Gravity Delivery Discussion

[BS8899]

Please, don't be so dramatic.

US News and World Report lists their sources, right there on the review page.

They never claimed to have driven it, and of course they are opinions. The facts and specs are on Lucid's website. When looking at car reviews, you're literally looking at other people's opinions. That's the definition of a review. Your implication that they aren't knowledgable reviewers would need some backup, since that's a big assumption to make and nothing on that page indicates that's true.

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Moreover, you would potentially have a more obvious case if it scored 10s across the board. It didn't, though, and again, that is disclosed right there on the review page:
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You'll note they only have ratings for performance (which has been a consistent 10 across every review), the interior, value (it's not a cheap car), and the rating of the critics, which is definitionally an opinion. Fuel economy, Safety, and Reliability haven't been measured since, well, they can't yet.

I hope that you are not implying that Lucid did not deliver nine Gravity on Dec 29 because multiple people on this forum were there and watched it. It’s fine to say that we have not seen any deliveries since the December event but it is not ok to imply that the December event did not happen.

I didn't say the December event did not happen. I knew you were there. But, was the event misleading? You can draw your own conclusions. You said in an earlier post you are disappointed in Gravity's roll out.


My skepticism of the December picnic is not a recent revelation. Following is a post on Jan 3rd 2025 from me:

I think Gravity is an attractive product. I trust it will be "Best-in-Class" amongst EV SUVs (and EV mini-vans....Ok, its a joke! don't lynch me!)

That said, I think there are a number of obstacles along the way that would limit the actual sales in the first year.

[1] the price point...@$100k or so, plus a lot of potential add on's, you are looking at $115-$125k out-the-door. As such, you are going against competitors in the $80k-$100k all options included range.
[2] Lucid's year-end publicity of "shipping Gravity in 2024" is good PR. Since all the "Production Gravity" recipients are employees (presumably high level employees) and friends, I think they will all be "satisfied customers". Now comes the hard part...shipping to reviewers and real consumers.
[3] Gravity is supposed to have a faster computer. That's great! But faster computers won't mitigate bad SW. That's still their Archilles Heel.
[4] To date, I have not seen an "unsupervised independent review" of the Gravity yet. And none of the recent reviews included the electronics and SW. Makes you wonder!

My guess for 2025 sales would be on the low end of #2, i.e., closer to 6-7kU.

As a shareholder, I hope I am wrong.

 

[BS8899]

An ad?
I'd say the companies at the bottom of that category would disagree with you.

Parroting?
Some potential buyers are ok with that.

All the power to you!

 

[borski]

I am not diss'in the Gravity as a fine SUV per se. My point is, US News and World Report's opinion is not based on anything they actually did, other than collating opinions by others. In other words, all they are doing is parroting. It is an ad!

An ad would mean it was sponsored or paid for by Lucid (or anyone else). It wasn’t.

It is a meta-analysis of other reviews, as they clearly disclose.

The real questions RE: Gravity are:
> has any reviewer done an un-supervised extensive drive of the Gravity and allowed to test the car in whatever conditions they deem appropriate, including changing the settings, SW, within the boundaries of the car's specs.?

No, apparently not yet.

> independent of the testing and reviews and Rawlinson's departure, Lucid still hasn't communicated a timeline. Does that mean they are sticking with the prior party-line that the Gravity was launched and shipped to "customers" in Dec 2024?!

They have communicated a timeline and thus far have stuck to it. They never claimed it would be up and running full speed by now or the end of last year.

For now, the timeline remains unchanged. They may change it, but haven’t yet.

 

[borski]

You said in an earlier post you are disappointed in Gravity's roll out.

This is not the “gotcha” you think it is.

I am also disappointed in Gravity’s rollout *and* am still very excited for the Gravity.

*And* that doesn’t mean that everything Lucid does or anything that comes out about them between now and when the Gravity is released is bad.

The disappointment with the rollout of Gravity, for me, is due to speed, but mostly communication. I’d love to see it out faster, as long as it’s right. Between the two, I’d rather they get it right than fast.

But that doesn’t tinge every single thing related to Lucid with dripping disappointment or anger. It’s just one aspect. This review has nothing to do with a delivery timeline, at all.

 

[Batteryman]

Seriously, does US News and World Report have any professional staff who do their own research and testing or do they just write articles/reviews like their college and university ranking stuff?! They come across as more like opinions and advertising as opposed to reviews by a knowledgeable source.


Lucid is fast losing its credibility by staying silent and not communicating with what's going on and a timeline.

If Rawlinson was the problem (RE: delays, poor communication, lingering SW issues, etc.) there is only a small window after Rawlinson's removal for Lucid to come clean and reset the expectations.

Nope, disagree....Lucid still is considered the best EV you can buy. Maybe if you are a shareholder you should be either upset, or take this as an opportunity to buy more shares. Future is EV and Lucid is at the forefront.

Imagine buying FSD for 7.5k in 2018 like i did, believing Musk that robotaxi will be here in 2019....more than half a decade later....nothing....still level 2. A few months delay in deliveries not a big deal at all......

 

[BS8899]

Nope, disagree....Lucid still is considered the best EV you can buy. Maybe if you are a shareholder you should be either upset, or take this as an opportunity to buy more shares. Future is EV and Lucid is at the forefront.

Imagine buying FSD for 7.5k in 2018 like i did, believing Musk that robotaxi will be here in 2019....more than half a decade later....nothing....still level 2. A few months delay in deliveries not a big deal at all......

