Gravity Orders Discussion

[hmp10]

If this is true that could be a deal breaker for many if you can’t charge at a super charger or the high power EA network.

I posed that question when @Adnillien mentioned that existing adapters might not handle the high-voltage of some CCS stations. However, when he later added that the Gravity is going to ship with a suitable adapter, my question became moot.

 

[hmp10]

From that inside EVs article:

"It’s also been conducting testing with Tesla Superchargers, seeing as the Gravity will ship from the factory with Tesla’s previously exclusive charging port design. (It’s one of the first such models since the entire auto industry announced it would migrate to Tesla’s plug.)

Lucid hasn’t officially announced access to Tesla’s charging network for its owners, but Bach says that will happen in advance of the first Gravity deliveries. "

Maybe there's a different part of the article that you're referencing, but I don't read this as Bach saying deliveries are constrained by supercharger access. I read it as him predicting that it will be done soon.

I agree it is ambiguous language. But that still leaves me with two questions. (1) If the deal is already locked in, why delay the announcement? Orders have already opened, and access to Superchargers is apparently a big deal to some potential buyers. And (2), if Bach thinks the deal is nearing completion but not yet nailed down enough to announce, why even bring it up and risk something going off track, leaving his comment out there as a potential embarrassment?

I have become deeply cynical about Elon Musk and suspicious of his true motives, especially since, with everything else on his plate, he bothered to propagate a lie about Rawlinson's role at Tesla. I have a feeling he was not happy with the Gravity's reception in the recent test drives. Having a charging agreement still under negotiation could be a very tempting toy for the cat to try to chew apart.

Regards,
Your Chief Worry Officer
(Thank you for that, @msaunders9430 )

 

[steveairgt]

It's not true. See above.

It seems these are still open questions.

Would Gravity, at launch, be able to charge at Tesla superchargers ?

Would Gravity, at launch, be able to charge at EA, with appropriate NACS to CCS adapter, and still be able to use the 350 kw?

Have we seen these answers officially from Lucid?

 

[steveairgt]

If Musk is really concerned about Gravity competition, it seems he can slow roll any Lucid/Tesla agreement. Just to piss off Lucid, scare customers, all because he controls the most sought after charging network. He can do what he wants given he has full support of our next President.

 

[hmp10]

If Musk is really concerned about Gravity competition, it seems he can slow roll any Lucid/Tesla agreement. Just to piss off Lucid, scare customers, all because he controls the most sought after charging network. He can do what he wants given he has full support of our next President.

I don't know that Musk feels he's in any competition with Lucid on the sales front. I think it's more about an ego grudge match he imagines with Rawlinson and is something he might devote more energy to than would be warranted by any rational concern for his manifold activities, automotive and otherwise.

Just an opinion.

 

[Tesla2Lucid]

What I'm questioning is why Lucid should delay Gravity deliveries until the Supercharger network opens up to Lucid, as Eric Bach said.

 

[tonybot]

It seems these are still open questions.

Would Gravity, at launch, be able to charge at Tesla superchargers ?

Would Gravity, at launch, be able to charge at EA, with appropriate NACS to CCS adapter, and still be able to use the 350 kw?

Have we seen these answers officially from Lucid?

See below. @Nick.Twork confirmed that there will be an adapter. I don’t think we should worry about it.

Post in thread 'Out of Spec Kyle - A.M.A. on Lucid Gravity'

Dec 11, 2024

It's not like there's a TON of room in the 3rd row but I can fit comfortably - I can in Kia EV9 as well. Really need to re-do our EV SUV comparisons next year with so many new ones coming on the market around now


It didn't sound like any major announcements other than the expected AC bidirectional up to 80A AC through NACS as well as V2V through RangeXChange


Should have asked them about adapters because there's no official automaker supported 1,000V CCS -> NACS adapter yet (the ones Tesla use are only 500V max) that would allow this vehicle to interface on public CCS chargers...

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[DeaneG]

See below. @Nick.Twork confirmed that there will be an adapter. I don’t think we should worry about it.

Right, and the good news is that both the CCS to NACS adapter, and charging at high power at a CCS stall, have nothing to do with anything Tesla.

 

[hmp10]

Right, and the good news is that both the CCS to NACS adapter, and charging at high power at a CCS stall, have nothing to do with anything Tesla.

Exactly. Which is why I wonder why Bach even brought Tesla up in the context of Gravity deliveries.

 

[hydbob]

Exactly. Which is why I wonder why Bach even brought Tesla up in the context of Gravity deliveries.

Without having an exact quote, I wouldn't put too much MORE thought into it, as besides that 1 article, nothing else has been found to support he even said as such.

 

[momo3605]

(1) If the deal is already locked in, why delay the announcement? Orders have already opened, and access to Superchargers is apparently a big deal to some potential buyers. And (2), if Bach thinks the deal is nearing completion but not yet nailed down enough to announce, why even bring it up and risk something going off track, leaving his comment out there as a potential embarrassment?

1. The Tesla deal announcements have all happened very imminent of going live. Rivian's announcement was only like 2 weeks prior of it going live. I think GMs announcement and going live was even shorter than 2 weeks, maybe it was the same day. I think that's just how Tesla likes to operate. Also no one knows how far away first deliveries will be. It could still be months.

2. There's nothing to risk. It's obvious that the supercharger access will be granted for a car that ships with NACS. Like I've said many times, it would be ridiculous to release a car that can only be used with adapters. Not to mention those NACS/CCS adapters including the official Tesla one have been getting recalled left and right as well...That's not going to happen. Lucid isn't going to risk their reputation over something like that.

