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Pragmatic said:
The connector is an insignificant part of V2H or V2G hardware design.
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Sure, but I wouldn't introduce a new product with the "old" connector at this time. There's a lot of testing and documentation that would have to be repeated in a year.
 
There currently alot more vehicles with CCS connectors that their OEMs will allow V2H than with NAC. Yes two years from now it will change but if a company sells a V2H box today it will need to be either CCS or CHAdeMO (or ship with an adapter)
 
Pragmatic said:
There currently alot more vehicles with CCS connectors that their OEMs will allow V2H than with NAC. Yes two years from now it will change but if a company sells a V2H box today it will need to be either CCS or CHAdeMO (or ship with an adapter)
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Lucid's proposed solution is unique in the industry as it uses a J1772 connector passing AC, rather than everyone else's plan of using CCS or NACS and passing DC. If implemented this way, Lucid's V2H hardware would be completely specific to the Air, not usable by any other EV.
 
DeaneG said:
Lucid's proposed solution is unique in the industry as it uses a J1772 connector passing AC, rather than everyone else's plan of using CCS or NACS and passing DC. If implemented this way, Lucid's V2H hardware would be completely specific to the Air, not usable by any other EV.
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Which is why I’m holding off buying a EV charging station and using the supplied Lucid mobile charger on a 240 outlet. Not complaining about the mobile charger - it works pretty darn well. But I sure would like to move forward 😓
 
SaratogaLefty said:
As was pointed out above our cars have the equivalent of at least 6 Power Walls. My Lucid could theoretically power my entire home for a week or more!! So even if I'm at 50% SOC I can cover my needs for a couple of days without draining the car. As stated above this is a huge selling point for Lucid and for those who want this capability it makes the price of the car much more attractive!! FYI PG&E is running a pilot test program just for this purpose.
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Hi, @SaratogaLefty! Having lived in Saratoga for many years, I was talking with an old friend from there who told me about the current PG&E on/off peak rates. Yikes! Your day rates per kWh are about the same as EA's (some call predatory) pricing in AZ. With a good solar array, and the ability to leave the car at home during certain parts of the day, I can see how V2H could bring your on-peak usage to nil.
 
Buffalo Bob said:
Hi, @SaratogaLefty! Having lived in Saratoga for many years, I was talking with an old friend from there who told me about the current PG&E on/off peak rates. Yikes! Your day rates per kWh are about the same as EA's (some call predatory) pricing in AZ. With a good solar array, and the ability to leave the car at home during certain parts of the day, I can see how V2H could bring your on-peak usage to nil.
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Yes I have to believe our rates are among the highest if not the highest in the nation. PG&E pays their executives huge salaries and their overhead is ridiculous. Add to that the fact that the fires (some of which were believed to be started by their power lines coming down in strong winds) have caused them to incur large repair costs which of course they get to pass on to us instead of making significant cost reductions to their management structure. They have a monopoly and although they answer to the PUC they pretty much get to do whatever they request and thus the rates keep climbing up. The primary reason I want the V2H capability is to power my home during PG&E shutdowns which are becoming more common as they are very nervous every time the wind blows hard. I do have solar which helps reduce my cost so I'm not really planning to use the V2G capability but maybe that is something I will consider when/if Lucid and PG&E get their act together.
 
Buffalo Bob said:
Hi, @SaratogaLefty! Having lived in Saratoga for many years, I was talking with an old friend from there who told me about the current PG&E on/off peak rates. Yikes! Your day rates per kWh are about the same as EA's (some call predatory) pricing in AZ. With a good solar array, and the ability to leave the car at home during certain parts of the day, I can see how V2H could bring your on-peak usage to nil.
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I have 25kWh of home batteries, also in PG&E territory. That's enough to last us through most days, at least the ones without laundry. But it would definitely be a help to be able to connect my Air to my home's PV system to be able to absorb and release more PV energy than my 25kWh can handle. A power supplement which would also be invaluable for outages lasting more than one day.
 
DeaneG said:
I have 25kWh of home batteries, also in PG&E territory. That's enough to last us through most days, at least the ones without laundry. But it would definitely be a help to be able to connect my Air to my home's PV system to be able to absorb and release more PV energy than my 25kWh can handle. A power supplement which would also be invaluable for outages lasting more than one day.
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We expect to close on a new-build residence in metro-Seattle around mid-year 2026, and hope that V2H is far enough along to get the necessary equipment installed when the rest of the wiring goes in. I don't think we'll be able to install even a small solar array, but since the grid is notoriously unreliable in our area, having such an extensive power back-up will be great. Puget Sound energy rates are very reasonable compared to PG&E, so the financial benefits of solar, environmental considerations notwithstanding, are not nearly as great as they are in your neck of the woods. Nor is the amount of sunshine a good deal of the year!
 
