Gravity Orders Discussion

[DeaneG]

Except it has fundamentally improved, and in significant ways. Locations that used to be wrong for me no longer are, in addition to other features that have been added.

The translation issue between Google Maps and Lucid is a real issue, which boils down to the fact that Google has two methods of sending location info. One works, the other doesn’t. That’s why it’s inconsistent. Apple Maps and Waze send it the same way every time, which is why this doesn’t appear as an issue for people using those apps....

I agree Lucid's nav will continue to get better. I checked just now and see that Lucid fixed that specific translation issue from Google maps I reported four months ago. But I don't think the fundamental problem will go away - the need to translate from the maps database that most people use when planning, to a different and much more limited database in the car. I don't want to translate and hope. I want the map I used for planning a trip to be exactly the map I use for navigation, without having to check for quietly introduced errors.

As much work as Lucid will put into HERE maps and navigation, having used it and Google maps for years, in my opinion HERE will always trail Google maps, and Apple maps. HERE just doesn't have the user momentum, and the power of crowdsourcing to maintain and expand the database. It'll always be second rate.

 

[borski]

I agree Lucid's nav will continue to get better. I checked just now and see that Lucid fixed that specific translation issue from Google maps I reported four months ago. But I don't think the fundamental problem will go away - the need to translate from the maps database that most people use when planning, to a different and much more limited database in the car. I don't want to translate and hope. I want the map I used for planning a trip to be exactly the map I use for navigation, without having to check for quietly introduced errors.

As much work as Lucid will put into HERE maps and navigation, having used it and Google maps for years, in my opinion HERE will always trail Google maps, and Apple maps. HERE just doesn't have the user momentum, and the power of crowdsourcing to maintain and expand the database. It'll always be second rate.

Okay, but even if they switched to native AAOS Google maps, that would not work for me, for example. I use Apple Maps and Waze, because I hate the Google Maps UX. But that’s purely personal preference.

At some point, they don’t have a choice but to do the translation. I’m glad to hear they fixed it though! That would be… significant progress, since sending locations from Google Maps now works either way.

I do think you should be able to see the locations and preview the trip in the mobile app, so you can correct and/or confirm.

And again - Android Auto will solve this either way, and you can use whatever mapping solution you prefer. TomTom here we come!

 

[DeaneG]

Okay, but even if they switched to native AAOS Google maps, that would not work for me, for example. I use Apple Maps and Waze, because I hate the Google Maps UX. But that’s purely personal preference...

I can't help but think that if Lucid had chosen either Apple or Google maps so long ago, all of their customers would be having a better experience than the current implementation.

 

[borski]

I can't help but think that if Lucid had chosen either Apple or Google maps so long ago, all of their customers would be having a better experience than the current implementation.

That you feel that way is not surprising to anyone.

That said, I am certain HERE also has benefits, specifically for EVs. Reminder that lots of auto makers use HERE, and it isn’t for no reason.

I don’t know.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

That you feel that way is not surprising to anyone.

That said, I am certain HERE also has benefits, specifically for EVs. Reminder that lots of auto makers use HERE, and it isn’t for no reason.

I don’t know.

In another year or two, when Lucid has gotten the software to where I am confident they will, it will be fun to look back on all of these threads.

Starting a new car company, building what many agree is the finest driving sedan in the world with an SUV that is likely to gain similar accolades days away from being in customer garages and starting all of that while building a new factory during COVID and competing in an industry with access to capital hundreds of times greater than what Lucid started with?

Yeah, simple stuff. I’m sure all of the folks here who exclaim how this could be better or that could be better would’ve have done everything the Lucid Team has done, AND nailed version 1.0 of the UI (of course). Count me out of that Monday Morning Quarterbacking nonsense, however. As a serial entrepreneur who has started multiple businesses over the years, I am literally in awe at just how amazing my Air GT is — “warts” and all. And I am thankful that Lucid exists as a compelling alternative to what I once had such high hopes for but has very clearly lost its way.

Thank you.

 

[HC_79]

That you feel that way is not surprising to anyone.

That said, I am certain HERE also has benefits, specifically for EVs. Reminder that lots of auto makers use HERE, and it isn’t for no reason.

I don’t know.

It’s for the HD mapping. Apparently they have the largest and top quality HD mapping, even better than Google etc. it’s the main reason they’re continuously chosen by automakers for their ADAS systems.

 

[Murcie]

I anticipate and hope this will still happen in Q4 2024, they will start with lifting the embargo on YouTubers who are already reviewing it, announce a delivery event at the HQ, and deliver the Gravity to 10-12 VIP owners before the end of December (who are probably aware of this but can’t say a word because of NDAs). This will check many boxes like keeping their promise, it should drive more momentum on Gravity orders before yearend and will help them highlight it in their Q4 earnings.

Just a thought: there is a possibility that if they have scheduled an event (I have no idea) they may be keeping mum so as to make a big splash.

Or not. Dno. But it’s a possibility.

I was hoping there will be some activity in this thread today, as the major update of the mobile app = imminent Gravity deliveries. I stand by my earlier comment above, I think they’ll deliver a few vehicles before the end of the year, maybe not at the HQ but at AMP-1
Can’t wait to see it in the wild
Hopefully someone in San Diego will get one of the early deliveries

 

[Tesla2Lucid]

I don’t know.

