Audiophiles! Equalizer settings?

I have not tried the back seat but listening to songs from Spotify the system sounds pedestrian at best from the Drivers seat. Actually based on all the BS about Atmos it sounds cheap. Yes, as someone said personal preference. Will try the settings and move the balance to the back trick when I get the car back.
Genuine question: how does one make audio sound “cheap?”

Could you try to describe it in another way? Lacking bass, treble, soundstage? Curious to know what you mean.
 
Genuine question: how does one make audio sound “cheap?”

Could you try to describe it in another way? Lacking bass, treble, soundstage? Curious to know what you mean.
Probably poor audio compression from Spotify. Or Sam looking for things to pick at? I think he said one nice thing about the car, how it drives, but seems to think literally all other things about it are terrible. I’m not giving him a hard time over it, or trying to be a fanboy. He did get screwed by the mishap at the PPF shop and the need for the service visit but either his car really is that bad or perhaps his perspective/requirements are different from the other owners here.
 
listening to songs from Spotify the system sounds pedestrian at best from the Drivers seat. Actually based on all the BS about Atmos it sounds cheap
Having an incredible sound system will not make that cassette tape recording you made off the radio sound any better than on your boombox (I know you're old enough to know what those are). The better your system, the more GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) holds true. Poor quality recordings actually sound worse the better your components are. So yes, Spotify is going to sound about the same as any decent car stereo.

As an example, I have a high capability 4k HDR home theater system. When I play 4k HDR content, it's breathtaking. This is like playing a high quality atmos encoded song via Tidal hi-fi in the Lucid. Now try playing a VHS tape on my system - it's unwatchable. Not quite as bad but this is what playing Spotify in the car is like...maybe like playing a regular DVD on my system - it doesn't take advantage of the screen resolution or HDR capability so it's basically like watching any other TV.

A disadvantage of a high end system is it makes you more critical of input sources. If you don't want a pedestrian experience, you have to subscribe to Tidal, Apple Music, or Amazon and play higher bit rate recordings, preferably with atmos or "spatial" encoding.
 
I just got my Air Pure with Surreal Sound Pro yesterday... It is OK, but am somewhat underwhelmed by the sound... I am a music junkie, so it matters... I use mostly Apple Music with "lossless" settings. The volume is capped relatively low, and there much less adjustability on EQ than other cars I have owned with high end systems. Any tips? Is SS Pro a software only upgrade, rather than hardware?
 
I just got my Air Pure with Surreal Sound Pro yesterday... It is OK, but am somewhat underwhelmed by the sound... I am a music junkie, so it matters... I use mostly Apple Music with "lossless" settings. The volume is capped relatively low, and there much less adjustability on EQ than other cars I have owned with high end systems. Any tips? Is SS Pro a software only upgrade, rather than hardware?
Any car that offers a trial means the hardware is the same but the function is activated by the software. This is the case for Grand Touring but I am not sure about Pure.

I agree that the 3-slider EQ is weak and needs to be more robust.

Taping up the 2 holes on the left wall next to the driver's left foot might help the bass.


If you want more bass, you might want to get your own traditional ported subwoofer enclosure.

 
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The above link should help you out. Tidal HiFI Plus to my ears sounds better than Apple CarPlay “lossless”.
 
I just got my Air Pure with Surreal Sound Pro yesterday... It is OK, but am somewhat underwhelmed by the sound... I am a music junkie, so it matters... I use mostly Apple Music with "lossless" settings. The volume is capped relatively low, and there much less adjustability on EQ than other cars I have owned with high end systems. Any tips? Is SS Pro a software only upgrade, rather than hardware?

Sound systems are very much a subjective thing. If you are "underwhelmed" chances are you are more accustomed to "BASS!!!!!!!!!!!" which the Lucid, thankfully to me, does not do. The engineers built a system designed to faithfully reproduce music the way the engineer intended. Which is not the way 90-percent of us are accustomed to listening. But for sound snobs, it is "the way." Totally understand if it's not your thing. Many here would agree with you.

Volume is quieter than you are likely used to as well. But it's mostly the math on the slider. I find when I want loud, I have to push the volume slider up higher than I did on other systems. But that, too, is a good thing. It still gets plenty loud. Just not in a way that distorts the speakers.

SSPro is best enjoyed with ATMOS tracks. At the moment, the only way to get those is with a Tidal Hi-Fi subscription. Wireless and even wired CarPlay cannot do ATMOS, even though Apple has the files for many tracks. (Basically, anything they advertise as being available in "Spatial Audio" which is their term for surround in headphones.) Hopefully, Apple will release an update to CarPlay eventually that will enable ATMOS tracks. They have not as yet announced any plans to do this.

