Lucid vs Tesla self drive software

Looking at moving from an aging Tesla M3 to an updated version vs making the jump to Lucid. What are users' experiences with the Lucid equivalent of FSD vs Tesla current state. Interested in how they compare if there are folks who have experienced both. On balance Tesla is a long way from true FSD, but it is still a very useful product particularly on the highway in my experience. Thanks in advance!
I've driven model s with fsd for 8 years. Tesla is way ahead in terms of "FSD" and just software in general. there is no comparison in software.

Lucid is more comfortable, more space, usability, range, significantly less road/wind noise, and much more fun to drive. hard to explain, go test drive one
 
I've driven model s with fsd for 8 years. Tesla is way ahead in terms of "FSD" and just software in general. there is no comparison in software.

Lucid is more comfortable, more space, usability, range, significantly less road/wind noise, and much more fun to drive. hard to explain, go test drive one
I think there is a lot more nuance here than your post would indicate. I drove a Tesla M3P for 6+ years, now have an Air GT and am basing my comments below on these experiences.

1. If “Full Self Driving” door to door is your desire, you can stop reading here…Tesla currently does a significantly better job at this AND Lucid has been fairly public about the fact that while they will continue refining Dream Drive Pro to achieve Level 3 autonomy on highways, they are NOT pursuing the ability for their cars to drive themselves door to door. No Robotaxis here…Lucid is a driver’s car. FWIW, it had FSD in my Tesla and never used it beyond the highway and often disengaged it even there because I HATED the way it drove (even the most recent version). I do not want an algorithm deciding when I should pass, what lane I should be in, etc. I found the experience to be eerily unsettling. One other point? Tesla has had a HUGE head-start in “self driving” tech. When I first purchased my Tesla in 2018 (when Tesla had been around a lot longer already than Lucid has been now), I purchased “Full Self Driving” and it was a joke — far less functional than DDP is today. In fact, its phantom braking issues and inability to stay engaged for more than ten minutes were so bad that I would not even use it at the “Enhanced Autopilot” level for my first three years of ownership. DDP can be a bit “quirky” at times but I find it highly usable and predictable whereas EAP / FSD was downright dangerous.

2. On the “software in general” front, this is where I really personally disagree with your post. I greatly prefer Lucid’s software to Tesla’s. Yes, there are features that were available in Tesla’s software suite that are not available in my Lucid, but they are mostly “fringe” applications for me. Lucid’s UI is elegant — beautiful, in fact (just like all of their design), highly usable, intuitive and uncluttered. In contrast I found my Tesla’s UI to be downright vulgar. It’s cluttered (and has continually become more so over the years) completely unintuitive, needed to be rebooted at least weekly and the way in which they devised their hierarchical menu structure never seemed natural or user friendly to me. In fact, my wife drove our Tesla less than ten times in 6+ years because she hated interacting with the UI. She LOVES the Lucid. In her words, “this software just makes so much more sense.” I couldn’t agree more.

Like so much in life, generalities are often flawed and I believe especially with something as complex as a UI in a complex piece of equipment folks need to do their own homework and not trust ANYONE else’s experiences over their own. I greatly prefer the software / UI in my Licid to both Tesla’s and Hyundai’s UI’s (the only two current EV’s with which I am deeply familiar), but you may differ on those points!

3. I do believe that Car Play (and Android Auto, soon) both fit under the category of “software” and for anyone for whom these are important, Lucid has them (well, only Car Play as I type this, but AA is imminent) and Tesla does not, nor is it Tesla’s stated intention to ever have them.

But then there is literally EVERYTHING ELSE about the Lucid that IMHO is better than the driving experience offered by any Tesla if you enjoy driving a well-built, exceptionally handling vehicle. BTW, on this front I have driven every Tesla other than the Cybertruck numerous times and so my previous statement is informed by this.

The level of luxury, refinement and pure driving pleasure you’ll get in a Lucid blows Tesla away. But think about…why wouldn’t it? Lucid is a company full of car lovers who love driving building cars for car lovers who love to drive. Tesla has devoted most of its R&D over the past 5 years to FSD, Robotaxis and, yes, full on robots and AI. If that’s your thing — if you want to leave the driving to Tesla and don’t care about ride quality, refinement and/or luxury, Lucid is not — and never will be your brand.

