Scheduled charging unreliable

[Alerion]

Quick question as this will be my first EV: Can you not just schedule charging via a smart level 2 charger and just ignore the vehicle settings?

 

[levsha]

Quick question as this will be my first EV: Can you not just schedule charging via a smart level 2 charger and just ignore the vehicle settings?

Looks like it doesn't work well (or not at all) with Lucid Air: if you leave the car connected to the charger that doesn't allow charge at that time, then the car doesn't start charging, goes into deep sleep eventually, and then, when the charger switches to "you can charge now" the car doesn't detect this as it is in the deep sleep mode and doesn't wake up on charger changing the state.
The mitigation seems to be to manually wake up the car shortly after scheduled charging starts on the charger: using the phone app or an api automation.

 

[Alerion]

Looks like it doesn't work well (or not at all) with Lucid Air: if you leave the car connected to the charger that doesn't allow charge at that time, then the car doesn't start charging, goes into deep sleep eventually, and then, when the charger switches to "you can charge now" the car doesn't detect this as it is in the deep sleep mode and doesn't wake up on charger changing the state.
The mitigation seems to be to manually wake up the car shortly after scheduled charging starts on the charger: using the phone app or an api automation.

Geez, you’d think they would fix issues like this timely when it is an issue that people deal with daily. Guess not

 

[pyle112]

Looks like it doesn't work well (or not at all) with Lucid Air: if you leave the car connected to the charger that doesn't allow charge at that time, then the car doesn't start charging, goes into deep sleep eventually, and then, when the charger switches to "you can charge now" the car doesn't detect this as it is in the deep sleep mode and doesn't wake up on charger changing the state.
The mitigation seems to be to manually wake up the car shortly after scheduled charging starts on the charger: using the phone app or an api automation.

Any suggestions on an automation for an android? Haven't tried using automations before on my Samsung.

 

[DeaneG]

Any suggestions on an automation for an android? Haven't tried using automations before on my Samsung.

If you can, it's easier to just use the car's scheduled charging feature, which usually works for most people. Lucid has said they are working on improving the car's scheduled charging operation via a software update. So far they haven't discussed any specifics or a timeline, so it could be quite a while coming.

 

[pyle112]

If you can, it's much easier to just use the car's scheduled charging feature, which usually works for most people. Lucid has said they are working on improving the car's scheduled charging operation via a software update. So far they haven't discussed any specifics or a timeline.

Problem is my other car (Volvo) does not have vehicle based scheduling. Additionally while the lucid has a start time it does not have a stop time, so it continues charging outside my time of use.

 

[levsha]

Any suggestions on an automation for an android? Haven't tried using automations before on my Samsung.

I'm only aware of HomeAssistant based automation.

 

[pyle112]

I'm only aware of HomeAssistant based automation.

I think I can use Google home to run the automation. Thanks! Hopefully this is a temporary work around.

 

[DeaneG]

I think I can use Google home to run the automation...

I'd be interested in what you did using Google Home, if you find an arrangement that works.

 

[borski]

I'm only aware of HomeAssistant based automation.

You should also be able to use Apple
Shortcuts and Google’s equivalent; @joec set up a few Apple shortcuts in the past.

 

[pyle112]

I'd be interested in what you did using Google Home, if you find an arrangement that works.

In Google home I created a custom automation "open lucid app" and scheduled it to run at midnight every day. I'll see if it works tonight, but I'm not sure if it can run the automation on my phone unfortunately.

 

[jvflyer]

I just bought my Touring last week. I have to say that the schedule charging system in the Lucid is very disappointing and quite primitive compared to my Model S Tesla.
I live in Southern California and I would like to take advantage of the "time-of-use" utility rates. In my region, TOU rates are cheapest from midnight until 6 am. After 6 am, the rates go way up.
From what I've learned in my car, you can schedule a start time, but you cannot schedule an end time. If you schedule your start time shortly after midnight and plug your vehicle in the evening, the vehicle doesn't appear to know if midnight means "next-day-midnight", or "current-day-midnight". In my case, the car started charging the moment I plugged the vehicle instead of waiting until midnight.
Second problem I see is that you cannot control the rate of charging but controlling the amp rate going into the vehicle. I have solar panels and home battery system and sometimes I want to charge the car without pulling electricity from the grid. To accomplish this, I need to ramp down the rate of charging so my solar system can supply what I need for the car. This is something that I could control from my app in my Tesla.
Unless I am missing something (again, I bought my car only last week), I really hope the Lucid SW people are "borrowing" ideas from Tesla to implement this easy-to-use features.

