Gravity Orders Discussion

[illopp00]

The Air also has two 12v batteries, but they are not redundant. I suspect in this case they actually might be, which would be really smart, since 12v failure has plagued Hyundai/Kia/Genesis, early Lucids, Ford, and like every other manufacturer.

Our Ioniq 5 is going in for yet another ICCU recall in 2 days to prevent the 12v from dying lol; fifth time’s a charm?

One would hope It's definitely pennywise and pound foolish to put 1200lbs of LI-Ion batteries in a pack under the floor and then skimp on a handful for 12V backup...Maybe your Ioniq 5 will end up with one of those backup jump starter kits jerry-rigged in the mini-frunk...

 

[Knucklehead]

I don't understand the short battery life. No real large loads are being placed on the 12V system when the vehicle is off (should be the same as an ICE). My current pickup is running its original battery (2009). Sedan I had before it had original battery for the whole time I owned it (2000 - 2016). Yet BEVs are bricking a 12V battery in a year or two without the high starter loads.

Actually, there is a lot of stress on the 12 volt battery. The stress isn't when the car is running, the stress is when the car is off. The 12 volt battery is used to run all the systems when the car is off including communications with the mothership. The car is constantly monitoring to see if you have walked up and are opening the door. It is doing all kinds of things that drain the LVB when the car is off.

The battery will run down to a low level and then the HVB will charge it back up. That constant cycling while the car is off is very stressful and will wear out the battery. Every BEV has this problem. My Mach-e battery will last about 3 years and then it dies with no warning. I replaced mine last weekend because it's been 3 years.

 

[RD7]

After multiple 12V battery replacements in my 2017 Tesla MS P100D, I replaced it with an LFP battery. The charging schedule is a bit wonky because the MS does not have a setting for LFP batteries - just different types of SLAs. Consequently, I occasionally get spurious warnings about the battery being almost dead, but then they go away on their own when it starts to charge again. It's been in the car for 2 years so far and seems to still be in great shape. I wonder if Lucid will go the LFP route instead of SLA - while they are more expensive, the prices are dropping, they are far more robust, and they have a much longer lifetime.

 

[tonykerf1]

Sorry if this has already been previously asked, but is anyone worried that let’s say there was a car accident with the gravity that it will be extremely hard to get fixed? Like body work repairs etc

 

[hydbob]

Sorry if this has already been previously asked, but is anyone worried that let’s say there was a car accident with the gravity that it will be extremely hard to get fixed? Like body work repairs etc

I'm not sure how this is any different from any other car?

 

[037]

Sorry if this has already been previously asked, but is anyone worried that let’s say there was a car accident with the gravity that it will be extremely hard to get fixed? Like body work repairs etc

near impossible to get parts in the near term if I had to guess, they can barely build the cars. That's just me guessing of course.

Don't crash it...

 

[037]

I'm not sure how this is any different from any other car?

let's see, a Camry you can get parts any time, I am sure Tesla got their act together too, how fast can you fix a Rivian? Every single one would be different, and Lucid is just getting started with Gravity so a high chance they would be slower than any of the above mentioned.

But they are definitely all different.

 

[hmp10]

I had a 2010 Audi R8 V10 coupe that got suspension damage when a car changed lanes on me and forced me against a concrete curb. There was no body damage. After over three months of the Audi dealer's trying to get parts from Germany, I finally worked out a deal between the dealer and the insurance company for the dealer to take the damaged car on trade for a 2011 R8 Spyder he had on the lot and finish the work in his own good time.

Parts availability is often challenging for low-volume cars which, as of now, Lucids still are. I had the same issue (no accident involved) with getting parts to replace some brake-by-wire components and a generator on a Mercedes SL55 AMG, as all those parts had to come from Germany -- an exercise akin to slogging through molasses.

 

[HC_79]

I am sure Tesla got their act together too

lol, ok…. April Fools has come early it seems. Knowing people in the insurance industry they HATE when one is crashed due to long wait times on parts etc.

 

[hydbob]

let's see, a Camry you can get parts any time, I am sure Tesla got their act together too, how fast can you fix a Rivian? Every single one would be different, and Lucid is just getting started with Gravity so a high chance they would be slower than any of the above mentioned.

But they are definitely all different.

Is that why it took 8 months to get parts to repair for my Honda Odyssey?

 

[Tesla2Lucid]

Sorry if this has already been previously asked, but is anyone worried that let’s say there was a car accident with the gravity that it will be extremely hard to get fixed? Like body work repairs etc

Hey look @borski its a tangent down the rabbit hole! ;-)

C'mon guys, high volume cars with decades of supply chain experience PROBABLY have a better shot of getting parts rapidly than small volume cars from newer automotive players. Pandemic was the exception. Also, there are always exceptions to the rule.

So @tonykerf1 please don't get into an accident (take that tongue and cheek) and maybe the anti-gravity mechanisms in place on the Lucid Gravity (LIDAR/Hiway Assist) will help to REPEL other cars and obstacles

 

[momo3605]

I can guarantee the Gravity will be able to charge at full or close to full speeds at superchargers.