On the other hand, if you DO care about ride quality, refinement and/or luxury? Well, Lucid truly does build The Best Damn Car.
 
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Looking at moving from an aging Tesla M3 to an updated version vs making the jump to Lucid. What are users' experiences with the Lucid equivalent of FSD vs Tesla current state. Interested in how they compare if there are folks who have experienced both. On balance Tesla is a long way from true FSD, but it is still a very useful product particularly on the highway in my experience. Thanks in advance!
If FSD and the software are important to you, stick with Tesla. If overall driving experience is paramount, Lucid has it hands down.
 
I think there is a lot more nuance here than your post would indicate. I drove a Tesla M3P for 6+ years, now have an Air GT and am basing my comments below on these experiences.

1. If “Full Self Driving” door to door is your desire, you can stop reading here…Tesla currently does a significantly better job at this AND Lucid has been fairly public about the fact that while they will continue refining Dream Drive Pro to achieve Level 3 autonomy on highways, they are NOT pursuing the ability for their cars to drive themselves door to door. No Robotaxis here…Lucid is a driver’s car. FWIW, it had FSD in my Tesla and never used it beyond the highway and often disengaged it even there because I HATED the way it drove (even the most recent version). I do not want an algorithm deciding when I should pass, what lane I should be in, etc. I found the experience to be eerily unsettling. One other point? Tesla has had a HUGE head-start in “self driving” tech. When I first purchased my Tesla in 2018 (when Tesla had been around a lot longer already than Lucid has been now), I purchased “Full Self Driving” and it was a joke — far less functional than DDP is today. In fact, its phantom braking issues and inability to stay engaged for more than ten minutes were so bad that I would not even use it at the “Enhanced Autopilot” level for my first three years of ownership. DDP can be a bit “quirky” at times but I find it highly usable and predictable whereas EAP / FSD was downright dangerous.

2. On the “software in general” front, this is where I really personally disagree with your post. I greatly prefer Lucid’s software to Tesla’s. Yes, there are features that were available in Tesla’s software suite that are not available in my Lucid, but they are mostly “fringe” applications for me. Lucid’s UI is elegant — beautiful, in fact (just like all of their design), highly usable, intuitive and uncluttered. In contrast I found my Tesla’s UI to be downright vulgar. It’s cluttered (and has continually become more so over the years) completely unintuitive, needed to be rebooted at least weekly and the way in which they devised their hierarchical menu structure never seemed natural or user friendly to me. In fact, my wife drove our Tesla less than ten times in 6+ years because she hated interacting with the UI. She LOVES the Lucid. In her words, “this software just makes so much more sense.” I couldn’t agree more.

Like so much in life, generalities are often flawed and I believe especially with something as complex as a UI in a complex piece of equipment folks need to do their own homework and not trust ANYONE else’s experiences over their own. I greatly prefer the software / UI in my Licid to both Tesla’s and Hyundai’s UI’s (the only two current EV’s with which I am deeply familiar), but you may differ on those points!

3. I do believe that Car Play (and Android Auto, soon) both fit under the category of “software” and for anyone for whom these are important, Lucid has them (well, only Car Play as I type this, but AA is imminent) and Tesla does not, nor is it Tesla’s stated intention to ever have them.

But then there is literally EVERYTHING ELSE about the Lucid that IMHO is better than the driving experience offered by any Tesla if you enjoy driving a well-built, exceptionally handling vehicle. BTW, on this front I have driven every Tesla other than the Cybertruck numerous times and so my previous statement is informed by this.

The level of luxury, refinement and pure driving pleasure you’ll get in a Lucid blows Tesla away. But think about…why wouldn’t it? Lucid is a company full of car lovers who love driving building cars for car lovers who love to drive. Tesla has devoted most of its R&D over the past 5 years to FSD, Robotaxis and, yes, full on robots and AI. If that’s your thing — if you want to leave the driving to Tesla and don’t care about ride quality, refinement and/or luxury, Lucid is not — and never will be your brand.

On the other hand, if you DO care about ride quality, refinement and/or luxury? Well, Lucid truly does build The Best Damn Car.
2. I agree with you and prefer Lucid's UI over Tesla too, but there is more to software; stability, responsiveness, features and customization weight as much or as UX/UI depending on personal priorities.
 