If you can't or don't want to listen via Tidal, the second best option is to get a USB stick and put lossless files on it. Plug that in and listen. Much better quality than any streaming service can offer in the Air.

The worst possible way to listen is via Spotify.


When it comes to EQ, my advice? Use your ears. Any "magic" settings you get from someone else on this forum will inevitably be perfect for them and the specific music they like only. A more fine-tuned EQ would be welcomed by many. Fortunately, Lucid can do that with a software update down the road.

I tend to adjust my eq according to what I'm listening to that day. Whether it be jazz, prog rock, or Swedish Death Metal. One eq setting does not fit all.


SSPro, up until recently, was a software-only upgrade. All Airs shipped with the complete hardware, and the software was set to offer Pro as a "free trial" for three months.

More recent cars, however, may have started shipping without certain hardware components. (Fewer speakers. No ATMOS amp). Not sure if that has started yet or is only planned for future cars. The free trial thing was a temporary fix to Lucid having built a LOT of cars that weren't selling a year ago. So they offered fully-speced cars at a cheaper rate, hoping to get some money back via conversions from the trial. Didn't work out so well.

So the short answer is—hard to know. Only Lucid can tell you if the SSPro hardware is in your particular vehicle. You purchased it, so the hardware should be present and the software should be set to turn it on.

Finally, do a search on this forum about the sound system and you will find threads about "tape" that sometimes causes issues for some owners. If your system really is lacking bass completely, or you are getting odd sounds that are similar to a blown speaker, you may be able to get a mobile tech to do a quick fix that will make the system sound a lot better.
 
I just got my Air Pure with Surreal Sound Pro yesterday... It is OK, but am somewhat underwhelmed by the sound... I am a music junkie, so it matters... I use mostly Apple Music with "lossless" settings. The volume is capped relatively low, and there much less adjustability on EQ than other cars I have owned with high end systems. Any tips? Is SS Pro a software only upgrade, rather than hardware?
see these threads as a starting point



 
you said the forbidden word
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We, are the audiophiles. That word is forbidden. You must bring us, an Atmos!
 
A disadvantage of a high end system is it makes you more critical of input sources.

This.

It's like learning to love coffee black. Not until you get the good bean and the proper grind and take your time with the bloom...
and you'll never go back, nor will you enjoy it otherwise once you know. If your coffee or your music doesn't push pause on the monkey brain you aren't doing it right.
 
My most immediate problem is the volume... I like progressive rock, fusion and even classical with some volume... It seems like my volume is always at high end of the system's volume range, and its not really very loud. I am wondering if this is a defect with my car?
 
My most immediate problem is the volume... I like progressive rock, fusion and even classical with some volume... It seems like my volume is always at high end of the system's volume range, and its not really very loud. I am wondering if this is a defect with my car?
No, it’s not a defect. If you read the FAQ on Lucidupdates.com it explains the volume. The car is calibrated so that 80% on the volume knob is about 79db, which is exactly what small to medium recording studios are calibrated to where zero on the fader is 79db and you can go 12db over that for max volume. I tested it with an SPL meter and each click on the volume wheel represents a 2db gain increase starting at zero going all the way up to 92db, which is painful. So if you set the wheel to 80% (as long as your source material is good fidelity), you’ll be hearing it at the same reference level it was mixed and mastered at. Most cars are not calibrated to pro-audio standards meaning the volume knob is a meaningless number, so at “6” (whatever that means?) in some cars it will sound very loud and if you cranked it higher it could cause distortion or damage the speakers. How the Lucid does it is definitely unusual and disorienting compared to other cars, but IMO having prior experience as an audio engineer/sound designer and mixer, I think it’s the right way to do it.

Find INXS track Mediate in Atmos in Tidal (make sure you have HiFI Plus enabled) and play it at 80% on the volume wheel and you’ll definitely be satisfied with the volume.
 
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Following up... After reporting my lack of enthusiasm for my Surround Sound Pro system I tried Tidal on HiFi subscription... I am now really happy with the system... Got goosebumps from hearing the rediscovered sound and fidelity
 
Sound systems are very much a subjective thing. If you are "underwhelmed" chances are you are more accustomed to "BASS!!!!!!!!!!!" which the Lucid, thankfully to me, does not do. The engineers built a system designed to faithfully reproduce music the way the engineer intended. Which is not the way 90-percent of us are accustomed to listening. But for sound snobs, it is "the way." Totally understand if it's not your thing. Many here would agree with you.

