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Very well articulated points
Well, I’m a living proof of able to go across half country in non-Tesla SC network despite friends advised not to.At 370 miles range on Plaid fully charged it makes it a nice road trip car that is pretty reliable so I just wanted to say I do agree Tesla is reliable network.
At 370 miles range on Plaid fully charged it makes it a nice road trip car that is pretty reliable so I just wanted to say I do agree Tesla is reliable network.
Well, I’m a living proof of able to go across half country in non-Tesla SC network despite friends advised not to.
Next time I will try with Lucid Air go farther than just Houston-Dallas. I don’t think EA is that bad, maybe just very bad in east coast seaboard.
We do have stock 19s wheel cover and mostly autopilotWe typically get only about 72-73% of rated range (348 miles on 21" wheels) when driving our Plaid at sustained highway speeds (~80 mph) on road trips. Although our Air also suffers range loss at similar speeds, it is a bit less (78-80%), and the rated range of the Air Dream P (451 miles) is about 100 miles more than the Plaid.
In real-world driving on road trips, where we typically charge up to 90% at charging stops, this gives us about 90 miles more range in the Air:
Tesla: 348 EPA x .90 x .72 = 225 miles.
Lucid: 451 EPA x .90 x .78 = 316 miles.
As a counterpoint, I’ve done 6 multi day / multi week road trips on and around the west coast and have never had an EA issue, and have never had “CCS anxiety”.I am a huge advocate for EVs and since 2018 have influenced, at least partially, seven friends and relatives to buy EVs, with another planning to do so when his ICE lease expires. All find their EVs (two VW ID.4s, Mustang Mach-E, Tesla Model Y, two Tesla Model 3s, Chevy Bolt EUV) to be the the most enjoyable cars they've ever owned. Also, all have private home charging, except one who has to use a public L2 plug in the garage of his condo building.
Every single one of the non-Tesla EV owners I know has experienced problems with CCS roadside charging.
Sadly, after over a year of dealing with the deteriorating situation at CCS DC fast chargers -- particularly Electrify America's -- I no longer recommend any EV other than a Tesla to friends who would not also have an ICE car for long road trips.
Even in our household, where we find the Lucid Air a much better road car than our Model S Plaid, we are now opting for the Tesla for long trips in order to avoid CCS anxiety. Fortunately, the vast majority of our driving -- even treks across Florida and back -- is within the range of the Lucid without having to recharge.
One of the reasons I've decided not to move from our Dream Performance to a Sapphire is the likelihood of reduced range in this deteriorating CCS charging climate.
Go buy yourself a lotto ticket because you must be the luckiest man alive! My experience is the complete opposite doing numerous trips from SoCal to NorCal.As a counterpoint, I’ve done 6 multi day / multi week road trips on and around the west coast and have never had an EA issue, and have never had “CCS anxiety”.
Excellent post and the exact same things I hear from other EV drivers and the concerns I hear from non EV drivers who will not buy because of the crap chargers. Just tonight I was up north to meet friends for dinner and stopped at a 4 stall EA location. Lo and behold three stalls were open and I plugged into a 350kw charger ( had to use the app because plug and charge just doesn’t seem to work anymore) within 5 minutes all stalls were filled and we had three waiters, one of whom left in disgust after 10 minutes. I noticed my car started charging at 134kw at 20 %SOC but soon was down to 104kw. The ionic next to me was charging at 148kw at 30 % SOC. What the hell? What’s the purpose of having a 900 volt architecture if you can never seem to utilize it? Tesla can’t open their chargers fast enough to other makes for me.I am a huge advocate for EVs and since 2018 have influenced, at least partially, seven friends and relatives to buy EVs, with another planning to do so when his ICE lease expires. All find their EVs (two VW ID.4s, Mustang Mach-E, Tesla Model Y, two Tesla Model 3s, Chevy Bolt EUV) to be the the most enjoyable cars they've ever owned. Also, all have private home charging, except one who has to use a public L2 plug in the garage of his condo building.
Every single one of the non-Tesla EV owners I know has experienced problems with CCS roadside charging.
Sadly, after over a year of dealing with the deteriorating situation at CCS DC fast chargers -- particularly Electrify America's -- I no longer recommend any EV other than a Tesla to friends who would not also have an ICE car for long road trips.
Even in our household, where we find the Lucid Air a much better road car than our Model S Plaid, we are now opting for the Tesla for long trips in order to avoid CCS anxiety. Fortunately, the vast majority of our driving -- even treks across Florida and back -- is within the range of the Lucid without having to recharge.
One of the reasons I've decided not to move from our Dream Performance to a Sapphire is the likelihood of reduced range in this deteriorating CCS charging climate.
ditto-- I no longer recommend any EV other than a Tesla to friends who would not also have an ICE car for long road trips.
had to wait over an hour while a crew finished "routine maintenance" at the location.
a relay,
Most definitely CA is much further along than any other State. I doubt that would be your experience in the Midwest, unless you could use a Tesla Supercharger. Wish other EV charging companies would emulate Tesla Supercharging asap. It can’t get here fast enough. So nice with Tesla, just get out, plug in and fill up. Plus, lots of choices where to do it. That is the way it needs to be. Easy.As a counterpoint, I’ve done 6 multi day / multi week road trips on and around the west coast and have never had an EA issue, and have never had “CCS anxiety”.
The one trip I did in my rented Model Y to Sacramento had me praying it would make it there, and when we got to a supercharger it was *packed* with cars waiting to charge. I didn’t have a choice but to wait (because of the low charge), but it was unpleasant.
Of course that’s not everyone’s experience, but it does seem the west coast has better EA in general than the east coast.
I’ve sold both my ICE cars and have no hesitation to take my Lucid on a long road trip; in fact, my friend is borrowing it in a couple weeks for a trip to LA while I’m out of the country and I’m not at all concerned he’ll be left stranded somewhere.
Ioniq5 has 800 volt architecture. I have eerie feeling that possible bc Lucid is free and larger battery size, EA may just set limit not to let Air drain too fast of its reservoir. Either that assumption or that station is too busy to replenish electricity fast enough from grid. I was very surprised Rivian at 400 volt is being charged at 205 kW to 145 kW prior to 50% SOC. I was assuming EA gives paying juice customers at faster transmission rate?I noticed my car started charging at 134kw at 20 %SOC but soon was down to 104kw. The ionic next to me was charging at 148kw at 30 % SOC. What the hell? What’s the purpose of having a 900 volt architecture if you can never seem to utilize it? Tesla can’t open their chargers fast enough to other makes for me.
You may be onto something there. I also believe in the second shooter theory from the grassy knollIoniq5 has 800 volt architecture. I have eerie feeling that possible bc Lucid is free and larger battery size, EA may just set limit not to let Air drain too fast of its reservoir. Either that assumption or that station is too busy to replenish electricity fast enough from grid. I was very surprised Rivian at 400 volt is being charged at 205 kW to 145 kW prior to 50% SOC. I was assuming EA gives paying juice customers at faster transmission rate?
ditto
I don't understand...what maintenance ? WTF are they doing?