I've driven model s with fsd for 8 years. Tesla is way ahead in terms of "FSD" and just software in general. there is no comparison in software.

Lucid is more comfortable, more space, usability, range, significantly less road/wind noise, and much more fun to drive. hard to explain, go test drive one
I have had a Model S for over a decade. I also had a newer HW3 car with FSD, which I got rid of when I got my Lucid. I've driven Teslas with HW4 and FSD a few times very recently. My take is somewhat different.

Autopilot on HW1 does pretty much what Lucid does now, except that there's no cooperative steering with Tesla. There's no lane biasing, and if you take over steering for the smallest thing, it disengages and stays disengaged until you turn it back on. Tesla's autopilot suite on that car, and to a large extent even on current cars, leaves out a lot of the monitoring that Lucid does. That includes cross traffic alerts both front and rear, automatic braking in reverse when cross traffic is detected, etc. Tesla's FSD will change lanes in more places where the Lucid is currently hesitant, but since I can change lanes by moving the steering wheel and autosteer will be back on after the lane change is completed, I'd give more points to Lucid. While I lose automatic lane changes in some places, Tesla also requires manual lane changes in some places, which is more awkward.

With FSD, I have to look at it as it stood at the end of 2023. At the time, FSD did not work well enough on local streets for me that I used it. Indeed, I enabled it with each new release, then disabled it after testing when it came up short. However, Navigate on Autopilot worked well on highways. Although it could change lanes on its own, in familiar areas I felt more comfortable doing it with the turn signal since I had a better idea of when to change lanes. In unfamiliar areas, it had a big edge. It could handle traffic in places like Los Angeles with clogged freeways where figuring out what lane to be in to get on the next freeway could be a chore. With FSD, I could watch the road, and watch other lanes whenever the car signaled, rather than spending time trying to read overhead signs around a curve and try to figure out how many lanes over I need to move. It's not an everyday concern for me but I'd still give Tesla the edge.

Given the parts that I considered most important, I ruled out getting the Lucid when my turn came up due to an early reservation. When I did get it, it had lane keeping and ACC, which for me was the bare minimum I was willing to accept, knowing that more features would be added. Since then, automatic driver initiated lane changes were added, putting me in a comfortable position for most highway driving. It took longer than I expected, but Luicid never promised a specific time frame. Tesia will give you the expected time frame. And it will be wrong.

In recent months, Tesla has done a great job of getting FSD to work well. It still requires an attentive driver, which I have no objections to. It does a great job of navigating on highways and local streets. I appreciate the job it does, but I'm also using it on a car that's not mine. So there's a greater chance that I'm less familiar with where I'd be going locally, making FSD more helpful. While it's fun, it would likely be much less important to me for day to day use.

Yes, I'd like Lucid to do more. But on balance it does everything I need most for typical freeway use. I don't like the idea that it wants to act as a nanny and not let me decide where to turn certain features on though.

As far as the rest of the software goes, I find Lucid's implementation to be much better laid out. With some things, such as displaying side view cameras in what I consider the proper place, not only does Tesla fall short by putting it on the center screen, even on the X and S that have binnacles, Lucid got the perspective right so it's similar to a side view mirror. Tesla's will show what the camera sees, but in a way that doesn't give me any sense of distance. Since those sorts of things actually affect my driving, I'd give the edge to Lucid.

Functionally, it's a mixed bag. For some things, such as climate control, Lucid does fine. Some things such as the trip computer don't really exist in the sense that they do on a Tesla. Tesla's navigation and mapping are ahead of where Lucid is in some ways. Both Tesla and Lucid fall short when it comes to USB audio support. But with Tesla it's gotten worse since I bough the cars, while with Lucid I hold out hope for improvement. There are other things missing in Lucid's software, many of which won't be problems for me once Android Auto is released.

For voice commands, I'd give Tesla the edge for vehicle specific things. Lucid's implementation is broader, and I miss some of the functionality that Alexa gave me. A problem with their Alexa implementation was that it lacked a few key Alexa functions, but since Lucid changed and promised to have more functionality in the future, I feel secure in the knowlege that if I'm driving along and have to know currency conversion rates or Grover Cleveland's shoe size, I can ask the car.

