Gravity Delivery Discussion

[Knucklehead]

Just a quick call out - that depending on the lease paperwork, you can't always just pay market value and buy it out / keep it. We had a Tesla Y and had to return it after the lease, no matter what. Purchasing it was not an option. So make sure you read the fine print.

Personally I think it is stupid to not allow purchase at the end of a lease. Who knows what the market will be like then? If the company has excessive inventory, the smart financial decision is to get rid of the vehicle instead of taking it back. So it should at least be an option for the company to consider, IMO. I guess I am not as smart as the financial wizes at Tesla.

 

[borski]

Personally I think it is stupid to not allow purchase at the end of a lease. Who knows what the market will be like then? If the company has excessive inventory, the smart financial decision is to get rid of the vehicle instead of taking it back. So it should at least be an option for the company to consider, IMO. I guess I am not as smart as the financial wizes at Tesla.

Some states require the lease buyouts to go through a dealer. If Tesla or Lucid do not have a dealer’s license in your state and your state requires you to purchase from a dealer, you will not be able to purchase at the end of your lease.

Write your local and state representatives.

 

[boydracing]

If your residence of Utah, you can only do cash or 3rd party financing. This is due to no brick and mortar for Lucid in Utah. I assume this might be similar in other states.

 

[msaunders9430]

I have not completed the lease paperwork yet so I don't know about the residual value. However, regardless of residual value, you can offer Rivian or Lucid the market value of the vehicle at the time the lease ends.

It will depend on their policies and procedures, but if the market value has dropped more than the residual value, why wouldn't they take it? Otherwise they make less by trying to sell it themselves. Or maybe they make the same but it takes weeks or months to get it. Why not take the deal right then?

If I want to keep the T, I will offer them what it is worth, unless the residual is less.

Did you go through with the R1T lease?
Residual value? OK if you'd rather not say.

The R1S is my closest, reluctant alternative to a Gravity.

Rivian sales rep told me the estimated residual value would be 60-65% after a 3 year lease.
Payments during lease period equal about 60% of MSRP.

From everything I've read on this forum and Reddit, Lucid residual after 3 years is 54-60%.
With 40-45% paid during lease term.

Just thinking things through since I now see I can keep the large downpayment that was going toward financing a purchase, and use it for cash buyout at end of lease if rv is decent.

 

[HC_79]

Did you go through with the R1T lease?
Residual value? OK if you'd rather not say.

The R1S is my closest, reluctant alternative to a Gravity.

Rivian sales rep told me the estimated residual value would be 60-65% after a 3 year lease.
Payments during lease period equal about 60% of MSRP.

From everything I've read on this forum and Reddit, Lucid residual after 3 years is 54-60%.
With 40-45% paid during lease term.

Just thinking things through since I now see I can keep the large downpayment that was going toward financing a purchase, and use it for cash buyout at end of lease if rv is decent.

You won’t want the Rivian after the lease ends because you’ll be stuck in the CCS/NACS Adaptor purgatory forever. It also has poor thermal management, so it doesn’t charge at high speeds that well and its battery is HUGE meaning you would be spending longer at chargers. In my opinion, it’s not a well-engineered car that you’d want to keep long-term. I’ve been considering the R1S, Q6, and Polestar 3 on the shortest lease possible if Lucid can’t deliver the Gravity in a timely manner. By the time the lease ends, the Gravity should be readily available, even the possibility of the mid-market model.

Waiting 7 months for deliveries to begin after production starts is simply insane, and it’s unclear where you’ll be in the queue beyond that. It could take 2 to 3 months or even longer. One thing is certain: if people were expecting to have a Touring in their driveway this side of Christmas, it’s looking increasingly unlikely. Considering that 3/4 of orders are new to the brand, I wonder how many will endure these prolonged delivery times or simply cancel their order and opt for something else, given the aggressive leasing deals available at the moment. Lucid may be playing the hand that "everything is normal" but this whole release seems seriously messed up.

