Dream Edition aiyoooo!

[dhruv]

So, for giggles, I called the number in my DE invite and asked a few of the questions - and some new ones - and got basically "I don't know" to all of them.

Can I change my configuration later? i.e. if I order Green now but decide in a few weeks that I want Black instead, am I locked in more than with my GT order? - "I don't know."
Any idea on deliveries? - "I don't know. Probably within the next few months but honestly we don't really know."
If I decide in a few weeks that I actually don't want DE after all, can my additional deposit be put towards a GT? "I don't really know."

The associate was very nice and promised to get back to me with more information, but she also noted that this was only just announced and it sounded like the SAs are mostly in the dark themselves.

It does sound like your 2nd $1000 is non-refundable - I think the first $1000 was refundable. Does this make $2000 that's non-refundable? Or the first $1000 is refundable and the 2nd isn't? But maybe could be applied to a GT? I'll need those answers, I think, before upgrading.

Seems poorly rolled out, this is purely speculation but I wonder if it was a last minute decision to get some extra cash due to high demand

I watched a youtuber interview Peter, and he said "Are we that predictable?" when asked if there would be a Gravity dream edition a few months ago

 

[Gravitas]

Got the Dream edition email, I responded with the following questions (if they want my ~20k extra, hopefully they can respond )

Questions :
1. It seems the only wheel options are 21/22 / 22/23 for the Dream edition, would it be possible to purchase 20/21s and swap them out for higher range later?
2. What is the estimated 0-60 time with 1070 HP? (We know it's 3.4s for 828HP GT)
3. What is the approximate delivery timeline for Dream edition vs GT? (Just ballpark is fine)
4. What accessories would be included? (would it include charging like Lucid Connected Home Charging Station)
5. Is Gravity available to finance / lease with Lucid financial?

Also appreciate if anyone here has any insight into these

Dream Edition probably has only 21/22 and 22/23 wheel options because of the higher torque considerations. Larger wheels also tend to be wider to increase the contact patch to improving grip and traction resulting from higher torque.

And as we all know, this also increases rolling resistance, hence lower range. It's a delicate balance. In fact, I doubt that the 20/21 wheels were even considered for Gravity Dream Edition.

 

[sri]

Seems poorly rolled out, this is purely speculation but I wonder if it was a last minute decision to get some extra cash due to high demand

I watched a youtuber interview Peter, and he said "Are we that predictable?" when asked if there would be a Gravity dream edition a few months ago

For sure this is not last minute. Worked in manufacturing the setup for BOM’s and configurations in software itself takes months and months.

 

[hmp10]

Larger wheels also tend to be wider to increase the contact patch to improving grip and traction resulting from higher torque.

And as we all know, this also increases rolling resistance, hence lower range. It's a delicate balance. In fact, I doubt that the 20/21 wheels were even considered for Gravity Dream Edition.

The tires on all three wheel options have the same cross section: 265mm front and 285mm rear.

 

[hmp10]

Seems poorly rolled out, this is purely speculation but I wonder if it was a last minute decision to get some extra cash due to high demand.

I met someone from Lucid Product Planning several months ago at the Miami Worldcenter Design Studio. He was accompanying a Gravity prototype on its rounds across the studios and other events.

He told me that a higher-power version of the Gravity was in the works but was not yet certain there would be a Sapphire version. And remember that Lucid showed a Dream Edition at the LA Auto Show in November 2023.

I agree with @borski and others that Lucid did not want the first press coverage around the opening of orders for the Gravity to be about the most expensive version, since the Gravity is aimed at a different market segment than the Air was when its Dream Edition launched first.

 

[hmp10]

It does sound like your 2nd $1000 is non-refundable - I think the first $1000 was refundable. Does this make $2000 that's non-refundable? Or the first $1000 is refundable and the 2nd isn't? But maybe could be applied to a GT? I'll need those answers, I think, before upgrading.

As soon as Dream orders opened I tried to switch my order from a Grand Touring and found that all I could do was add a Dream order, not switch or cancel my Grand Touring order.

After doing so and finding I had to pay another deposit, I called the delivery advisor at the Miami Brickell Design Studio I had been assigned with the original order. He did not even know the Dream Edition had been announced. He said, though, that he could cancel the Grand Touring order for me but needed to make a call first. He got back to me about 20 minutes later to confirm the Grand Touring order was canceled and that my original $1,000 deposit would be refunded in about two weeks.

