NACS Megathread

[Tesla2.0]

There's a new V4 Tesla Supercharger near my house and do you think it'll work with the Lucid if I were to buy a NACS Adapter? Lectron sells a NACS to CCS Adapter 1000V 500Amps and from what I've read, it's because Tesla pre-V3 superchargers do not have the correct voltage. V4 should solve the problem?

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Got it for months, I haven’t tried it yet.

 

[Tâm]

There's a new V4 Tesla Supercharger near my house and do you think it'll work with the Lucid if I were to buy a NACS Adapter? Lectron sells a NACS to CCS Adapter 1000V 500Amps and from what I've read, it's because Tesla pre-V3 superchargers do not have the correct voltage. V4 should solve the problem?

Lectron Tesla Supercharger (NACS) to CCS Adapter | Vortex Plug | 500A | 1000V

Shop our Lectron Vortex Plug Tesla Supercharger (NACS) to CCS Adapter. Get fast delivery and best prices.

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3) As others mentioned Magic Dock, I think V4 comes with it so you do not need to buy an adapter to use your Lucid at a V4. It comes with both Tesla and CCS1 in one cable.

California used to have V4 up north but now Southern California also has one in Carson with 20 stalls just in the last 2 weeks.

Thus, you should download the Tesla app for free and see if your V4 works with Lucid (the map will show Lucid compatible Superchargers).

 

[DeaneG]

Some manufacturers do not register your vehicle for charging with Tesla's network until your have purchased an adapter from them. It's one way to approximately ensure that you are using a manufacturer-approved adapter rather than a $59 product from GUMVEE on Amazon.

There are currently no 1000V-capable Tesla Supercharger stations installed in the USA, possibly none in the world. Currently, seeing a V4 station just means that it has a longer cable.

 

[hmp10]

The press frenzy around Musk's firing of most of the Supercharger team had died down. Here's what's been happening since:

Tesla Supercharger expansion has reportedly slowed significantly – and that’s bad news for all EV owners

North American Charging Standard is coming, but can the network keep up?

www.techradar.com

 

[scal_air]

The press frenzy around Musk's firing of most of the Supercharger team had died down. Here's what's been happening since:

Tesla Supercharger expansion has reportedly slowed significantly – and that’s bad news for all EV owners

North American Charging Standard is coming, but can the network keep up?

www.techradar.com

Yep and on top of that....

Tesla Disables Magic Dock for Rivian and Other EVs at US Superchargers - RivianTrackr

Tesla has quietly disabled access to its Magic Dock adapters at many U.S. Superchargers, leaving Rivian and other non-Tesla EV owners unable to charge at locations where they could just weeks ago. Rivian drivers, for example, have reported being unable to unlock the Magic Dock at Superchargers...

riviantrackr.com

 

[hmp10]

Now why am I not surprised?

 

[Tâm]

Yep and on top of that....

Tesla Disables Magic Dock for Rivian and Other EVs at US Superchargers - RivianTrackr

Tesla has quietly disabled access to its Magic Dock adapters at many U.S. Superchargers, leaving Rivian and other non-Tesla EV owners unable to charge at locations where they could just weeks ago. Rivian drivers, for example, have reported being unable to unlock the Magic Dock at Superchargers...

riviantrackr.com

It makes financial sense for Tesla.

Since Rivian has been issued with their own free adapter, Tesla wants them to use that and not Tesla's built-in adapter at the stall. That reduces wears and tears for Tesla's CCS1 to Tesla adapter because it refuses to come out. That also means if an owner lost one, more money spent to buy a replacement. Otherwise, the driver would not care to pay for a replacement if the magic dock still lets them use the built-in adapter just like before.

 

[Pragmatic]

Whole move was to eventually get better NAC access at non-telsa owned DCFCs. Charging stations, like gas stations make little or no money. The money is made in the attached convenience store.

 

[Tâm]

Whole move was to eventually get better NAC access at non-telsa owned DCFCs. Charging stations, like gas stations make little or no money. The money is made in the attached convenience store.

Santa Ana, CA just stole your idea yesterday:

Lounge, free Wi-Fi, car wash, free vacuum, groceries, ready to eat food like sushi ...

Well, I still have go to a gas station to put some air into my Lucid Air.

 

[scal_air]

Tam, in a very cynical way, it makes financial sense for Tesla to promise access to their superchargers in order to eliminate the competing CCS standard. It also makes sense to not fulfill that promise in order not to anger their Tesla customers with lines at the SCS stations. But overall, it's bad for the future of EVs. You already have the magic docks deployed, restricting them now is simply another way to reduce access.

