Dream Edition aiyoooo!

[msaunders9430]

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User @WeighingGravity is "weighing" his options as he decides on Gravity GT or DE.

 

[msaunders9430]

We need a troll on the forum with username "DefyingGravity". I know; corny.

 

[AirDoll]

I'm hoping that Gravity DE orders open to us plebian GT owners soon, so I can test the restraint of my index finger on the mouse.

Soon

 

[DeaneG]

I imagine the Gravity DE will hold its premium at resale in a few years, as are the Air DEs. What do you folks think?

A Gravity DE, if I buy one, would likely be a bridge vehicle for us until Lucid's Midsize is available.

 

[flarbear]

I got a call today to mention that the DE was available for upgrading. It was nice to get a call for any reason, but since they had already sent out the emails I was thinking the call might have been more about new cars in the showroom for sitting/test driving. Alas, no.

 

[momo3605]

I imagine the Gravity DE will hold its premium at resale in a few years, as are the Air DEs. What do you folks think?

A Gravity DE, if I buy one, would likely be a bridge vehicle for us until Lucid's Midsize is available.

Where do you see that? Looks like the resale is worse than other models

 

[hmp10]

Where do you see that? Looks like the resale is worse than other models

Maybe. But this is one data point, and the Dream Range was not particularly desirable to power junkies who want the Dream for its performance. Only about 10% of Dream purchasers opted for it.

 

[DeaneG]

Where do you see that? Looks like the resale is worse than other models

On Cars.com, right now, average asking prices:
2022 DE $ 82.4K n=3
2022 GT $ 68.4K n=8

 

[momo3605]

On Cars.com, right now, average asking prices:
2022 DE $ 82.4K n=3
2022 GT $ 68.4K n=8

Given GT had a $140k msrp and DE was 170, that puts them both exactly at a 48% resale value. So I guess it’s safe to say they are the same. In terms of raw $ lost, the GT and cheaper cars would be better. But this is almost always the same and not surprising.

 

[PetevB]

Ugh I’m still on the fence. Currently accepting advice. You guys can be or and influence my decision. I’m expecting more than .

I think my biggest sticking point is the range loss coupled with a perceived loss of value. I was probably leaning towards pulling all the way back to the smallest rims and they’re not an option on DE. So going from a relatively fully optioned GGT but with small rims, the mileage and price penalties are adding up. (I’d go with the mid wheel on DE but there’s no credit for the $1750 price difference between mid and large, plus the additional $1750 of the mid to add to the DE premium)

Does anyone know why the midrange wheel is exactly the same mileage rating as the largest wheel? Seems a bit odd. Is it possible they just didn’t test that one and gave the same rating as the large wheel to be conservative? I’d be more tempted if I thought I was giving up less range vs my preferred configuration.

I’m also a little unsure whether just having a larger front motor is really going to translate to anything I’ll actually notice in 99% of driving.

Finally there is the warranty xferability. Probably not a major concern as I imagine I’ll keep the vehicle for 7+ years, as I have my current car, but it’s odd and sticks out kind of as a red flag.

I’ll try to lend a little perspective that might help. Mostly by asking you what you really care about.

How much do you really care about speed, for example? Once upon a time having a faster car was simply better. Today that's less and less clear. Extreme acceleration is a hell of a party trick to be sure, but it also means you don't get to experience it as often or for as long. This came home clearly back when I drove a Porsche 918 Spyder and realized it was so fast that I simply didn't have access to the roads to use it regularly; the 981 Boxster Spyder on much less sticky rubber was actually more fun on the vast majority of days. It even sounded better in car... But most people still value "faster", and manufactures still charge for it, which is why the Lucid Sapphire and 911 Turbo S cost 250k a pop.

But if I don't strictly value "faster" as an enthusiast what do I care about?

In my case driver experience. Noise, dynamics, feedback, faithful response, predictability on and over the limit, etc. And while Lucid falls down on the noise part (not much will touch a flat 6 revving to 9k rpm IMHO) I'm here because I expect it to do the other things very, very well for what it is. On the other end of the scale vs say a Tesla, which does those things poorly (largely software related).

