridiculous. Add to that the fact that the fires (some of which were believed to be started by their power lines coming down in strong winds) have caused them to incur large repair costs which of course they get to pass on to us instead of making significant cost reductions to their management structure. They have a monopoly and although they answer to the PUC they pretty much get to do whatever they request and thus the rates keep climbing up. The primary reason I want the V2H capability is to power my home during PG&E shutdowns which are becoming more common as they are very nervous every time the wind blows hard. I do have solar which helps reduce my cost so I'm not really planning to use the V2G capability but maybe that is something I will consider when/if Lucid and PG&E get their act together.

SDG&E says “hold my beer.” Our average rates are the highest in the nation, at 47.7 cents per kilowatt hour.

 

[Buffalo Bob]

SDG&E says “hold my beer.” Our average rates are the highest in the nation, at 47.7 cents per kilowatt hour.

Wow! ...and it looks like Mother Nature is getting ready to whack you with some really strong winds, to boot! At least (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) SOCAL seems to have a lot more underground electric infrastructure than NORCAL.

 

[SaratogaLefty]

SDG&E says “hold my beer.” Our average rates are the highest in the nation, at 47.7 cents per kilowatt hour.

Depending on the time of year and the plan we are on our "Peak Time" usage rates go as high as $.62/kWh. So take that SDG&E!!

 

[Bobby]

Wow! ...and it looks like Mother Nature is getting ready to whack you with some really strong winds, to boot! At least (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) SOCAL seems to have a lot more underground electric infrastructure than NORCAL.

Wind scares me because of fire.

 

[Buffalo Bob]

Wind scares me because of fire.

With good reason, as California seems to be particularly plagued with wind-driven fires. I recall you saying that you've personally experienced a devastating house fire, but that there was fortunately damage to property only. Thank goodness for that!

 

[SaratogaLefty]

Yeah the partial solution to these wind driven fires is to get rid of at least one of the major causes. That being the overhead power lines that the wind can take down and if the power is live then fire breaks out. One option is the one PG&E is using and that is to shut down the power in any area where wind is a hazard for the period of high winds. That may not cost PG&E much money but it is extremely inconvenient and somewhat costly to the residents who are impacted. A better solution, albeit much more costly to the utilities (which eventually means us) is to move as much of the overhead power lines under ground. PG&E is attempting to do this where it can but it is going to take many years to complete and in the meantime they keep asking for rate increases to cover their costs. I understand this is necessary but I really wish the PUC would get involved with a thorough analysis of the PG&E cost structure (including their ballooning management bureaucracy and costs). Since PG&E has been given monopoly status they should be held accountable for "reasonable" cost structure. But I am under the opinion that the PUC and the utilities in this state are too closely in bed together.

 

[scal_air]

As the power is now out in my area for preventative measures, V2H would sure be nice now.