Overall, I prefer the Lucid. Although it would be nice to have it do everything that FSD does, I'd rather have a Lucid that does what Lucid does now with an expectation than it will do more in the future than have a Tesla with FSD. It's really up to any individual where to rank things. But actually having FSD is what moved it lower on my list, once I had an idea of what I really needed. I recognized which parts would be more for show than to offer me any relief from stressful or tedius driving, as Lucid and Tesla's original Autopilot do.
 
I think it's a little off-topic to go into, well Lucid does driving and interior, and build quality better. (Sure...i agree with that too). Since this thread is purely on ADAS, here's an objective test on FSD vs DDP.

TLDR: FSD is the best system they've ever tested. 0 disengagements.

Lucid's test on the other hand was really quite poor. Quite a few safety critical disengagements and dangerous swerving.
 
...TLDR: FSD is the best system they've ever tested. 0 disengagements.
Lucid's test on the other hand was really quite poor. Quite a few safety critical disengagements and dangerous swerving.
The Macan EV did great on the same test. Lucid's ADAS needs a couple more years of polishing.
 
Having recently rode in a Google Waymo car across town in a 45 minute drive through san francisco I suspect what will actually happen is that companies like tesla and lucid will just abandon their self driving software and license from Google. Its that good. I spent a good deal of that 45 minutes observing it's internal screen displaying what the car sees in real time around itself and it is pretty remarkable. I'll share 2 examples. I was sitting in the backseat of the car (its a jaguar, small suv). At one point I was wondering why the car had come to a stop. Well it saw a cyclist coming in fast and hot around the corner to my right about 5 seconds before I even saw him appear in my eye sight then another 3-5 seconds to pass in front of us. In a second situation, there was a man knelt down by his car picking up groceries. He was between two cars in front of his trunk. I did not even see a person there until we drove pass him but I did see him there inside the car's software real time detection. At one point we reached a street intersection red light. There was a car parked illegally in front of us. Waymo initially assumed a car stopped in front of the red light but only took about 5 seconds to figure out that car wasn't moving and made a very difficult left turn around the car. This was the only point in my ride that made me nervous. The ride was smooth the software was brilliant. I have also driven with waymos all around me which is not hard to find since they are everywhere in the streets of san francisco. My observation is that they drive A LOT better than the people in SF. People in the city is so used to waymo now, they don't even blink an eye at them anymore. Nobody whipping out their phones to film. The only gawkers now are tourists. But it seems to make sense to me that car companies will abandon their software based on how complex all of this is and what are the chances that even a company like tesla with their resources can do all the AI learning within a reasonable timeline. I saw an analyst on a investment show talk about how Tesla is completely silent on their self driving taxi and how the reported data shows google having 1 incident per 10,000 miles driven by waymo while Tesla had 1 incident per 100 miles driven. Its no wonder tesla hasn't done anymore with their software. AND having been in a friend's tesla where we almost plowed into a construction zone until we screamed at the driver to yank the wheel. I just don't think tesla's self driving is there. I would assume the same with Lucid. They're just going to wait until Google launches their software for licensing. Its much cheaper to do that imo.
 