 

[msaunders9430]

You won’t want the Rivian after the lease ends because you’ll be stuck in the CCS/NACS Adaptor purgatory forever. It also has poor thermal management, so it doesn’t charge at high speeds that well and its battery is HUGE meaning you would be spending longer at chargers. In my opinion, it’s not a well-engineered car that you’d want to keep long-term. I’ve been considering the R1S, Q6, and Polestar 3 on the shortest lease possible if Lucid can’t deliver the Gravity in a timely manner. By the time the lease ends, the Gravity should be readily available, even the possibility of the mid-market model.

Waiting 7 months for deliveries to begin after production starts is simply insane, and it’s unclear where you’ll be in the queue beyond that. It could take 2 to 3 months or even longer. One thing is certain: if people were expecting to have a Touring in their driveway this side of Christmas, it’s looking increasingly unlikely. Considering that 3/4 of orders are new to the brand, I wonder how many will endure these prolonged delivery times or simply cancel their order and opt for something else, given the aggressive leasing deals available at the moment. Lucid may be playing the hand that "everything is normal" but this whole release seems seriously messed up.

Good points about the R1S. Thus the use of the term "reluctant".

I kinda need three rows, which eliminates the Q6 and P3.

The wait for Gravity bothers me, but not that much. Don't "need" a car. Although I did order a G-GT at end of Feb. to shorten my wait time over a G-T. I see the savings through leasing, but see no alternative if Lucid doesn't offer leasing on a Gravity.

I suppose those that would forego Gravity if leasing isn't offered have legit alternatives for themselves.

 

[HC_79]

I see the savings through leasing, but see no alternative if Lucid doesn't offer leasing on a Gravity.

Leasing is going to be available. Whether it's going to be day 1, that's the big question.

 

[Knucklehead]

Did you go through with the R1T lease?
Residual value? OK if you'd rather not say.

The R1S is my closest, reluctant alternative to a Gravity.

Rivian sales rep told me the estimated residual value would be 60-65% after a 3 year lease.
Payments during lease period equal about 60% of MSRP.

From everything I've read on this forum and Reddit, Lucid residual after 3 years is 54-60%.
With 40-45% paid during lease term.

Just thinking things through since I now see I can keep the large downpayment that was going toward financing a purchase, and use it for cash buyout at end of lease if rv is decent.

I will share the residual information for sure. Delivery is scheduled for 3/19 but it might happen earlier if they get it ready earlier.

@HC_79 I think he just wants to know for reference and an indicator of what might happen with the Gravity. And I agree with you about keeping the R1. I am already expecting to either replace it with the latest R1, a Gravity or something else. That is three years away, so who knows? Maybe I will love it so much I pay the residual and keep it forever.

 

[msaunders9430]

I will share the residual information for sure. Delivery is scheduled for 3/19 but it might happen earlier if they get it ready earlier.

@HC_79 I think he just wants to know for reference and an indicator of what might happen with the Gravity. And I agree with you about keeping the R1. I am already expecting to either replace it with the latest R1, a Gravity or something else. That is three years away, so who knows? Maybe I will love it so much I pay the residual and keep it forever.

You're correct. Just getting more data to consider.

I contacted my sales advisor about the residual on a 2025 AGT.
I was quoted a price that equates to 54%.
Confirms what I've been reading.

The R1T also meets your use case (drywall hauling) and perhaps meets it better than a Gravity.
Also, to me, the R1T as a truck for hauling and other utility uses, looks good.
Wierd, I don't like the headlights on the R1S, but they're not so bad on the R1T.
A truck look vs. an SUV look.

 

[msaunders9430]

I’ve been considering the R1S, Q6, and Polestar 3 on the shortest lease possible if Lucid can’t deliver the Gravity in a timely manner.

Why the Q6 over Macan 4?