 

[joec]

Tam, in a very cynical way, it makes financial sense for Tesla to promise access to their superchargers in order to eliminate the competing CCS standard. It also makes sense to not fulfill that promise in order not to anger their Tesla customers with lines at the SCS stations. But overall, it's bad for the future of EVs. You already have the magic docks deployed, restricting them now is simply another way to reduce access.

It's almost as if Elon Musk doesn't actually care about the future of EVs. Imagine that!

 

[Lucken]

It could be nothing more than a software glitch and it may not even be country-wide. I wouldn’t start a ‘sky is falling’ thread until it’s confirmed this was a deliberate action. I may take a run out to one not far from me tomorrow to check it out.

 

[hmp10]

It's almost as if Elon Musk doesn't actually care about the future of EVs. Imagine that!

Oh, he cares all right. He just wants to make sure Tesla controls that future. Look at the unrelenting campaign he has mounted against Lucid, claiming their business model will never work, their bankruptcy is imminent, lying about Rawlinson's role at Tesla . . . .

 

[hmp10]

It could be nothing more than a software glitch and it may not even be country-wide. I wouldn’t start a ‘sky is falling’ thread until it’s confirmed this was a deliberate action. I may take a run out to one not far from me tomorrow to check it out.

The Tesla adapters have been in short supply, with several automakers having to delay plans to ship them to their EV owners.

It may be a glitch, it may be localized, but as Musk dismantled Tesla's PR and communications organization, there is no way for anyone to find out. Meanwhile, some CCS drivers who don't yet have adapters will be arriving at Tesla Superchargers thinking they can charge, only to find they can't.

Wasn't NACS and accessing Tesla's reputedly highly-reliable Superchargers supposed to avoid that?

I initially didn't understand Rawlinson's apparent foot-dragging about NACS when other automakers were rushing to jump on board. It took me a while to understand how well he actually knew Musk.

 

[Lucken]

The Tesla adapters have been in short supply, with several automakers having to delay plans to ship them to their EV owners.

It may be a glitch, it may be localized, but as Musk dismantled Tesla's PR and communications organization, there is no way for anyone to find out. Meanwhile, some CCS drivers who don't yet have adapters will be arriving at Tesla Superchargers thinking they can charge, only to find they can't.

Wasn't NACS and accessing Tesla's reputedly highly-reliable Superchargers supposed to avoid that?

It should be easy enough to determine what’s going on anecdotally. If it’s not localized and nation wide, there will be people shouting from every EV rooftop. If it’s truly localized you’ll hear only from a relatively few people. I’m betting it’s a glitch, but I could be wrong. I know many are always ready to jump down his throat for a variety of reasons, but I’ll wait for the evidence to come in. Crazy, I know.

As for peeps arriving at Tesla SCs and shocked that they can’t charge, hey, happens too often at EA chargers too!

 

[hmp10]

It should be easy enough to determine what’s going on anecdotally.

Yes, that's a much better approach than a major business organization having no communications department that can answer such questions.

 

[Lucken]

Yes, that's a much better approach than a major business organization having no communications department that can answer such questions.

I never claimed it was. We have 3 choices given what is, wait for evidence to come in, conjecture based on possible bias or rail against Tesla’s lack of a corporate communication department. The latter, IMO, is not constructive. I’ll wait for the evidence, better yet I’ll try a location myself.

 

[Tâm]

Tam, in a very cynical way, it makes financial sense for Tesla to promise access to their superchargers in order to eliminate the competing CCS standard. It also makes sense to not fulfill that promise in order not to anger their Tesla customers with lines at the SCS stations. But overall, it's bad for the future of EVs. You already have the magic docks deployed, restricting them now is simply another way to reduce access.

It has always been understood by those who got the deal from their own car company (Rivian) that they either need:

1) Tesla to CCS1 adapter for older cars
2) Nasc built-in port on their car.

It has always been understood that your own car company will supply the adapter either for free or for a fee, but not directly from Tesla.

The Built-in Tesla to CCS1 adapter at a magic dock was meant for those who did not get the deal implemented from their own company (like Lucid in 2024) and had to get their own individual deal (built-in adapter at a magic dock without carrying it around.)

However, after all the uproars, Tesla could declare it was a software bug.

 

[Tâm]

Battery experts. How realistic is the idea of solid state batteries working for mass production?

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/16/the-race-for-next-gen-ev-batteries-may-soon-pivot-to-semi-solid-state.html

"I keep hearing the same answer: 'We are five to seven years away."

"...the swelling of the battery during charging and, ultimately, the degradation of the cell after extensive recharging."

 

[borski]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/16/the-race-for-next-gen-ev-batteries-may-soon-pivot-to-semi-solid-state.html

"I keep hearing the same answer: 'We are five to seven years away."

"...the swelling of the battery during charging and, ultimately, the degradation of the cell after extensive recharging."

I hear the Tesla Roadster is shipping with them