 

[New2Lucid]

As people start placing their design orders, I will look into putting together a tracker just like we did with the Air.

In the meantime, post your design builds here.

Is there any update on when first deliveries can be expected?

 

[borski]

I agree it is ambiguous language. But that still leaves me with two questions. (1) If the deal is already locked in, why delay the announcement? Orders have already opened, and access to Superchargers is apparently a big deal to some potential buyers. And (2), if Bach thinks the deal is nearing completion but not yet nailed down enough to announce, why even bring it up and risk something going off track, leaving his comment out there as a potential embarrassment?

I have become deeply cynical about Elon Musk and suspicious of his true motives, especially since, with everything else on his plate, he bothered to propagate a lie about Rawlinson's role at Tesla. I have a feeling he was not happy with the Gravity's reception in the recent test drives. Having a charging agreement still under negotiation could be a very tempting toy for the cat to try to chew apart.

Regards,
Your Chief Worry Officer
(Thank you for that, @msaunders9430 )

no armchair worrying

 

[RD7]

I just noticed that Lucid has posted the EPA milage for all of the Gravity wheel options:

• 20/21 - 450
• 21/22 - 407
• 22/23 - 407

I'm surprised that the drop is so large between the 20/21 and 20/22s, but also that there is no difference for the 22/21 compared to the 21/22s.

 

[hmp10]

With year end rapidly approaching, I'm not seeing seeing any reports anywhere of deliveries being scheduled. Has anyone else?

I'm beginning to wonder if Kyle Conner's admonition about shipping Gravities without the software fully dialed in reflects what might be going on. Although I'm a lot less demanding of software features than most drivers today, I frankly agree with Conner that it would be a disaster for Lucid to start Gravity deliveries (except maybe to insiders who will stay quiet about it) with the software not fully ready to boogie this time around.

It looks as if it's going to be an absolutely stunning machine. Please, please Lucid, don't let software do to its early reputation what it did to the Air's, even at the price of significant delays.

The early adopters such as I were a bit more tolerant of the Air's early software travails and could see beyond them to the superb automotive engineering underlying the Air. But Gravity buyers are going to be a different lot with different expectations.

 

[HC_79]

With year end rapidly approaching, I'm not seeing seeing any reports anywhere of deliveries being scheduled. Has anyone else?

I'm beginning to wonder if Kyle Conner's admonition about shipping Gravities without the software fully dialed in reflects what might be going on. Although I'm a lot less demanding of software features than most drivers today, I frankly agree with Conner that it would be a disaster for Lucid to start Gravity deliveries (except maybe to insiders who will stay quiet about it) with the software not fully ready to boogie this time around.

It looks as if it's going to be an absolutely stunning machine. Please, please Lucid, don't let software do to its early reputation what it did to the Air's, even at the price of significant delays.

Crickets! I’m not bothered that deliveries won’t be made this side of New Year’s, although it would have been a nice win for Lucid. What I am bothered about is the lack of communication.

Im sure many will disagree in here but I’m a strong advocate that when you take money for something whether it be $1000, $5000 or $10,000 you owe it to those people who gave you money to communicate! 7 weeks after taking my money I’ve been given a fat load of nothing regarding my order which is appalling quite frankly. It’s really not that hard to say “leasing / finance options will be available in January” or “We expect your order to be delivered Q1” instead we’re just expected to piece together information from forums or random comments Peter makes in interviews.

For a company trying to build up its brand, silence is not the smartest strategy to take.

 

[DeaneG]

...7 weeks after taking my money I’ve been given a fat load of nothing regarding my order which is appalling quite frankly. It’s really not that hard to say “leasing / finance options will be available in January” or “We expect your order to be delivered Q1”...

I decided to spare myself the preorder drama this time, and place an order when things have settled out, if the Gravity seems like the best choice for me, and production (and available information) catches up with demand. I've never found any kind of benefit by preordering an early production car - Model 3 or Air.

 

[hmp10]

I decided to spare myself the preorder drama this time, and place an order when things have settled out, if the Gravity seems like the best choice for me, and production (and available information) catches up with demand. I've never found any kind of benefit by preordering an early production car - Model 3 or Air.

I put in an order early and had to take an early production car to get an Air Dream Edition. With the Gravity, though -- although I put in an early order -- I'm willing to wait until later in the production run to give Lucid time to rectify what will inevitably be a few early production issues.

 

[hydbob]

With year end rapidly approaching, I'm not seeing seeing any reports anywhere of deliveries being scheduled. Has anyone else?

I'm beginning to wonder if Kyle Conner's admonition about shipping Gravities without the software fully dialed in reflects what might be going on. Although I'm a lot less demanding of software features than most drivers today, I frankly agree with Conner that it would be a disaster for Lucid to start Gravity deliveries (except maybe to insiders who will stay quiet about it) with the software not fully ready to boogie this time around.

It looks as if it's going to be an absolutely stunning machine. Please, please Lucid, don't let software do to its early reputation what it did to the Air's, even at the price of significant delays.

The early adopters such as I were a bit more tolerant of the Air's early software travails and could see beyond them to the superb automotive engineering underlying the Air. But Gravity buyers are going to be a different lot with different expectations.

I'll bet you a Gravity at least one gets delivered before the New Year.

 

[HC_79]

I'll bet you a Gravity at least one gets delivered before the New Year.

Yours?