Charger FAQ/Explanation

[borski]

Currently, no. Also, when it reaches the charge limit, even if the car drops, it will not charge again unless you "wake" the car again and it realizes it's lower than expected.

True. Also, you can wake the car up just by checking the app and it’ll charge.

 

[Tesla2.0]

Oh. Shit. Looks like I'm doing too much trickle-down.

For your price comparison.

I got mine garage EVSE Wallbox $600. At that time ChargePoint was out of stock in Amazon.

I got my system hardwire for $2100 by QMeric. I have a 200 amp box all filled up. Electrician has to merge circuit breakers to create 60amp 4 slots and extend 30’ protected cable hardwire to edge of garage.

The ability to charge at home every morning wake up looking at 80% full tank (80% SOC on 21”) at 375 miles, free of range anxiety — PRICELESS!

 

[Navy06]

Could not find an answer for this anywhere else in the forum. Just got my AGT and it has 266 miles on it. On my first time charging using a NEMA 14-50, the battery was at 31% charged. I set the cutoff at 80%. It took 9 hours to get from 31% to 80%. Is it normal to take that long using a NEMA 14-50?
I was expecting a little faster.

 

[Adnillien]

Could not find an answer for this anywhere else in the forum. Just got my AGT and it has 266 miles on it. On my first time charging using a NEMA 14-50, the battery was at 31% charged. I set the cutoff at 80%. It took 9 hours to get from 31% to 80%. Is it normal to take that long using a NEMA 14-50?
I was expecting a little faster.

Were you using the Lucid Mobile charging cable or something else? This seems like you were at 7kW instead of 9kW.

 

[hydbob]

Could not find an answer for this anywhere else in the forum. Just got my AGT and it has 266 miles on it. On my first time charging using a NEMA 14-50, the battery was at 31% charged. I set the cutoff at 80%. It took 9 hours to get from 31% to 80%. Is it normal to take that long using a NEMA 14-50?
I was expecting a little faster.

That's 66 kwh you are needing to fill. If you are pulling a max of 9kw that's still 7.3 hrs with 0 losses. Sounds about right!

 

[Adnillien]

That's 66 kwh you are needing to fill. If you are pulling a max of 9kw that's still 7.3 hrs with 0 losses. Sounds about right!

49% SOC increase in a 112kWhr battery is 54.9 kWhr, not 66. Hence, it seems low.

 

[hydbob]

49% SOC increase in a 112kWhr battery is 54.9 kWhr, not 66. Hence, it seems low.

Oops I not good at maths

 

[Navy06]

Were you using the Lucid Mobile charging cable or something else? This seems like you were at 7kW instead of 9kW.

I was using the charging cable that came with the Lucid

 

[Adnillien]

I was using the charging cable that came with the Lucid

Was your garage really hot, part of the power goes to cooling the batteries. What charge rate were you seeing on the Lucid app? I assume it showed 9kW? What charge rate in mi/hr did you see?

 

[Navy06]

Was your garage really hot, part of the power goes to cooling the batteries. What charge rate were you seeing on the Lucid app? I assume it showed 9kW? What charge rate in mi/hr did you see?

Don’t remember looking at that. When I do the next charge I will pay attention to those numbers and let you know. Thanks

 

[Navy06]

Don’t remember looking at that. When I do the next charge I will pay attention to those numbers and let you know. Thanks

Was your garage really hot, part of the power goes to cooling the batteries. What charge rate were you seeing on the Lucid app? I assume it showed 9kW? What charge rate in mi/hr did you see?

I charged last night and have more answers to your questions. Started charging with my NEMA14-50 with car showing 39% charged and set to end at 80%. It charged at a rate of 31mi/hr. It showed 9kW and added 200 miles in 6 hours 45 minutes. My main question - is this the fastest the NEMA 14-50 can charge or do others get a faster charge with their NEMA 14-50? Thanks

 

[borski]

I charged last night and have more answers to your questions. Started charging with my NEMA14-50 with car showing 39% charged and set to end at 80%. It charged at a rate of 31mi/hr. It showed 9kW and added 200 miles in 6 hours 45 minutes. My main question - is this the fastest the NEMA 14-50 can charge or do others get a faster charge with their NEMA 14-50? Thanks

The NEMA 14-50 is a 50amp circuit, which means you can run 40A continuously, which equates to 9.6 kW.

 

[Navy06]

The NEMA 14-50 is a 50amp circuit, which means you can run 40A continuously, which equates to 9.6 kW.

Thanks!!

 

[Adnillien]

I charged last night and have more answers to your questions. Started charging with my NEMA14-50 with car showing 39% charged and set to end at 80%. It charged at a rate of 31mi/hr. It showed 9kW and added 200 miles in 6 hours 45 minutes. My main question - is this the fastest the NEMA 14-50 can charge or do others get a faster charge with their NEMA 14-50? Thanks

I agree with @borski, you are getting the best rate from the NEMA 14-50. The app rounds the input power so I also see 9kW which is what we should get. Depending on temperature, I get 30 to 33 mi/hr for a charging rate. You car and mobile charger are working as they should.

