Open letter to Lucid after 7 months of ownership

Not at all what I was suggesting; just relaying my experience. Yes, the FOB had issues; I just haven’t suffered from them regularly. When it doesn’t work as expected, I have a backup method.😊😊
Actually, on the Lucid, I have had problems with the 4 modes of unlock/ entry....Mobile Key/App/FOB/Valet card. Lucid gave me another FOB, they had to replace the sensor in my B-pillar to make the valet key work, and I had to play with the Wi-Fi to make the Mobile Key work.


For a period of time, I had both my Rivian and my Lucid in the same garage. Both were on Mobile Keys. The Rivian worked flawlessly. The Lucid struggles most of the time.

That said, now that I have my Rivian in CA and the Lucid in AZ, the Lucid seems to work better, especially after OTA 2.4.X. I don't know if those were mitigating factors (cohabitating with the Rivian and pre OTA 2.4.X). Regardless, Lucid seems to struggle more than other car manufacturers with their entry methods.
 
If so, should all users discontinue using the mobile key and/or the app? By what about the reliability of the FOB? It also has a history of its own problems, correct?
I've had good success with my key fob since some early update two years ago, the only time I have trouble is when it's in the same pocket as my RFID blocking wallet, keep them in separate pockets and it's 100%.
 
If so, should all users discontinue using the mobile key and/or the app? By what about the reliability of the FOB? It also has a history of its own problems, correct?
The fob has no issues with functionality, it just has shorter battery life than most people prefer.
 
Actually, on the Lucid, I have had problems with the 4 modes of unlock/ entry....Mobile Key/App/FOB/Valet card. Lucid gave me another FOB, they had to replace the sensor in my B-pillar to make the valet key work, and I had to play with the Wi-Fi to make the Mobile Key work.


For a period of time, I had both my Rivian and my Lucid in the same garage. Both were on Mobile Keys. The Rivian worked flawlessly. The Lucid struggles most of the time.

That said, now that I have my Rivian in CA and the Lucid in AZ, the Lucid seems to work better, especially after OTA 2.4.X. I don't know if those were mitigating factors (cohabitating with the Rivian and pre OTA 2.4.X). Regardless, Lucid seems to struggle more than other car manufacturers with their entry methods.

I have 2 colleagues with Rivians and they report similar reliability with their software experience, including mobile keys.
 
I had a 2022 R1T which I had to sell because it was so awful. Software, hardware, all of it. I moved from that to a BMW iX, which was the most flawless car I've ever owned, but also the single most boring (so there's its flaw). But the software, etc, on the BMW was pretty much perfect in terms of reliability. I didn't overall like their UI or design choices, but everything worked. However, driving it was never something I ever looked forward to. Test drove the Lucid and I was hooked. The driving dynamics of this car are great. And while the software definitely has its issues, it's still 100x better than my Rivian experience was. The grass is not always greener...
 
I had a 2022 R1T which I had to sell because it was so awful. Software, hardware, all of it. I moved from that to a BMW iX, which was the most flawless car I've ever owned, but also the single most boring (so there's its flaw). But the software, etc, on the BMW was pretty much perfect in terms of reliability. I didn't overall like their UI or design choices, but everything worked. However, driving it was never something I ever looked forward to. Test drove the Lucid and I was hooked. The driving dynamics of this car are great. And while the software definitely has its issues, it's still 100x better than my Rivian experience was. The grass is not always greener...
I got my R1S in Nov 2023. Posts by earlier Rivian owners suggest the Rivian SW was more buggy in the early days.

I am not a big fan of Rivian's UI. But my experience with the SW has been very good. Everything seem to work as expected.

Rivian follows a regular cadence, approx. 1X/month, of SW updates. And the updates/fixes are well documented.

I don't expect Lucid's Sw to be perfect. But the lack of communication and roadmap to address the SW deficiencies is regrettable! Unknown and lack of acknowledgement creates anxiety.
 
I got my R1S in Nov 2023. Posts by earlier Rivian owners suggest the Rivian SW was more buggy in the early days.

I am not a big fan of Rivian's UI. But my experience with the SW has been very good. Everything seem to work as expected.

Rivian follows a regular cadence, approx. 1X/month, of SW updates. And the updates/fixes are well documented.