 

[borski]

I just bought my Touring last week. I have to say that the schedule charging system in the Lucid is very disappointing and quite primitive compared to my Model S Tesla.
I live in Southern California and I would like to take advantage of the "time-of-use" utility rates. In my region, TOU rates are cheapest from midnight until 6 am. After 6 am, the rates go way up.
From what I've learned in my car, you can schedule a start time, but you cannot schedule an end time. If you schedule your start time shortly after midnight and plug your vehicle in the evening, the vehicle doesn't appear to know if midnight means "next-day-midnight", or "current-day-midnight". In my case, the car started charging the moment I plugged the vehicle instead of waiting until midnight.

From the manual, on page 181:

Charging Schedule and Flexibility
Charging will be automatically scheduled to start at the designated time when you connect your vehicle to an AC charger located within a 200m radius of the specified location. If you happen to plug in your vehicle after the scheduled time, charging will commence immediately. This grace period lasts for a maximum of 12 hours following the scheduled time. For example, if you have set the scheduled time for 9:00 PM and you arrive home after having dinner at 10:00 PM, the charging process will start immediately upon plugging in at 10:00 PM. However, if you return from lunch at 2:00 PM and connect your vehicle, the charging will be scheduled to begin at 10:00 PM.

I agree it's confusing btw; I wish they would just let you set a start and end time.

Second problem I see is that you cannot control the rate of charging but controlling the amp rate going into the vehicle. I have solar panels and home battery system and sometimes I want to charge the car without pulling electricity from the grid. To accomplish this, I need to ramp down the rate of charging so my solar system can supply what I need for the car. This is something that I could control from my app in my Tesla.

Correct; at the moment there is no way to do this via software, unfortunately.

 

[DeaneG]

... If you schedule your start time shortly after midnight and plug your vehicle in the evening...the car started charging the moment I plugged the vehicle instead of waiting until midnight....

There are definitely at least a couple bugs in the implementation.

 

[inthewoods]

After car was returned from being serviced for a couple of issues, including scheduled charging not following schedule, scheduled charging worked twice.

But, since then, it has stopped working. When scheduled button is enabled and time set for 12:05 a.m, charging starts right away. This is in mid-afternoon. I stop it. Then it immediately resumes. This happens three times in a row. I stop it each time. I go to the house and look at the app and it indicates that charging is in progress. I stop it. Later, my phone shows a notice that charging is in progress. I stop it. And so on.

 

[DeaneG]

After car was returned from being serviced for a couple of issues, including scheduled charging not following schedule, scheduled charging worked twice.

But, since then, it has stopped working. When scheduled button is enabled and time set for 12:05 a.m, charging starts right away. This is in mid-afternoon. I stop it. Then it immediately resumes. This happens three times in a row. I stop it each time. I go to the house and look at the app and it indicates that charging is in progress. I stop it. Later, my phone shows a notice that charging is in progress. I stop it. And so on.

It used to be that the trick was: never open the phone app while the car is plugged in and waiting for the beginning of the scheduled charging time.
I'm not sure if that is still an issue.

 

[jvflyer]

From the manual, on page 181:


I agree it's confusing btw; I wish they would just let you set a start and end time.


Correct; at the moment there is no way to do this via software, unfortunately.

Thanks for your feedback.
There appears to be another glitch: my wall charging unit is an 8-year-old Tesla device. The Lucid software does not seem to be compatible with this device for scheduled charging features.
I've already ordered the Lucid wall unit so I hope the glitches I've experienced will no longer be an issue.
I'm just not very impressed...I've never had any issues with my old Tesla wall charger with various EVs from recent model years.

 

[DeaneG]

Thanks for your feedback.
There appears to be another glitch: my wall charging unit is an 8-year-old Tesla device. The Lucid software does not seem to be compatible with this device for scheduled charging features.
I've already ordered the Lucid wall unit so I hope the glitches I've experienced will no longer be an issue.
I'm just not very impressed...I've never had any issues with my old Tesla wall charger with various EVs from recent model years.

Sorry to have to say this, but I don't think swapping to Lucid's charging station will fix the problem you described. It's the Air's issue with every Level 2 changing station, including Lucid's own.
There is a particular series of steps you can take to get scheduled charging to work most of the time. Maybe someone who knows them can post here.

 

[DeaneG]

I'm beginning to think that something in the Air's hardware design prevents their software engineers from creating a reasonably capable implementation of scheduled charging. Otherwise, it is difficult to explain its state after three years in the market.

 

[jvflyer]

I'm beginning to think that something in the Air's hardware design prevents their software engineers from creating a reasonably capable implementation of scheduled charging. Otherwise, it is difficult to explain its state after three years in the market.

I hope you are wrong. It's nearly impossible to get a manufacturer to make hardware changes o retrofit the fleet already out there.
I agree, it's hard to explain why Lucid is so far behind this seemingly basic issue.