Anyone know of bidirectional charging status?

I have a theory—maybe they don’t want people using EA’s free charging to power their homes. If they released V2H, it could encourage cost-conscious users to take advantage of it, leaving Lucid's EA division with a massive bill or inability to buy further network time. Lol. Thoughts @Denali_Dane ?
I mean, you'd have to have some serious time on your hands to run to EA, spend an hour waiting to charge to 100%, then running back to your house to power your refrigerator.

My guess is the number of people willing to do this to save a couple of bucks is in the tens. At most.
 
But really, how much can you sell a kw/hr back to your local electric company? Figure in the time it takes to drive there, charge and back - is this a serious worry???
 
Really DeaneG? What agreement are you - NEM 2? Can you really get $0.60 back per kWh or is it a credit?

Even then it’s greater than an hour of your time, more if you have to wait for a charger…
 
Really DeaneG? What agreement are you - NEM 2? Can you really get $0.60 back per kWh or is it a credit?

Even then it’s greater than an hour of your time, more if you have to wait for a charger…
It's not worth the time IMO. I'm on NEM3 now but back in my NEM2 days, getting $0.66/kWh credit would've been easy.
 
Yeah, the advantage is when they shut your power off locally for high winds, you could drive to EA, charge up and voila!
That is if you had V2H. Or I could spend $60k for equivalent battery back up 🤔
 
I have a theory—maybe they don’t want people using EA’s free charging to power their homes. If they released V2H, it could encourage cost-conscious users to take advantage of it, leaving Lucid's EA division with a massive bill or inability to buy further network time. Lol. Thoughts @Denali_Dane ?
Well people are smart and devious to save a buck so that would be a way they could.
It would not suprize me at all if their is someone or several someone's out their who would try that.
 
It would be great if they offered two options…one like the current “dongle” on the Ioniq 5 that can be connected to the charge port and allow you to plug a standard plug into it and get 110 volts with 20 or 30 amps continuously. That is mostly software based and perhaps a $150 hardware purchase.

The second would be a robust, full home V2H integration allowing you to “island” your home from the grid and back feed at the highest sustainable rate the Air is capable of delivering. This would obviously be a lot more expensive hardware-wise in the home, but should still just be software and a moderately expensive bi-directional charger from Lucid (or a licensed 3rd party). Even if that costs $5,000 - $10,000 all-in (both the bidirectional charger AND associated electrical updates / work in the home), it would replace the need for an integrated backup generator and the batteries are large enough (even in a Pure) to provide 24-72 hours of whole house power…



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It would be great if they offered two options…one like the current “dongle” on the Ioniq 5 that can be connected to the charge port and allow you to plug a standard plug into it and get 110 volts with 20 or 30 amps continuously. That is mostly software based and perhaps a $150 hardware purchase.

The second would be a robust, full home V2H integration allowing you to “island” your home from the grid and back feed at the highest sustainable rate the Air is capable of delivering. This would obviously be a lot more expensive hardware-wise in the home, but should still just be software and a moderately expensive bi-directional charger from Lucid (or a licensed 3rd party). Even if that costs $5,000 - $10,000 all-in (both the bidirectional charger AND associated electrical updates / work in the home), it would replace the need for an integrated backup generator and the batteries are large enough (even in a Pure) to provide 24-72 hours of whole house power…



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Blue: Perfect - I want Option 1 ASAP. (BTW - I was just on Rt 95 near Savannah Ga. and passed a carrier full of Ioniq's. I guess the plant near there has started operation.)
 
It would be great if they offered two options…one like the current “dongle” on the Ioniq 5 that can be connected to the charge port and allow you to plug a standard plug into it and get 110 volts with 20 or 30 amps continuously. That is mostly software based and perhaps a $150 hardware purchase.