I don't expect Lucid's Sw to be perfect. But the lack of communication and roadmap to address the SW deficiencies is regrettable! Unknown and lack of acknowledgement creates anxiety.
Yeah, the 1x/month releases were often for the worse early on. I'll still never forget being stuck after hockey at 11:30pm a solid 30 miles from home due to a failed update (my fault for kicking it off away from home, I guess). It eventually got running, but what a nightmare. They regularly introduced more bugs than they fixed. And there was one suspension update that turned the truck into either an F1 car or a 1970s Cadillac, no in between, which I hated. I've only had my Lucid since October '24, so it's still pretty new to me, and I was expecting more frequent updates than I've seen, but so it goes. Its still more frequent than BMW, which gives you like 1 update every 6 months and they don't even tell you what (if anything) they've changed.
 
Yeah, the 1x/month releases were often for the worse early on. I'll still never forget being stuck after hockey at 11:30pm a solid 30 miles from home due to a failed update (my fault for kicking it off away from home, I guess). It eventually got running, but what a nightmare. They regularly introduced more bugs than they fixed. And there was one suspension update that turned the truck into either an F1 car or a 1970s Cadillac, no in between, which I hated. I've only had my Lucid since October '24, so it's still pretty new to me, and I was expecting more frequent updates than I've seen, but so it goes. Its still more frequent than BMW, which gives you like 1 update every 6 months and they don't even tell you what (if anything) they've changed.
Fact-check: BMW updates 3 times per year (March, July, and November). They release comprehensive notes each time, which can be found here: https://www.bmwusa.com/explore/connecteddrive/remote-software-upgrade.html
 
It was a 2024 iX. I only received one update in a year and there were no actual release notes when I went to view them
 
The fob has no issues with functionality, it just has shorter battery life than most people prefer.
Interesting. That was not my experience
I don't own a BMW and I have no experience with its SW.

Reading samples of the link @Bobby sent,

> The BMW 3X/yr updates seem to focus on enabling new features, some quality improvement, etc..
> I like to clear and concise descriptions
> there are no specifics for "bug-fixes".

How does BMW address SW bugs? Is "quality improvement" equate to "bug fixes"?

Does BMW release different SW update packages for different models/trims or is it all under one over-arching update package that auto-detect the specific updates necessary for each model/trim?
 
Lol put them in a lucid for a couple months and then see what they say.
Obviously your experience has not been great while others are having next to no issues. The same is true of Rivian. Not sure why you are on a mission to prove that Lucid is the sole manufacturer with bad software when it's been proven time and time again it's not the case.
 
Obviously your experience has not been great while others are having next to no issues. The same is true of Rivian. Not sure why you are on a mission to prove that Lucid is the sole manufacturer with bad software when it's been proven time and time again it's not the case.
I don’t see where it’s been proven that lucid isn’t the worst of the EV startup trio. Look at all the Lucid Air reviews. Every single one mentions bad buggy software. It’s part of Lucid’s reputation. Rivian doesn’t have this reputation. They also have been upfront where they need to improve and do regular AMAs and publish roadmaps and push updates 1x month on the dot without delays. It shows to me that they are trying to catch up where they have issues and being open with the customer base. Which is what I want to see from Lucid. Doesn’t have to be solved overnight
 
I don’t see where it’s been proven that lucid isn’t the worst of the EV startup trio. Look at all the Lucid Air reviews. Every single one mentions bad buggy software. It’s part of Lucid’s reputation. Rivian doesn’t have this reputation. They also have been upfront where they need to improve and do regular AMAs and publish roadmaps and push updates 1x month on the dot without delays. It shows to me that they are trying to catch up where they have issues and being open with the customer base. Which is what I want to see from Lucid. Doesn’t have to be solved overnight
I agree that Tesla and Rivian take a more upfront approach with its customers. Lucid sits in between them and a traditional automaker. Communication and being more upfront has plagued Lucid since the beginning and whilst they've been a tiny bit more forthcoming with things I think at this stage of the game if you get "coming soon" out of them its a win.