 

[HC_79]

The R1T also meets your use case (drywall hauling) and perhaps meets it better than a Gravity.
Also, to me, the R1T as a truck for hauling and other utility uses, looks good.
Wierd, I don't like the headlights on the R1S, but they're not so bad on the R1T.
A truck look vs. an SUV look.

For me, the R1S is very boxy and I'm not a fan of boxy cars. The headlights grew on me but for what Rivian is going on the software side I can forgive its looks. They announced hand-free highway a few weeks back and it's now rolling out this week. Lucid really needs to get it together on its software game.

Why the Q6 over Macan 4?

Was the software. Looks like Audi has a better software upgrade with Android Automotive compared to the Macan. The video I saw had Google Play Store, YouTube, Netflix etc. where the passenger could watch it on the screen in front of them while the driver can't see the screen while driving. The Macan 3rd screen just seems like they put it there to show a compass or clock or some other pointless garbage.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

You won’t want the Rivian after the lease ends because you’ll be stuck in the CCS/NACS Adaptor purgatory forever. It also has poor thermal management, so it doesn’t charge at high speeds that well and its battery is HUGE meaning you would be spending longer at chargers. In my opinion, it’s not a well-engineered car that you’d want to keep long-term. I’ve been considering the R1S, Q6, and Polestar 3 on the shortest lease possible if Lucid can’t deliver the Gravity in a timely manner. By the time the lease ends, the Gravity should be readily available, even the possibility of the mid-market model.

Waiting 7 months for deliveries to begin after production starts is simply insane, and it’s unclear where you’ll be in the queue beyond that. It could take 2 to 3 months or even longer. One thing is certain: if people were expecting to have a Touring in their driveway this side of Christmas, it’s looking increasingly unlikely. Considering that 3/4 of orders are new to the brand, I wonder how many will endure these prolonged delivery times or simply cancel their order and opt for something else, given the aggressive leasing deals available at the moment. Lucid may be playing the hand that "everything is normal" but this whole release seems seriously messed up.

Just placed an order for Gravity for my wife. She drive’s an Ioniq 5. After spending several long rides (1 hour plus) in my ‘25 AGT, I caught her looking at Gravity Reviews!

Platinum with Ojai, small wheels, 5-seats and all options except Towing ordered yesterday. I do not care about the delivery time. They’ll get it to me when it’s done. I guess I was the kid with the “kick me” sign on my back, or I am just pretty chill about the fact that it takes time for newish companies pushing the boundaries of automotive art to do lots of stuff that even the “tried and true” marquee brands cannot seem to do well…

 

[DeaneG]

Just placed an order for Gravity for my wife. She drive’s an Ioniq 5. After spending several long rides (1 hour plus) in my ‘25 AGT, I caught her looking at Gravity Reviews!

Platinum with Ojai, small wheels, 5-seats and all options except Towing ordered yesterday. I do not care about the delivery time. They’ll get it to me when it’s done...

Congrats! From my Air GT purchase experience in 2022, I think it's wise to order exactly the configuration you want, and then chill out until it is ready.

 

[HC_79]

Just placed an order for Gravity for my wife. She drive’s an Ioniq 5. After spending several long rides (1 hour plus) in my ‘25 AGT, I caught her looking at Gravity Reviews!

Platinum with Ojai, small wheels, 5-seats and all options except Towing ordered yesterday. I do not care about the delivery time. They’ll get it to me when it’s done. I guess I was the kid with the “kick me” sign on my back, or I am just pretty chill about the fact that it takes time for newish companies pushing the boundaries of automotive art to do lots of stuff that even the “tried and true” marquee brands cannot seem to do well…

Even Lucid admitted you can have the best product in the world but if you can't get it in peoples hands then what good is it. Glad you're prepared to wait 1,2,3 years for "perfection" but many others aren't and will simply walk away. Let's face it, Lucid isn't really in a position for people to walk away PIF or not, they're a car company and need to actually deliver vehicles to make money.