 

[Navy06]

I agree with @borski, you are getting the best rate from the NEMA 14-50. The app rounds the input power so I also see 9kW which is what we should get. Depending on temperature, I get 30 to 33 mi/hr for a charging rate. You car and mobile charger are working as they should.

Thanks for the info. Appreciate it very much.

 

[Bunnylebowski]

According to my Delivery Specialist, using a Tesla adapter (like the one I purchased = Lectron Tesla to J1772 adapter) voids the warranty as it can damage the battery.
I don't know how true that is (that it can damage the battery) OR how they would know, but I bought a ChargePoint Flex (since my Tesla Connector is in my wife's garage anyway).
Electrify America stations are "rare" in my area (NC/SC), but plenty of Chargepoint stations, so I figured it can't hurt to have a ChargePoint account/app.
That said, I will be receiving the Lucid [again] today, so I can't attest to how well it charges (although the scheduling is nice .. and takes into account my utility company).
I do have a small pet-peeve with the Chargepoint .. I can't add more than one to my account. (in other words, if you have multiple garages or a second home, you'll need additional accounts).
Good luck.

I totally did not know using an adapter voids the battery warranty, that’s crazy. Does Tesla void its battery warranty when someone uses a J1772/CCS adapter?
Not knowing any of this I used the TeslaTap mini one time and it broke off its own plastic ground wire cover inside my charging port, but luckily I was able to remove it when I got home with needle nose pliers and no further damage occurred. I’m returning the TeslaTap. Lucid is aware, but they didn’t tell me my battery/etc warranty was now voided, and I certainly hope that’s not the case.

 

[EVCar]

I totally did not know using an adapter voids the battery warranty, that’s crazy. Does Tesla void its battery warranty when someone uses a J1772/CCS adapter?
Not knowing any of this I used the TeslaTap mini one time and it broke off its own plastic ground wire cover inside my charging port, but luckily I was able to remove it when I got home with needle nose pliers and no further damage occurred. I’m returning the TeslaTap. Lucid is aware, but they didn’t tell me my battery/etc warranty was now voided, and I certainly hope that’s not the case.

MB says the same thing.
We’ve discussed this in the forum in the past and the consensus was it’s probably a CYA statement by the manufacturers.

 

[Bunnylebowski]

MB says the same thing.
We’ve discussed this in the forum in the past and the consensus was it’s probably a CYA statement by the manufacturers.

My understanding was that if damage happened from use of the adapter then the warranty would be void for that repair, not that using the adapter once woukd void the warranty.

 

[EVCar]

My understanding was that if damage happened from use of the adapter then the warranty would be void for that repair, not that using the adapter once woukd void the warranty.

MB was deliberately vague on that.
Doesn’t make sense as we have had a few people here doing that repeatedly without any issue.

 

[Navy06]

Thanks to @borski

1) The Lucid “charger” is the Wunderbox charger that is built into the car. However, you’ll hear “charger” overused to mean EVSE because EVSE is so much more annoying to say.

2) EVSE is “Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment.” It is the generic term for the device that regulates the charging, typically third party. For example, Electrify America has lots of EVSEs all around the country. You may hear them called “charging stations”; same idea. There are also home EVSEs you can install, which are the ones like Wallbox pulsar plus, JuiceBox, Chargepoint, etc. *Technically*, the cable the Lucid comes with is also an EVSE, just a relatively dumb one.

3) the Lucid comes with a charging cable (or basic EVSE) in the trunk. It can be used to plug into any NEMA 14-50 outlet (where it will charge at 40 amps) or a 110v outlet (where it will trickle charge *extremely* slowly).

4) the reason to install a home EVSE is two-fold: a) if you hardwire it, it can charge at 48A on a 60A circuit (which is faster than the 40A you’d get on a 50A circuit), and b) you can schedule charging and control it remotely. If you have “time of use” pricing from your utility, the latter point is important so you don’t have to manage plugging in or unplugging manually. You do not *have* to hardwire a third party EVSE and can just plug it into a 14-50. If you do, you don’t get the extra speed but still get the charging automation.

5) if you install an EVSE, you can leave the charging cable or mobile EVSE in the trunk and use it for road trips or emergencies.

6) the Lucid Wallbox EVSE is not out yet, but we are expecting it this month or next month. It will be able to support 80A charging on a 100A circuit (assuming your wiring supports it), and will eventually support V2H (or vehicle 2 home) backup, but not at launch.

7) the charging cable the Lucid is supplied with will work just fine if you have a 14-50 and is all you need; however, be aware that most residential 14-50 outlets are not made for constant plugging and unplugging and are likely to wear out over time. You can install an industrial 14-50 outlet, but those are a bit more expensive.

You mentioned that residential 14-50 are not made for constant plugging and unplugging. I’ve only used my lucid provided charging cable twice since I just got the car but I just leave the cable plugged into the wall 14-50 after charging. The lucid name on the cord remains on but is leaving it plugged in a problem?