I just wanted to point out that when you address @borski please use his proper title: “Grand Magistrate Borski”!

 

[borski]

I just wanted to point out that when you address @borski please use his proper title: “Grand Magistrate Borski”!

please don’t lol

 

[hmp10]

It's Monday, December 30, and I'm not finding anything on the internet indicating any Gravity deliveries today or tomorrow. Has anyone else?

I'm wondering if perhaps Lucid had planned on a few 2025 deliveries to follow the fanfare around the start of production back on December 5, but the repeated insistence in the "Out of Spec" first-drive review on the reputational risk of releasing another car with the software not fully baked has delayed things a bit?

I couldn't remember the date production started, so I went to the Lucid website. I could find nothing there, either in the "Exploring Gravity" section or in the Media Room archive, the Events archive, or the Gravity Press Kit. I was almost certain Lucid had posted the video on its website of Peter Rawlinson stepping out of the first production unit?

 

[Blue Lectroid]

I continue to respect that Lucid is behaving very much like the long term player it says it is. Who really cares if the first Gravity’s get delivered in 2024, on January 5th or February 10th? When you are building a company for the long term, you ship when it’s ready and when you’re pretty certain that your product is high quality and “complete.” They obviously learned from the early software issues with Air…

 

[Pragmatic]

Who really cares if the first Gravity’s get delivered in 2024, on January 5th or February 10th?

We do. Otherwise this thread won't get another 32 pages of ponderings, predictions and prognostications.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Clearly. But perhaps all of us should just allow things to unfold as they will? Myself included!

 

[hmp10]

I continue to respect that Lucid is behaving very much like the long term player it says it is. Who really cares if the first Gravity’s get delivered in 2024, on January 5th or February 10th? When you are building a company for the long term, you ship when it’s ready and when you’re pretty certain that your product is high quality and “complete.” They obviously learned from the early software issues with Air…

I am not wishing for a quick start to deliveries. Quite the opposite, in fact, for just the reason you stated.

However, I still think Lucid opened orders for the Gravity prematurely, with too little information to inform certain choices -- and I think they did it for some illusory reasons revolving around investor calls and stock market timing.

So I'm watching now what Lucid is doing regarding year-end deliveries in the hope they don't again get ahead of themselves. I don't want to see a Gravity in any customer's hands before it is fully fledged.

 

[Murcie]

It's Monday, December 30, and I'm not finding anything on the internet indicating any Gravity deliveries today or tomorrow. Has anyone else?

I'm wondering if perhaps Lucid had planned on a few 2025 deliveries to follow the fanfare around the start of production back on December 5, but the repeated insistence in the "Out of Spec" first-drive review on the reputational risk of releasing another car with the software not fully baked has delayed things a bit?

I couldn't remember the date production started, so I went to the Lucid website. I could find nothing there, either in the "Exploring Gravity" section or in the Media Room archive, the Events archive, or the Gravity Press Kit. I was almost certain Lucid had posted the video on its website of Peter Rawlinson stepping out of the first production unit?

Call me crazy, but what if a secret VIP delivery event already happened yesterday at the factory, and no one is allowed to post about it before the company’s official press release, which they’re preparing as we speak and editing a video to go along with it?

I have no solid evidence to back my theory lol, this is pure speculation from reading between the lines, just for fun

At the end end, I agree with @Blue Lectroid, it doesn’t really make much of a difference if it was delivered late 2024 or early 2025, we all know it’s imminent regardless, and we can’t wait to get our hands on it.

Also, the video for the start of production was posted on X and Instagram on December 5th-6th, and it’s still there.

 

[hmp10]

Also, the video for the start of production was posted on X and Instagram on December 5th-6th, and it’s still there.

Yeah, I found the date from several internet sources and saw that the video is still up on some individual YouTube channels.

But I was just wondering whether I was wrong in thinking I saw it at one point in the Lucid Media Room. Also, it is not currently on the Lucid Motors channel on YouTube, and I thought I saw it there, too, at one point. Is my memory just playing tricks (not an unheard of event)?

 

[Golfervet]

Has anyone heard if there will be a trade in program for our current Lucid air models. Also any word on owners loyalty programs, lease incentives etc? Give me any reasonable trade in and I’m onboard, but not willing to make an order till I have that information.

 

[HC_79]

Clearly. But perhaps all of us should just allow things to unfold as they will? Myself included!

Or maybe a company that took money from people almost 2 months ago could have the common decency to provide an update.

 

[billvb]

After having spent a large chunk of my career working at Valve, this kind of ‘we’ll ship it when it’s done’ situation feels very familiar to me. I’m as impatient as anyone to get our Gravity, but it’ll be really great for Lucid if when they finally do start deliveries, everyone just raves about the vehicles, without listing a sting of caveats and bugs.

 

[Sid432]

Or maybe a company that took money from people almost 2 months ago could have the common decency to provide an update.

Exactly! Just like how they announced that AA is delayed. Something similar would suffice to stop all the guess work, IMO
This is the exact reason I haven't reserved a Gravity because they are details missing.
I will once I know more details....