The second would be a robust, full home V2H integration allowing you to “island” your home from the grid and back feed at the highest sustainable rate the Air is capable of delivering. This would obviously be a lot more expensive hardware-wise in the home, but should still just be software and a moderately expensive bi-directional charger from Lucid (or a licensed 3rd party). Even if that costs $5,000 - $10,000 all-in (both the bidirectional charger AND associated electrical updates / work in the home), it would replace the need for an integrated backup generator and the batteries are large enough (even in a Pure) to provide 24-72 hours of whole house power…



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The LCHCS and the "Wunderbox" are supposed to already be "bi-directional" and supposedly will allow up to 19kW to move to the house. However, as you mentioned there will be additional hardware required to remove the house from the grid to provide backup power in an outage. I believe all of that hardware has been identified and should be similar to the hardware used by backup generators. But Lucid is holding up the release either because of problems with the utilities or else potential liability issues. My comments are speculation but I have been waiting three years for this feature and have had some conversations with personnel at Lucid who should be "in the know".
 
I’m guessing they want to address this scenario somehow even though highly unlikely … get free fast charging at EA then bring the power back home or someplace else?
 
The LCHCS and the "Wunderbox" are supposed to already be "bi-directional" and supposedly will allow up to 19kW to move to the house. However, as you mentioned there will be additional hardware required to remove the house from the grid to provide backup power in an outage. I believe all of that hardware has been identified and should be similar to the hardware used by backup generators. But Lucid is holding up the release either because of problems with the utilities or else potential liability issues. My comments are speculation but I have been waiting three years for this feature and have had some conversations with personnel at Lucid who should be "in the know".
But Lefty, those with solar power already have this in place...And vetted by the local utility. So frustrating
 
But Lefty, those with solar power already have this in place...And vetted by the local utility. So frustrating
I hear you loud and clear. I have had solar for over 7 years. I was about to purchase a backup generator (would run off of household gas) but then I bought the Lucid and the LCHCS assuming V2H was just around the corner. Tesla batteries way to expensive in my opinion but now I've been waiting for quite a while with no specific information about when the V2H will come to fruition. I know and can appreciate that Lucid management has "bigger fish to fry" regarding pushing out the new models (Gravity and Earth) and I do applaud those efforts as well as the continuing improvements in our software but unless I'm missing something key I just don't understand why Ford has been able to provide V2H to some of their customers but Lucid is still in the "development" stages???
 
I’m guessing they want to address this scenario somehow even though highly unlikely … get free fast charging at EA then bring the power back home or someplace else?
I doubt that. It’s hugely time consuming, inefficient and saves very little money. If someone driving a $75,000 - $250,000 car needs to do that, the World has really gone off the rails!
 
But Lefty, those with solar power already have this in place...And vetted by the local utility. So frustrating
Exactly. I already have 40kWh backup batteries in place and go off grid with a toggle on my cell phone…it’s really not Lucid’s issue for the homeowner to get the hardware in place to isolate the home and use the power, they just need to get us the software and cable to get the power out of the card using some industry standard communication protocol…and perhaps that last piece is the issue?
 
V2L would be easier than V2H. Exactly what is holding it up?
It seems to me that Lucid is drifting behind other makes on AA, V2L, and keyfobs.
 
Are those cables made from gold?
They're 40-amp bidirectional mobile charging EVSEs, not just a cable. The price is a little high but not absurd.
 
V2L would be easier than V2H. Exactly what is holding it up?
It seems to me that Lucid is drifting behind other makes on AA, V2L, and keyfobs.
V2L was never promised. I’d be thrilled if they produce an adapter for it, but I would not spend any time whatsoever expecting it.

V2H was promised, however, and they say it is still coming. Last I spoke to some folks, they really want both V2H and AA out (not necessarily in that order, haha) and cannot wait until they are, but both had faced hurdles. AA we now know appears to be waiting on Google, and I’m not sure about V2H but I’d guess some regulatory thing. Just speculating though.
 
V2L was never promised. I’d be thrilled if they produce an adapter for it, but I would not spend any time whatsoever expecting it.

V2H was promised, however, and they say it is still coming. Last I spoke to some folks, they really want both V2H and AA out (not necessarily in that order, haha) and cannot wait until they are, but both had faced hurdles. AA we now know appears to be waiting on Google, and I’m not sure about V2H but I’d guess some regulatory thing. Just speculating though.
Maybe this will expedite Lucid V2H.
 
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