Charger FAQ/Explanation

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Thanks to @borski

1) The Lucid “charger” is the Wunderbox charger that is built into the car. However, you’ll hear “charger” overused to mean EVSE because EVSE is so much more annoying to say.

2) EVSE is “Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment.” It is the generic term for the device that regulates the charging, typically third party. For example, Electrify America has lots of EVSEs all around the country. You may hear them called “charging stations”; same idea. There are also home EVSEs you can install, which are the ones like Wallbox pulsar plus, JuiceBox, Chargepoint, etc. *Technically*, the cable the Lucid comes with is also an EVSE, just a relatively dumb one.

3) the Lucid comes with a charging cable (or basic EVSE) in the trunk. It can be used to plug into any NEMA 14-50 outlet (where it will charge at 40 amps) or a 110v outlet (where it will trickle charge *extremely* slowly).

4) the reason to install a home EVSE is two-fold: a) if you hardwire it, it can charge at 48A on a 60A circuit (which is faster than the 40A you’d get on a 50A circuit), and b) you can schedule charging and control it remotely. If you have “time of use” pricing from your utility, the latter point is important so you don’t have to manage plugging in or unplugging manually. You do not *have* to hardwire a third party EVSE and can just plug it into a 14-50. If you do, you don’t get the extra speed but still get the charging automation.

5) if you install an EVSE, you can leave the charging cable or mobile EVSE in the trunk and use it for road trips or emergencies.

6) the Lucid Wallbox EVSE is not out yet, but we are expecting it this month or next month. It will be able to support 80A charging on a 100A circuit (assuming your wiring supports it), and will eventually support V2H (or vehicle 2 home) backup, but not at launch.

7) the charging cable the Lucid is supplied with will work just fine if you have a 14-50 and is all you need; however, be aware that most residential 14-50 outlets are not made for constant plugging and unplugging and are likely to wear out over time. You can install an industrial 14-50 outlet, but those are a bit more expensive.
 
Thanks to @borski

1) The Lucid “charger” is the Wunderbox charger that is built into the car. However, you’ll hear “charger” overused to mean EVSE because EVSE is so much more annoying to say.

2) EVSE is “Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment.” It is the generic term for the device that regulates the charging, typically third party. For example, Electrify America has lots of EVSEs all around the country. You may hear them called “charging stations”; same idea. There are also home EVSEs you can install, which are the ones like Wallbox pulsar plus, JuiceBox, Chargepoint, etc. *Technically*, the cable the Lucid comes with is also an EVSE, just a relatively dumb one.

3) the Lucid comes with a charging cable (or basic EVSE) in the trunk. It can be used to plug into any NEMA 14-50 outlet (where it will charge at 40 amps) or a 110v outlet (where it will trickle charge *extremely* slowly).

4) the reason to install a home EVSE is two-fold: a) if you hardwire it, it can charge at 48A on a 60A circuit (which is faster than the 40A you’d get on a 50A circuit), and b) you can schedule charging and control it remotely. If you have “time of use” pricing from your utility, the latter point is important so you don’t have to manage plugging in or unplugging manually. You do not *have* to hardwire a third party EVSE and can just plug it into a 14-50. If you do, you don’t get the extra speed but still get the charging automation.

5) if you install an EVSE, you can leave the charging cable or mobile EVSE in the trunk and use it for road trips or emergencies.

6) the Lucid Wallbox EVSE is not out yet, but we are expecting it this month or next month. It will be able to support 80A charging on a 100A circuit (assuming your wiring supports it), and will eventually support V2H (or vehicle 2 home) backup, but not at launch.

7) the charging cable the Lucid is supplied with will work just fine if you have a 14-50 and is all you need; however, be aware that most residential 14-50 outlets are not made for constant plugging and unplugging and are likely to wear out over time. You can install an industrial 14-50 outlet, but those are a bit more expensive.
Can the Lucid charge from a Tesla home charger??
 
Thanks to @borski

1) The Lucid “charger” is the Wunderbox charger that is built into the car. However, you’ll hear “charger” overused to mean EVSE because EVSE is so much more annoying to say.

2) EVSE is “Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment.” It is the generic term for the device that regulates the charging, typically third party. For example, Electrify America has lots of EVSEs all around the country. You may hear them called “charging stations”; same idea. There are also home EVSEs you can install, which are the ones like Wallbox pulsar plus, JuiceBox, Chargepoint, etc. *Technically*, the cable the Lucid comes with is also an EVSE, just a relatively dumb one.

3) the Lucid comes with a charging cable (or basic EVSE) in the trunk. It can be used to plug into any NEMA 14-50 outlet (where it will charge at 40 amps) or a 110v outlet (where it will trickle charge *extremely* slowly).

4) the reason to install a home EVSE is two-fold: a) if you hardwire it, it can charge at 48A on a 60A circuit (which is faster than the 40A you’d get on a 50A circuit), and b) you can schedule charging and control it remotely. If you have “time of use” pricing from your utility, the latter point is important so you don’t have to manage plugging in or unplugging manually. You do not *have* to hardwire a third party EVSE and can just plug it into a 14-50. If you do, you don’t get the extra speed but still get the charging automation.