SaratogaLefty said:
Yes I have to believe our rates are among the highest if not the highest in the nation. PG&E pays their executives huge salaries and their overhead is ridiculous. Add to that the fact that the fires (some of which were believed to be started by their power lines coming down in strong winds) have caused them to incur large repair costs which of course they get to pass on to us instead of making significant cost reductions to their management structure. They have a monopoly and although they answer to the PUC they pretty much get to do whatever they request and thus the rates keep climbing up. The primary reason I want the V2H capability is to power my home during PG&E shutdowns which are becoming more common as they are very nervous every time the wind blows hard. I do have solar which helps reduce my cost so I'm not really planning to use the V2G capability but maybe that is something I will consider when/if Lucid and PG&E get their act together.
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SDG&E says “hold my beer.” Our average rates are the highest in the nation, at 47.7 cents per kilowatt hour.
 
Bobby said:
SDG&E says “hold my beer.” Our average rates are the highest in the nation, at 47.7 cents per kilowatt hour.
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Wow! ...and it looks like Mother Nature is getting ready to whack you with some really strong winds, to boot! At least (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) SOCAL seems to have a lot more underground electric infrastructure than NORCAL.
 
Bobby said:
SDG&E says “hold my beer.” Our average rates are the highest in the nation, at 47.7 cents per kilowatt hour.
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Depending on the time of year and the plan we are on our "Peak Time" usage rates go as high as $.62/kWh. So take that SDG&E!!
 
Buffalo Bob said:
Wow! ...and it looks like Mother Nature is getting ready to whack you with some really strong winds, to boot! At least (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) SOCAL seems to have a lot more underground electric infrastructure than NORCAL.
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Wind scares me because of fire.
 
Bobby said:
Wind scares me because of fire.
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With good reason, as California seems to be particularly plagued with wind-driven fires. I recall you saying that you've personally experienced a devastating house fire, but that there was fortunately damage to property only. Thank goodness for that!
 
Yeah the partial solution to these wind driven fires is to get rid of at least one of the major causes. That being the overhead power lines that the wind can take down and if the power is live then fire breaks out. One option is the one PG&E is using and that is to shut down the power in any area where wind is a hazard for the period of high winds. That may not cost PG&E much money but it is extremely inconvenient and somewhat costly to the residents who are impacted. A better solution, albeit much more costly to the utilities (which eventually means us) is to move as much of the overhead power lines under ground. PG&E is attempting to do this where it can but it is going to take many years to complete and in the meantime they keep asking for rate increases to cover their costs. I understand this is necessary but I really wish the PUC would get involved with a thorough analysis of the PG&E cost structure (including their ballooning management bureaucracy and costs). Since PG&E has been given monopoly status they should be held accountable for "reasonable" cost structure. But I am under the opinion that the PUC and the utilities in this state are too closely in bed together.
 
beginning research on how to use my Air as battery back-up for the house. (I have Lucid home charger)
How is this different from battery back-up from a wall-mounted set-up like Tesla ?
I don't understand why this is delayed ????
 
Cosmo Cruz said:
beginning research on how to use my Air as battery back-up for the house. (I have Lucid home charger)
How is this different from battery back-up from a wall-mounted set-up like Tesla ?
I don't understand why this is delayed ????
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Technically, wall mount setups use an inverter on the wall. The Air would use its Wunderbox for that. But in reality I suspect the trouble is just a whole pile of software and hardware integration issues at the point where the car has to work with the home and transfer switch, coupled with underdeveloped and diverse regulations (different in each state.)
 
Cosmo Cruz said:
beginning research on how to use my Air as battery back-up for the house. (I have Lucid home charger)
How is this different from battery back-up from a wall-mounted set-up like Tesla ?
I don't understand why this is delayed ????
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Enphase, at least, plans to treat a car's battery much as it would a wall-mounted battery, although likely with different settings suitable for a car battery.

At least two auto companies have functioning proprietary V2H solutions (GM, Ford). And a couple others are doing pilot programs in the USA using third-party equipment from Wallbox (Hyundai, Volvo, BMW).

General solutions for V2H in the USA are still in the "coming soon" phase as standards are finalized, software is written, and testing is performed. Many, like Lucid, are targeting the end of this year - as they did in 2025, targeting the end of that year. Enphase, Sigenergy, dcBel are in this category.

Some of these V2H solutions will be AC-bidirectional and will work with AC-bidirectional cars like Lucid, Rivian, Volvo. Others are DC-bidirectional and should work with nearly any EV.
 
Cosmo Cruz said:
beginning research on how to use my Air as battery back-up for the house. (I have Lucid home charger)
How is this different from battery back-up from a wall-mounted set-up like Tesla ?
I don't understand why this is delayed ????
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It’s delayed because of regulations. The technology is mature but the electric companies don’t want to lose their profits. V2H makes it possible to charge your EV when prices are low and sell back to the grid when prices are high (but it’s not good for your car battery to do this - use V2H only for emergencies).

Just look at the effect of NEM 3.0 for solar in California. Excess solar is sold to PG&E who then turns around and sells it to someone else for 10x what they pay you. And, no, this doesn’t cover transmission line costs. That’s a separate line item that is charged.

I’m still debating what to do with my excess solar. Is it worth it for me to earn $1 to $2 per day when PG&E sells that energy to someone else for $10 - $20 by using my solar panels that I paid for? I have friends that have decided not to sell to the grid and just “waste” the excess solar.

The best strategy for NEM 3.0 is to be completely off the grid.
 
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