 

[msaunders9430]

I guess I was the kid with the “kick me” sign on my back, or I am just pretty chill about the fact that it takes time for newish companies pushing the boundaries of automotive art to do lots of stuff that even the “tried and true” marquee brands cannot seem to do well…

And you already have an ev (Air).
This is my first ev dude!
If I was already driving an Air and had ordered a Gravity, I wouldn't be bothered unless I had a purchase window.

 

[msaunders9430]

Congrats! From my Air GT purchase experience in 2022, I think it's wise to order exactly the configuration you want, and then chill out until it is ready.

Wish I could and I'll try, but I'm still that kid who couldn't wait to wake up on Christmas morning.

Ordered a road bike once.
Bike shop said they could ship it to me.
Nope. Took the train to NYC the next day and brought it back!
I had been looking for several months and this turned out to be one of the last of the model I bought, so there was some urgency mixed in with impatience.

 

[msaunders9430]

Wish I could and I'll try, but I'm still that kid who couldn't wait to wake up on Christmas morning.

Ordered a road bike once.
Bike shop said they could ship it to me.
Nope. Took the train to NYC the next day and brought it back!
I had been looking for several months and this turned out to be one of the last of the model I bought, so there was some urgency mixed in with impatience.

For me this whole buying experience really comes down to the fact that I don't like shopping. Find what I like, buy it and get on with life. It's just material stuff that will age, break, need fixing, etc.

However, the whole ev research experience has been a complete blast! The Lucid tech. OMG

This forum has been amazing, but dang it I want to talk about how much I love driving my Gravity. Maybe complain a little.

Everyone's shopping experience is different.

 

[hmp10]

For me this whole buying experience really comes down to the fact that I don't like shopping. Find what I like, buy it and get on with life. It's just material stuff that will age, break, need fixing, etc.

However, the whole ev research experience has been a complete blast! The Lucid tech. OMG

This forum has been amazing, but dang it I want to talk about how much I love driving my Gravity. Maybe complain a little.

Everyone's shopping experience is different.

I have your impatience, and then some. But ever since I started buying EVs ten years ago, I have had to learn to wrap my head to keep it from exploding.

I had a months-long wait for our first Tesla In 2015.

I held a Rivian R1S Launch Edition reservation for over four years before finally tossing in the towel.

I held an Air Dream reservation for almost three years before finally taking delivery in December 2021 . . . and kept calendars on my computer to mark off the day-by-day countdown until the next big reveal at each step along the way.

By those standards, the Gravity -- even though it was originally slated for 2022 way back in the dark ages -- seems to be coming down the pike about when I expected: tortuously slowly, but not much different from what I'm used to.

The only EV I got within a couple of months of ordering it was the 2021 Model S Plaid. And it's been the one that I wish my patience had run out on before taking delivery.

 

[DeaneG]

...Glad you're prepared to wait 1,2,3 years for "perfection" but many others aren't and will simply walk away...

Years for Gravity? Seems extremely unlikely. I've been waiting for a great EV-SUV since before I bought my 2022 Air GT, which is a placeholder. Gravity or Polestar 3 will win my sale. Both should be available in quantity and reasonably debugged by the end of this year.

 

[hmp10]

Years for Gravity? Seems extremely unlikely. I've been waiting for a great EV-SUV since before I bought my 2022 Air GT, which is a placeholder. Gravity or Polestar 3 will win my sale. Both should be available in quantity and reasonably debugged by the end of this year.

I recently went back over some of my posts from the early days on this forum when I was biting my nails waiting for our Air Dream. Now having driven the car for over three years and appreciating it even more as time passes, that few final months of frantic impatience once I knew production was nearing seems completely inconsequential.

When I feel the impatience swelling up about the Gravity, I just remind myself that once I have my fanny planted behind the wheel squircle, my impatience will quickly recede into irrelevance.