5) if you install an EVSE, you can leave the charging cable or mobile EVSE in the trunk and use it for road trips or emergencies.

6) the Lucid Wallbox EVSE is not out yet, but we are expecting it this month or next month. It will be able to support 80A charging on a 100A circuit (assuming your wiring supports it), and will eventually support V2H (or vehicle 2 home) backup, but not at launch.

7) the charging cable the Lucid is supplied with will work just fine if you have a 14-50 and is all you need; however, be aware that most residential 14-50 outlets are not made for constant plugging and unplugging and are likely to wear out over time. You can install an industrial 14-50 outlet, but those are a bit more expensive.
Thank you for the information hydbob!!
 
Sorry, I am sure this has been answered before but one thing I don't understand, never having owned an EV before....

The Air comes with the EVSE cable/plug, correct?

I plug that into a NEMA 14/50 outlet to charge at home, without needing a Chargepoint or anything else, correct? And it will charger slower than using a Chargepoint, etc.?

When you charge on the road, at a EA station, do I need the cable Lucid provided? or do I use the EA stations cable, much like at a gas station when you use their nozzle and hose?
 
I plug that into a NEMA 14/50 outlet to charge at home, without needing a Chargepoint or anything else, correct? And it will charger slower than using a Chargepoint, etc.?
adding to @HC_79 answer. Yes and it will charge at the same speed as any other EVSE (including ChargePoint) using a NEMA 14-50 outlet pulling 40 amps. The ChargePoint will be faster only if hardwired.
 
Thank you @HC_79 and @Sandwinsd.

Follow up question....if you don't need the the Lucid provided cable for charging at stations, why would you keep it in the trunk? I've heard some people say they would keep it in car for traveling.
 
Thank you @HC_79 and @Sandwinsd.

Follow up question....if you don't need the the Lucid provided cable for charging at stations, why would you keep it in the trunk? I've heard some people say they would keep it in car for traveling.
That's why I keep mine stored in the trunk. It's just a backup like the spare tire. Only in case of emergency!
 
Thank you @HC_79 and @Sandwinsd.

Follow up question....if you don't need the the Lucid provided cable for charging at stations, why would you keep it in the trunk? I've heard some people say they would keep it in car for traveling.

I assume for emergencies where a friendly person would let you plug in (at least long enough for you to get to a charger).
 
Thank you @HC_79 and @Sandwinsd.

Follow up question....if you don't need the the Lucid provided cable for charging at stations, why would you keep it in the trunk? I've heard some people say they would keep it in car for traveling.
In case of emergency, you could charge at a reasonable rate at any campground with 14-50 RV outlets. Just pay for a slot, plug in, and walk somewhere else to eat etc.
 
Thank you @HC_79 and @Sandwinsd.

Follow up question....if you don't need the the Lucid provided cable for charging at stations, why would you keep it in the trunk? I've heard some people say they would keep it in car for traveling.
As a backup and for emergencies for me
 
Thought you folk might be interested in what the electrician told me.
House built in '87 w/200 amp service. Garage is opposite end of house ( about 30m).

1. run 100 amp copper to garage, install new sub-panel and NEMA 14-50
2. move 2 circuits from main to existing sub-panel.
3. permits + inspections
4. upgrade grounding system: 2 more ground rods + hot and cold water pipe grounding
5. remove / replace 5 outlets with GFI (this is not for the Lucid, this is part of safety upgrades)
6. install upgraded surge protection in main panel
~ $6500

option to use self-iginiting aluminum wire will save $1500

Bare minimum: 100 amp aluminum wire, garage sub-panel, NEMA 14-50 ~ $3200

I though he said he's coming today, but I guess not. Sure would be nice to have the Lucid wall wart NOW.
 
What kind and where do I get one?
Be forewarned that I had communication issues with my Tesla wall charger with the light blinking red (the intervals meant comm issue). Some morning it wasn’t charged. I purchased an Autel charger and no issues.
 
Thought you folk might be interested in what the electrician told me.
House built in '87 w/200 amp service. Garage is opposite end of house ( about 30m).

1. run 100 amp copper to garage, install new sub-panel and NEMA 14-50
2. move 2 circuits from main to existing sub-panel.
3. permits + inspections
4. upgrade grounding system: 2 more ground rods + hot and cold water pipe grounding
5. remove / replace 5 outlets with GFI (this is not for the Lucid, this is part of safety upgrades)
6. install upgraded surge protection in main panel
~ $6500

option to use self-iginiting aluminum wire will save $1500

Bare minimum: 100 amp aluminum wire, garage sub-panel, NEMA 14-50 ~ $3200

I though he said he's coming today, but I guess not. Sure would be nice to have the Lucid wall wart NOW.
Agree - does anyone have any further info on the wall wart timing?
 
$6500, wow!
Yes, I was surprised, however this includes a bunch of safety issues existing before that are not necessary to safely charge the car.

I intend to full-integrate the house with solar and take advantage my Lucid mobile back-up battery. I am preparing my home by upgrading all the electrical circuits.

Photos: Bolivian lithium brine at 4k meters. The company that developed cheap lithium and battery grade lithium metal.
 

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I had a 14-50 installed with about 60’ feet of wire for $315 and a bottle of Tito’s.
 
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