If they wanted to follow in Tesla and Rivian's path with more open communication to its owners they probably would have done so by now. Lucid just likes to be secretive \ overly cautious. Look at the Gravity, apart from yesterdays SC announcement its been dark since the handful of deliveries which is extremely strange for a model launch. I don't think they do themselves any favors on the communication front but clearly they seem to be comfortable with it.
 
Your software keeps me from ordering my next Lucid or recommend it to anyone that is not an enthusiast. I understand that no software is perfect at any time, but the issues I and others are having, combined with a lack of fixes, lack of communication, lack of transparency, and a habit of consistently introducing new bugs with each new release, makes me say "no" to my next car being a Lucid. More than that, it makes me recommend against buying a Lucid to everyone that is asking and it's not an enthusiast.

Don't be fooled by the great support, feedback, and leniency that most of the people on this forum have. They are enthusiasts, willing to overlook most issues, because they love the other aspects of the car/brand or lucked out with a problem-free car. But the market that Lucid wants to conquer, that Lucid NEEDS in order to SURIVE, is not made of enthusiasts. It's made of average people that will NOT put up with all the issues that I and others have. Especially when you're paying an average of $90k. Once you get on the radar, you will be eviscerated and it will be very hard to recover from that.

I get it that you cannot get your software right, or at least not in the near future. But at a minimum you need more transparency, more communication, so people know what to expect. Keeping them in the dark will only increase the frustration. Most people here are adults, they can handle bad news. They already chose to take a risk buying your car, so they never expected perfection. Don't drive them away. Be honest with them, and they will understand your pains, make them believers.

Continuing with this strategy will work against you. It's math. A brand enthusiast will recommend Lucid to 10 other people. As it happens in life, all 10 will consider, but only 1 will buy. Now think of an unhappy owner. They will recommend against buying a Lucid to 10 people. Most probably that 10 out of 10 will not buy. Moreover, as people love to exaggerate and complain even though they never experienced a Lucid, they will start recommend against it while sipping on their Chardonnay at the next party in San Diego - just to show how knowledgeable and trendy they are. You have an snowball effect, that might or not be fair, but bad news spreads like fire nowadays. In my 7 months with Lucid, I already had 2 acquittances coming out of nowhere, looking at me like I was crazy for driving a Lucid, based on the "feedback" they got from a third cousin of an uncle of a step brother that had issues with their Lucid. Imagine how many times they said that to others.

I don't pretend to have solutions for the pickle you are in. I'm just providing feedback and (unsolicited) opinion, as someone that can hold two thoughts in their head at the same time: 1) I love the Lucid brand, and my AGT; 2) I cannot recommend it to the non-enthusiast crowd that we're hosting one a month. Moreover, if they are asking, I would recommend against it, because I don't think they will be willing to put up with the issues I dealing with.

I am leading my 5th engineering group, in just as many companies, and I know how tough it is to get it right, especially on a time and budget crunch. As an Executive, the buck stops with me, regardless who screwed up or what happened. The board, or the CEO doesn't care, that's why they are paying me, they want solutions. The only thing that helped, even when I did not have a solid solution for a given issue, was transparency and communication. People will still hate the issue, but they will understand what's behind it, the constraints that I am dealing with. That builds trust. And sometimes trust acts like an investment that keeps you solvent, until you can fix the core issues.

I hope that your current strategy will work and I will be proven wrong, as just another rambling mouth. I would love nothing more than this brand to succeed. Break a leg 🤞 ❤️ 🐻

Wow, it's disheartening to see these ongoing issues with Lucid. While their engineering prowess is undeniable, it seems they're really struggling with the basics of customer service and reliability. It's a stark reminder that building a great car involves more than just cutting-edge tech - it's about the entire ownership experience.

Meanwhile, the contrast with what's happening in China is extraordinary. They're not just focusing on batteries and range, but creating entire smart ecosystems inside their vehicles. With over 67% of new cars featuring advanced smart cabins in Q1, they're clearly prioritizing the user experience in a way Lucid seems to be missing.

It's ironic that Lucid's tagline is "Why build the best EV, when you can build the best damn car?" when they're falling short on fundamental aspects of car ownership. If Chinese automakers bring their customer-centric approach to the US market, companies like Lucid could be in for a rude awakening. Maybe that's a good thing!
 
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