I don’t know how they are going to do it, but it would be absolutely idiotic if they didn’t. And Lucid is a lot of things, but idiotic ain’t one of them.

I wouldn’t be so sure. The 2025 IONIQ 5 that comes with NACS plug was tested by the OOS guys. It peaked at 120kw on Supercharger V3. Compare to over 200 at EA.

Its going to be a rough few years for any 800V NACS cars until Tesla has deployed a good number of V4 cabinets.

 

[HC_79]

I wouldn’t be so sure. The 2025 IONIQ 5 that comes with NACS plug was tested by the OOS guys. It peaked at 120kw on Supercharger V3. Compare to over 200 at EA.

Its going to be a rough few years for any 800V NACS cars until Tesla has deployed a good number of V4 cabinets.

Lucid is being very coy about sharing this info. I’m wondering if they’re about to pull a rabbit out of a hat.

 

[Adnillien]

I wouldn’t be so sure. The 2025 IONIQ 5 that comes with NACS plug was tested by the OOS guys. It peaked at 120kw on Supercharger V3. Compare to over 200 at EA.

Its going to be a rough few years for any 800V NACS cars until Tesla has deployed a good number of V4 cabinets.

I asked specifically about this at the delivery event and was told that I would be very happy with Gravity's charging speed at V3 Superchargers. That said, current limits will keep it below a maximum of 250kW. Hence, EA and other high voltage networks will still be faster.

 

[WeighingGravity]

I went looking into my Lucid Motors online profile to just see if there was anything new in there and I am finding the Lucid portal seems to be down for me. I'm looking in Chrome and Safari (on iPhone). Anyone else having issues?

 

[Amster]

I can log in this morning.

 

[Elfin]

I wouldn’t be so sure. The 2025 IONIQ 5 that comes with NACS plug was tested by the OOS guys. It peaked at 120kw on Supercharger V3. Compare to over 200 at EA.

Its going to be a rough few years for any 800V NACS cars until Tesla has deployed a good number of V4 cabinets.

There's an OOS video that shows the Ioniq 5 actually charges faster 10-80% on V3 Superchargers than Teslas with the crappy LG battery.
The Cybertruck is only very slightly faster on 800V chargers so it seems unlikely that Tesla will do a speedy rollout of 1000V chargers.

I asked specifically about this at the delivery event and was told that I would be very happy with Gravity's charging speed at V3 Superchargers. That said, current limits will keep it below a maximum of 250kW. Hence, EA and other high voltage networks will still be faster.

Fingers crossed. 200kW would make me very happy.

 

[hmp10]

I just found that the Vredestein Quatrac Pro+ all-season tire is now available in sizes that will fit the 21/22" wheel option on the Gravity. This tire wasn't introduced until July 2024, so I'm wondering whether Lucid didn't have it available to assess as an alternative to the Michelin Primacy AS tire that will come with that wheel option on the Gravity.

It is getting rave reviews and, frankly, I've never seen a tire test in which a tire so trounces others in the field on as many scores. Here's what Tire Rack has to say about it:

And the spider charts reflect this. In fact, I've never seen a spider chart is which one tire so clearly beat out others in the category of wet performance. And not only wet . . . the Vredestein beats the Michelin in every dry category except dry braking. (The Vredestein is the green line, and the Michelin Primacy is the dark gray line.)

 

[Elfin]

I just found that the Vredestein Quatrac Pro+ all-season tire is now available in sizes that will fit the 21/22" wheel option on the Gravity. This tire wasn't introduced until July 2024, so I'm wondering whether Lucid didn't have it available to assess as an alternative to the Michelin Primacy AS tire that will come with that wheel option on the Gravity.

It is getting rave reviews and, frankly, I've never seen a tire test in which a tire so trounces others in the field on as many scores. Here's what Tire Rack has to say about it:

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And the spider charts reflect this. In fact, I've never seen a spider chart is which one tire so clearly beat out others in the category of wet performance. And not only wet . . . the Vredestein beats the Michelin in every dry category except dry braking. (The Vredestein is the green line, and the Michelin Primacy is the dark gray line.)

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I have the Pro+ on my Model 3. They do seem better in every way than the stock Michelin MXM4 except efficiency where they seem quite a bit worse. I got them because I wanted something a bit better in the snow for trips up 395 to Mammoth.

 

[037]

I just found that the Vredestein Quatrac Pro+ all-season tire is now available in sizes that will fit the 21/22" wheel option on the Gravity. This tire wasn't introduced until July 2024, so I'm wondering whether Lucid didn't have it available to assess as an alternative to the Michelin Primacy AS tire that will come with that wheel option on the Gravity.

It is getting rave reviews and, frankly, I've never seen a tire test in which a tire so trounces others in the field on as many scores. Here's what Tire Rack has to say about it:

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And the spider charts reflect this. In fact, I've never seen a spider chart is which one tire so clearly beat out others in the category of wet performance. And not only wet . . . the Vredestein beats the Michelin in every dry category except dry braking. (The Vredestein is the green line, and the Michelin Primacy is the dark gray line.)

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You are not looking at the + review.