I asked him why I could not cancel the order myself on the Lucid website, and he said that because of the refund procedures the website was not set up to accept cancellations and that they had to be done through contact with a sales or delivery advisor.

I just checked, and my order page is now showing the Grand Touring order as canceled. (Yesterday it was showing "Cancellation Requested".)

 

[californiaboy935]

Apparently it’s rolling out. For some folks, a DE is now available on the website. I suspect it’s making its way through the global caches.

Looks like it:

 

[Gravitas]

The tires on all three wheel options have the same cross section: 265mm front and 285mm rear.

Same tire width across all wheel options explains why the range penalty isn't that bad.
However, the Gravity DE would still need larger wheels to prevent excessive wheel spin due to increased torque. Larger diameter wheels help distribute the load more effectively over longer tire patch - the increased rotational inertia of larger wheel makes for a more controlled acceleration.
The smaller wheels would feel the increased torque even more instantly and cause excessive wheel spin.

 

[PetevB]

This just shows how out of touch this company is. There was an uproar when the Gravity Touring couldn't be ordered and the time it was going to take to receive. Instead of forging down the line to the cheaper model they decide to go in the opposite direction and release a more expensive Dream edition. Similar to when people were wanting to get into the Air Pure quickly Lucid threw the $250K Sapphire in ahead of them.

I don't think Lucid's out of touch, I think you just don't like how the game is played. And frankly I don't love it either, but I like it more than many of the alternatives.

Example: walk in to buy a new Corvette near the beginning of the model run and the dealer will have their hand out to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars. A year or two later a new version of that same car will be going for MSRP or even lower. Supply and demand: people are willing to pay to be first. But both the car company and the owner get screwed here: Chevy doesn't see a cent of that extra cash, while the customer also gets screwed- they paid more for what a few years later is an identical car to everyone else's, just older.

A lunch edition like the Dream seems far fairer: those that want to pay to be first can do so, and in this case they actually get more for their money in the form of a better, more special car that will be worth more later. Lucid meanwhile benefits by getting getting cash a dealer would otherwise get. So it's a win-win. Unless you'd prefer to be first without paying for the privilege, which I think everyone would. But you know, capitalism. It's an upgrade over business as usual, you'd just rather it be better still...

I don't begrudge companies I like making a buck- I'd like to see them stay in business. And one way they make their bucks is to charge you for things that cost them nothing. That software upgrade in a Tesla that unlocks another 50 hp or that colored seatbelt option in a Porsche. These things cost effectively nothing, yet you'll be charged hundreds or thousands for them. But you only need to pay if you want them badly enough. It's the way the game is played. I get not liking it, trust me, but it's reality. I don't see Lucid as the one out of touch here.

 

[Batteryman]

I don't think Lucid's out of touch, I think you just don't like how the game is played. And frankly I don't love it either, but I like it more than many of the alternatives.

Example: walk in to buy a new Corvette near the beginning of the model run and the dealer will have their hand out to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars. A year or two later a new version of that same car will be going for MSRP or even lower. Supply and demand: people are willing to pay to be first. But both the car company and the owner get screwed here: Chevy doesn't see a cent of that extra cash, while the customer also gets screwed- they paid more for what a few years later is an identical car to everyone else's, just older.

A lunch edition like the Dream seems far fairer: those that want to pay to be first can do so, and in this case they actually get more for their money in the form of a better, more special car that will be worth more later. Lucid meanwhile benefits by getting getting cash a dealer would otherwise get. So it's a win-win. Unless you'd prefer to be first without paying for the privilege, which I think everyone would. But you know, capitalism. It's an upgrade over business as usual, you'd just rather it be better still...

I don't begrudge companies I like making a buck- I'd like to see them stay in business. And one way they make their bucks is to charge you for things that cost them nothing. That software upgrade in a Tesla that unlocks another 50 hp or that colored seatbelt option in a Porsche. These things cost effectively nothing, yet you'll be charged hundreds or thousands for them. But you only need to pay if you want them badly enough. It's the way the game is played. I get not liking it, trust me, but it's reality. I don't see Lucid as the one out of touch here.

Agree, another importamt point, the Dream addition has more power, its not like they just introduced a new color and a few trim pieces and jacked up the price.

 

[037]

Hopefully the DE has bigger brakes that justify larger wheels. All this inertia talk…the tire patch is the same width and diameter, doesn’t matter what wheel is under it. The wheels do have weight, and generally more weight makes slower and less weight makes things easier to spin…naturally.