Other things I care about: practicality, durability, usability. Do I care how well the car drives itself? No, I rarely mind driving myself. Do I care about how fast it corners? Not really, or more accurately I care more about how it feels at and over the limit than I do about where the limit is (within reason). Do I care about looks and image? Only to a point, and certainly there's a thing as "too much" attention (I feel quite uncomfortable in a Lamborghini).

I dwell on these things because asking the right questions might help you not only make a decision but find value (for you). A 981 Spyder is a bit under 4% of the price of a 918; I was shocked to realize I'd prefer the former most days. I ordered my GT3 Touring with nose lift, the bigger fuel tank and very little else; the options I skipped could pay for another car and I really don't miss them.

In this light is the Dream edition for me? It's faster, sure, but does that bring more enjoyment in this speed range? Probably not for me. It has more of some stuff (options, though those weigh something) and less of others (range). The larger front motor will (likely, depending on gearing) need to lean more heavily on traction control to maintain the handling balance. I don't feel the need tick many of the option boxes (drivers aids, sound and other packages, wheels, etc).

So the Dream isn't for me- I'd be paying more to get quite a few things I don't really value. I'd also get less of a couple things I do care about. But others will prioritize differently, perhaps including yourself.

 

[dhruv]

410 miles of range + 1070 HP - now that’s more like it

 

[DeaneG]

I hope we GT owners will be invited to order a DE soon.

 

[momo3605]

410 miles of range + 1070 HP - now that’s more like it

@hmp10 you’re in business now!

 

[msaunders9430]

I hope we GT owners will be invited to order a DE soon.

Still having trouble with that index finger on the mouse, huh?
Doesn't sound like you plan to even try some restraint.

 

[DeaneG]

Still having trouble with that index finger on the mouse, huh?
Doesn't sound like you plan to even try some restraint.

I'm only thinking of others, of course

 

[Alex]

410 miles of range + 1070 HP - now that’s more like it

My sales advisor called a few days ago and wanted to know if I were interested in upgrading to the Dream Edition. I told him that my largest concern was the lower range. He agreed that it is an issue.

Magically, this morning, I got the email about the smaller wheels and the improved range. Now I’m waiting for my other suggestions to him: more exterior colors, interior leather choices, and maybe platinum. Also would be nice to get a credit for choosing some of the downgrades like wheels and seating coverings. I also told him I’m not really interested in more performance.

I guess what I really want is my original GT order and quicker shipping, presumably like the Dream edition.

 

[hmp10]

@hmp10 you’re in business now!

Oh, I've already been holding forth on the Gravity Order Tracker thread about this. Yep, good news this.

 

[hmp10]

My brother is coming for a visit week after next, so I called the Miami Worldcenter showroom to see if they would have a Gravity in the showroom (maybe one of the show circuit prototypes) I could take him over to see. They won't, but they say they have now been told they will receive a production Gravity for showing and test driving either the last week of March or first week of April. They said the Miami Brickell City Center showroom would also be receiving one at the same time.

 

[dhruv]

"This new wheel size enhances the manufacturer estimated range of the Lucid Gravity Dream Edition of up to 410 miles per charge,(1) allowing your dream to be within reach with fewer charging stops."

"1 -- Manufacturer’s projected estimate for Lucid Gravity Dream Edition when equipped with 20”F/21”R wheels and configured as 2-row, 5-seat vehicle. Actual range will be dependent on many factors, including battery age, driving habits, charging habits, temperatures, accessory use, and other factors as will be described in the owner’s manual."

Wow that's a strange thing to say, because we know the Gravity Dream Edition only has the 7 seater option, guess it will drop a bit closer to 390 now?

 

[dhruv]

Also for the Gravity GT is says "EPA estimated Range" vs Gravity DE it says "Manufacturer estimated range"

Any concerns here? How accurate / honest has lucid been in predicting real world range?