Having recently rode in a Google Waymo car across town in a 45 minute drive through san francisco I suspect what will actually happen is that companies like tesla and lucid will just abandon their self driving software and license from Google. Its that good. I spent a good deal of that 45 minutes observing it's internal screen displaying what the car sees in real time around itself and it is pretty remarkable. I'll share 2 examples. I was sitting in the backseat of the car (its a jaguar, small suv). At one point I was wondering why the car had come to a stop. Well it saw a cyclist coming in fast and hot around the corner to my right about 5 seconds before I even saw him appear in my eye sight then another 3-5 seconds to pass in front of us. In a second situation, there was a man knelt down by his car picking up groceries. He was between two cars in front of his trunk. I did not even see a person there until we drove pass him but I did see him there inside the car's software real time detection. At one point we reached a street intersection red light. There was a car parked illegally in front of us. Waymo initially assumed a car stopped in front of the red light but only took about 5 seconds to figure out that car wasn't moving and made a very difficult left turn around the car. This was the only point in my ride that made me nervous. The ride was smooth the software was brilliant. I have also driven with waymos all around me which is not hard to find since they are everywhere in the streets of san francisco. My observation is that they drive A LOT better than the people in SF. People in the city is so used to waymo now, they don't even blink an eye at them anymore. Nobody whipping out their phones to film. The only gawkers now are tourists. But it seems to make sense to me that car companies will abandon their software based on how complex all of this is and what are the chances that even a company like tesla with their resources can do all the AI learning within a reasonable timeline. I saw an analyst on a investment show talk about how Tesla is completely silent on their self driving taxi and how the reported data shows google having 1 incident per 10,000 miles driven by waymo while Tesla had 1 incident per 100 miles driven. Its no wonder tesla hasn't done anymore with their software. AND having been in a friend's tesla where we almost plowed into a construction zone until we screamed at the driver to yank the wheel. I just don't think tesla's self driving is there. I would assume the same with Lucid. They're just going to wait until Google launches their software for licensing. Its much cheaper to do that imo.
Exactly, think about this When Muck, I mean Musk announces Robotaxi is here, would you trust your life in his car or a Waymo.

No need to get all technical….only Tesla fanboys will risk their life in a Robotaxi
 
Exactly, think about this When Muck, I mean Musk announces Robotaxi is here, would you trust your life in his car or a Waymo.

No need to get all technical….only Tesla fanboys will risk their life in a Robotaxi
I agree. My only question is how expensive would a vehicle be to have all the sensors that the Waymos have?
 
Having recently rode in a Google Waymo car across town in a 45 minute drive through san francisco I suspect what will actually happen is that companies like tesla and lucid will just abandon their self driving software and license from Google. Its that good. I spent a good deal of that 45 minutes observing it's internal screen displaying what the car sees in real time around itself and it is pretty remarkable. I'll share 2 examples. I was sitting in the backseat of the car (its a jaguar, small suv). At one point I was wondering why the car had come to a stop. Well it saw a cyclist coming in fast and hot around the corner to my right about 5 seconds before I even saw him appear in my eye sight then another 3-5 seconds to pass in front of us. In a second situation, there was a man knelt down by his car picking up groceries. He was between two cars in front of his trunk. I did not even see a person there until we drove pass him but I did see him there inside the car's software real time detection. At one point we reached a street intersection red light. There was a car parked illegally in front of us. Waymo initially assumed a car stopped in front of the red light but only took about 5 seconds to figure out that car wasn't moving and made a very difficult left turn around the car. This was the only point in my ride that made me nervous. The ride was smooth the software was brilliant. I have also driven with waymos all around me which is not hard to find since they are everywhere in the streets of san francisco. My observation is that they drive A LOT better than the people in SF. People in the city is so used to waymo now, they don't even blink an eye at them anymore. Nobody whipping out their phones to film. The only gawkers now are tourists. But it seems to make sense to me that car companies will abandon their software based on how complex all of this is and what are the chances that even a company like tesla with their resources can do all the AI learning within a reasonable timeline. I saw an analyst on a investment show talk about how Tesla is completely silent on their self driving taxi and how the reported data shows google having 1 incident per 10,000 miles driven by waymo while Tesla had 1 incident per 100 miles driven. Its no wonder tesla hasn't done anymore with their software. AND having been in a friend's tesla where we almost plowed into a construction zone until we screamed at the driver to yank the wheel. I just don't think tesla's self driving is there. I would assume the same with Lucid. They're just going to wait until Google launches their software for licensing. Its much cheaper to do that imo.
Have to agree that Waymo drives better than anything else I’ve seen by hundreds of miles. It’s quite impressive.

Yeah, I get it’s all geofenced and took tons of training on specific streets. But at the end of the day, it’s just better. It drives like an actual person drives.

I’m perfectly fine with self-driving ending up being a service mostly limited to cities. That alone would be a huge help with traffic congestion and the environment.
 
... I would assume the same with Lucid. They're just going to wait until Google launches their software for licensing...
I wouldn't hold my breath for that. Lucid won't even use Google maps or voice assistant, the best products in the industry by most measures, which are beginning to benefit from Google's own LLM expertise.
 
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