Volume is quieter than you are likely used to as well. But it's mostly the math on the slider. I find when I want loud, I have to push the volume slider up higher than I did on other systems. But that, too, is a good thing. It still gets plenty loud. Just not in a way that distorts the speakers.

SSPro is best enjoyed with ATMOS tracks. At the moment, the only way to get those is with a Tidal Hi-Fi subscription. Wireless and even wired CarPlay cannot do ATMOS, even though Apple has the files for many tracks. (Basically, anything they advertise as being available in "Spatial Audio" which is their term for surround in headphones.) Hopefully, Apple will release an update to CarPlay eventually that will enable ATMOS tracks. They have not as yet announced any plans to do this.

If you can't or don't want to listen via Tidal, the second best option is to get a USB stick and put lossless files on it. Plug that in and listen. Much better quality than any streaming service can offer in the Air.

The worst possible way to listen is via Spotify.


When it comes to EQ, my advice? Use your ears. Any "magic" settings you get from someone else on this forum will inevitably be perfect for them and the specific music they like only. A more fine-tuned EQ would be welcomed by many. Fortunately, Lucid can do that with a software update down the road.

I tend to adjust my eq according to what I'm listening to that day. Whether it be jazz, prog rock, or Swedish Death Metal. One eq setting does not fit all.


SSPro, up until recently, was a software-only upgrade. All Airs shipped with the complete hardware, and the software was set to offer Pro as a "free trial" for three months.

More recent cars, however, may have started shipping without certain hardware components. (Fewer speakers. No ATMOS amp). Not sure if that has started yet or is only planned for future cars. The free trial thing was a temporary fix to Lucid having built a LOT of cars that weren't selling a year ago. So they offered fully-speced cars at a cheaper rate, hoping to get some money back via conversions from the trial. Didn't work out so well.

So the short answer is—hard to know. Only Lucid can tell you if the SSPro hardware is in your particular vehicle. You purchased it, so the hardware should be present and the software should be set to turn it on.

Finally, do a search on this forum about the sound system and you will find threads about "tape" that sometimes causes issues for some owners. If your system really is lacking bass completely, or you are getting odd sounds that are similar to a blown speaker, you may be able to get a mobile tech to do a quick fix that will make the system sound a lot better.
I reread this post and was wondering about your comment regarding missing componentry...

Are you suggesting that my car which has SSPro on the option list and window sticker cost of $2900 might not be on my car??
 
I reread this post and was wondering about your comment regarding missing componentry...

Are you suggesting that my car which has SSPro on the option list and window sticker cost of $2900 might not be on my car??
If you play this track and it says Dolby Atmos and plays correctly in the speakers the voice says, then you have SSPro. The Monroney sticker just lists options, not necessarily all options purchased.
 
Following up... After reporting my lack of enthusiasm for my Surround Sound Pro system I tried Tidal on HiFi subscription... I am now really happy with the system... Got goosebumps from hearing the rediscovered sound and fidelity
I’ve had moments like that too once I got SSPro working. My most recent being REM’s Murmur Atmos mix. Whoever did this new mix of that record really knew what they were doing, everything has shocking clarity, punchiness, and it just flat out rocks. 😮
 
If you play this track and it says Dolby Atmos and plays correctly in the speakers the voice says, then you have SSPro. The Monroney sticker just lists options, not necessarily all options purchased.
It is on the window sticker with my VIN number, and it is on my sales agreement as listed equipment, If it does not have SSP it would be misrepresentation and fraud.. I cannot believe Lucid would do this...
 
Oh if it’s in your sales agreement then you definitely have it. Monroney stickers do not always list options as purchased, and don’t list trial period items, ignore that.
 
I reread this post and was wondering about your comment regarding missing componentry...

Are you suggesting that my car which has SSPro on the option list and window sticker cost of $2900 might not be on my car??
Remember you need to have Tidal HiFi+ for Atmos tracks. Tidal HiFi will not provide that.
 
Remember you need to have Tidal HiFi+ for Atmos tracks. Tidal HiFi will not provide that.
I think he means the Car Tidal playback quality settings says “HiFi” which in the car means HiFI+ subscription. It’s confusing, Tidal does not do a good job of clarifying how to use it optimally and the fact that the car app, CarPlay app, and desktop app don’t have the same features between them makes it even more silly. I’ll choke it down because the audio quality is so good and they pay artists triple what Spotify does, but they need to standardize their stuff across interfaces and make it so you don’t have to spend so much time finding what you’re looking for, making playlists, liking tracks, etc.
 
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