 

[bryway]

As soon as Dream orders opened I tried to switch my order from a Grand Touring and found that all I could do was add a Dream order, not switch or cancel my Grand Touring order.

After doing so and finding I had to pay another deposit, I called the delivery advisor at the Miami Brickell Design Studio I had been assigned with the original order. He did not even know the Dream Edition had been announced. He said, though, that he could cancel the Grand Touring order for me but needed to make a call first. He got back to me about 20 minutes later to confirm the Grand Touring order was canceled and that my original $1,000 deposit would be refunded in about two weeks.

I asked him why I could not cancel the order myself on the Lucid website, and he said that because of the refund procedures the website was not set up to accept cancellations and that they had to be done through contact with a sales or delivery advisor.

I just checked, and my order page is now showing the Grand Touring order as canceled. (Yesterday it was showing "Cancellation Requested".)

My experience as well -- right up to the 'Cancellation Requested' status. I'm still waiting on that.

 

[hmp10]

Hopefully the DE has bigger brakes that justify larger wheels. All this inertia talk…the tire patch is the same width and diameter, doesn’t matter what wheel is under it. The wheels do have weight, and generally more weight makes slower and less weight makes things easier to spin…naturally.

The different wheels also have different aerodynamics. The two smaller wheel packages appear to have some aero features while the largest wheels don't.

 

[GeraltOfRivian]

I wish they had more details on this. I called them and asked if I could switch my deposit to it and she said yes, but it’s nonrefundable. I also asked if this would move my order up in the timeframe and she couldn’t answer that for me. I might be more inclined to switch if that were the case and I could get a further breakdown of everything different than the grand touring.

 

[hmp10]

My experience as well -- right up to the 'Cancellation Requested' status. I'm still waiting on that.

I got an email from Lucid this evening saying my refund would be issued "upon request". I'm going to call tomorrow for clarification, since the refund has already been requested. I wonder if they meant "per request"?

 

[Amster]

You wouldn't know it from the thread here, but ordering a DE Gravity is sort of top secret. I was having dinner in the mall and stopped in the San Diego Lucid Studio while I was there. I was talking with the sales guy, the one who sold me both my Lucids. Someone came in and asked about what versions of the Gravity they could buy. He told them only a GT was available for $95K, with Tourings coming at the end of the year. After they left, he acknowledged that yes there was a Dream Edition, but he's not allowed to say anything about it because someone can't come into the studio and order one.

 

[hmp10]

You wouldn't know it from the thread here, but ordering a DE Gravity is sort of top secret. I was having dinner in the mall and stopped in the San Diego Lucid Studio while I was there. I was talking with the sales guy, the one who sold me both my Lucids. Someone came in and asked about what versions of the Gravity they could buy. He told them only a GT was available for $95K, with Tourings coming at the end of the year. After they left, he acknowledged that yes there was a Dream Edition, but he's not allowed to say anything about it because someone can't come into the studio and order one.

It's hard to call something a limited edition as Lucid did in the invites it sent out yesterday to place Dream orders If anyone can walk in off the street and order one.

It's interesting that Lucid announced how many Air Dreams would be produced before production on them stopped (although the number did grow along the way: first it was to be 250 cars, then 520, then along came the European Dream). By not announcing any hard number for the Gravity Dream, they seem to have left the door open to stay flexible.

Maybe they're keeping the pool of those eligible to order limited until they decide, for whatever reason(s), how many Dreams they want to build?

 

[Murcie]

It's hard to call something a limited edition as Lucid did in the invites it sent out yesterday to place Dream orders If anyone can walk in off the street and order one.

It's interesting that Lucid announced how many Air Dreams would be produced before production on them stopped (although the number did grow along the way: first it was to be 250 cars, then 520, then along came the European Dream). By not announcing any hard number for the Gravity Dream, they seem to have left the door open to stay flexible.

Maybe they're keeping the pool of those eligible to order limited until they decide, for whatever reason(s), how many Dreams they want to build?

The door sill plate has 3 digits, so we know it’s going to be between 100 and 999 worldwide

 

[hmp10]

The door sill plate has 3 digits, so we know it’s going to be between 100 and 999 worldwide

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I'm curious. Was this on the Lunar Titanium car at the LA Auto Show and later on the tour circuit?

 

[Murcie]

I'm curious. Was this on the Lunar Titanium car at the LA Auto Show and later on the tour circuit?

I highly doubt it, an eagle eye would’ve spotted it and broke the news before Lucid sent us the invitation emails (I got it from the email obviously)