 

[BS8899]

Inasmuch as I am a long-time EV advocate and actually equipped my garage to facilitate two EV chargers since 2008, I looked and looked at Tesla and never bought one. So, Yes, I think Tesla's has a significant credibility gap in relations to what they promised and what they delivered. But, in response to concerns about Lucid's (business) performance, it seems like you are saying, "what about Tesla?" in response to other's criticism and concerns about Lucid. That's a LOW BAR!!

 

[Knucklehead]

Enjoy that R1T!
Go get you some drywall!

Sounds like you were going to lease a Gravity, so the R1T lease makes sense. I'm using the wait time to pad savings for larger than planned down payment and lower amount financed. I tend to keep my cars for a long time, so not concerned about depreciation.

Gravity and R1T; suv vs. truck.
Why no R1S?

The Gravity is vastly different from a pickup truck. Personally I struggled with the advantages each offers. It is highly likely I would have picked the Gravity if I could get it in the next month or two.

Range is a huge factor for me. Gravity (I believe without proof, because we have yet to get an independent range test) is better than the R1. Plus it has native NACS and awesome charging speed (again without proof because no independent testing). And it is more in alignment with vehicles I have purchased in the past (road performance focused).

The R1T will let me haul drywall without getting out my trailer. LoL. But it will also allow me to throw my bike in the back over the liftgate for a quick drive to the local trails. And I can throw other crap in there that I would never want to put in the back of a SUV. So in theory, it will fit what I like to do really well.

And I don't need 3 rows of seating. It would be nice, but very rarely used. (My Gravity configuration did include the 3rd row, but only because I think that is one of Gravity's huge value propositions, and you can't add it later.)

Time will tell if the T was the right choice. But I do plan to frequently enjoy getting to 60 mph in 2.9 seconds!

 

[Knucklehead]

Enjoy that R1T!
Go get you some drywall!

Sounds like you were going to lease a Gravity, so the R1T lease makes sense. I'm using the wait time to pad savings for larger than planned down payment and lower amount financed. I tend to keep my cars for a long time, so not concerned about depreciation.

Gravity and R1T; suv vs. truck.
Why no R1S?

I didn't mention the leasing thing.

I have never leased a vehicle in my life. I have paid cash or financed it.

IMO, Rivian has a better chance of survival compared to Lucid. However, I also think both have a lot of very positive momentum and have a decent chance of staying around. That said, I am not confident enough in the survival of either to purchase with cash or finance.

Also, I am shocked at how fast these vehicles depreciate and leasing seems to take a lot of the sting out if that.

Because of BEV improvements I expect to replace my vehicle after 3 years, which makes leasing even more beneficial. In the past I kept vehicles for 10 years or more. I don't think I can handle the range degradation 10 years will bring.

Yes, I planned to lease the Gravity for all those reasons. And yes, I am leading the R1T for the same reasons.

 

[Batteryman]

Inasmuch as I am a long-time EV advocate and actually equipped my garage to facilitate two EV chargers since 2008, I looked and looked at Tesla and never bought one. So, Yes, I think Tesla's has a significant credibility gap in relations to what they promised and what they delivered. But, in response to concerns about Lucid's (business) performance, it seems like you are saying, "what about Tesla?" in response to other's criticism and concerns about Lucid. That's a LOW BAR!!

It's quite evident they have production delays, don't read too much else into it. Not a big deal, delays always happen.....relax.....either wait and buy one or if you don't have the patience, buy something else...maybe a tesla Model X...

 

[msaunders9430]

I didn't mention the leasing thing.

I have never leased a vehicle in my life. I have paid cash or financed it.

IMO, Rivian has a better chance of survival compared to Lucid. However, I also think both have a lot of very positive momentum and have a decent chance of staying around. That said, I am not confident enough in the survival of either to purchase with cash or finance.

Also, I am shocked at how fast these vehicles depreciate and leasing seems to take a lot of the sting out if that.

Because of BEV improvements I expect to replace my vehicle after 3 years, which makes leasing even more beneficial. In the past I kept vehicles for 10 years or more. I don't think I can handle the range degradation 10 years will bring.

Yes, I planned to lease the Gravity for all those reasons. And yes, I am leading the R1T for the same reasons.

Valid reasons for leasing.
i've never leased before either.

I suppose with leasing the Gravity, at the end of the lease term you can decide between paying the residual value and financiing versus finding a used Gravity, correct?

If you don't mind saying; what will be the residual value on the R1T at the end of the 3 year lease term?

 

[Knucklehead]

Valid reasons for leasing.
i've never leased before either.

I suppose with leasing the Gravity, at the end of the lease term you can decide between paying the residual value and financiing versus finding a used Gravity, correct?

If you don't mind saying; what will be the residual value on the R1T at the end of the 3 year lease term?

I have not completed the lease paperwork yet so I don't know about the residual value. However, regardless of residual value, you can offer Rivian or Lucid the market value of the vehicle at the time the lease ends.

It will depend on their policies and procedures, but if the market value has dropped more than the residual value, why wouldn't they take it? Otherwise they make less by trying to sell it themselves. Or maybe they make the same but it takes weeks or months to get it. Why not take the deal right then?

If I want to keep the T, I will offer them what it is worth, unless the residual is less.

 

[msaunders9430]

I have not completed the lease paperwork yet so I don't know about the residual value. However, regardless of residual value, you can offer Rivian or Lucid the market value of the vehicle at the time the lease ends.

It will depend on their policies and procedures, but if the market value has dropped more than the residual value, why wouldn't they take it? Otherwise they make less by trying to sell it themselves. Or maybe they make the same but it takes weeks or months to get it. Why not take the deal right then?

If I want to keep the T, I will offer them what it is worth, unless the residual is less.

I'll review the Gravity lease terms and make a decision whenever my order comes up.