Dream Edition aiyoooo!

[hmp10]

I highly doubt it, an eagle eye would’ve spotted it and broke the news before Lucid sent us the invitation emails (I got it from the email obviously)

I was wondering, because the strip of metal under the sill plate looks to be Lunar Titanium, not the black, white, or green which are the only colors being offered.

 

[DrZorro]

I'm curious. Was this on the Lunar Titanium car at the LA Auto Show and later on the tour circuit?

Looks like it's on a green one on my computer. I also wish Lucid would illuminate those plates like other auto manufacturers! They also need a Bear-shaped puddle light projection under the door when you open it! lol

 

[hmp10]

Looks like it's on a green one on my computer. I also wish Lucid would illuminate those plates like other auto manufacturers! They also need a Bear-shaped puddle light projection under the door when you open it! lol

Now that you say that, it does look like green around the sill plate itself. I was focusing on the lighter strip under that.

I was just trying to figure out whether the count started with the Dream Edition prototype or with the first true production car. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter, I guess. Just something to keep me going until my next big Gravity news fix comes along.

By the way, I'm not one of those hoping that ordering the Dream necessarily gets an earlier delivery, as I'm not anxious to repeat the series of minor issues that came with our early Air Dream delivery. I'll take my Gravity when I'm notified it's available, though. My assumption (more like hope, actually) is that after over three years of producing Airs, Lucid has sorted out things such as which trim adhesives hold up, proper oven curing times for molded panels, etc. The fact that almost all reviews of 2025 Air builds are saying the cars are extremely well built is encouraging.

 

[hmp10]

I just encountered this close-up from the Chicago Auto Show of the sill plate in the Lunar Titanium Gravity Dream Edition that has been on the show circuit:

As it does not carry a series number, it would seem the "001" sill plate @Murcie noticed might actually be on a production unit.

 

[suchluke]

For anyone who received the invitation to order Gravity DE, did you all already have GT on order? Was there one person who didn't have GT on previous order and received DE invitation? I highly doubt it but please correct me if I am wrong. This means production line optimization and prioritization based on the backlog of order to get as many as possible of these out the door asap. Without official message from Lucid I doubt there are any differences in motors between GT and DE. As far as lack of 20/21 wheel option it could be simply due to Hankook supply issues or issues with the grip/cornering abilities. I still haven't receive any invitation for DE order even though I was subscribed to their mailing list.

 

[ChrisB]

For anyone who received the invitation to order Gravity DE, did you all already have GT on order? Was there one person who didn't have GT on previous order and received DE invitation? I highly doubt it but please correct me if I am wrong. This means production line optimization and prioritization based on the backlog of order to get as many as possible of these out the door asap. Without official message from Lucid I doubt there are any differences in motors between GT and DE. As far as lack of 20/21 wheel option it could be simply due to Hankook supply issues or issues with the grip/cornering abilities. I still haven't receive any invitation for DE order even though I was subscribed to their mailing list.

From the sound of it. You had to be in 1 of the following categories:

Air DE Owner
Gravity GT Order holder
Air GT Performance Owner

 

[hydbob]

I'm curious. Was this on the Lunar Titanium car at the LA Auto Show and later on the tour circuit?

It's from the picture they included in the DE upgrade email

 

[hmp10]

Without official message from Lucid I doubt there are any differences in motors between GT and DE.

According to a conversation I had with someone in Lucid Product Planning a while back, the Gravity Dream will definitely have a different motor, just as was the case with the Air Dream Edition. The question is whether the Gravity Dream will have the more powerful motor only on the rear axle or on both axles.

The Air Dream Range had a more powerful motor on the rear axle, and the Air Dream Performance had the more powerful motor on both axles. The power increase on the Air Dream Range was 114 hp over the Air Grand Touring (933 hp vs. 819 hp), and the Air Dream Performance added another 178 hp on top of that (933 hp to 1,111 hp) -- a total of a 292 hp spread between the GT and the DEP.

I suspect that the 242 hp increase of the Gravity Dream over the Gravity Grand Touring could mean the more powerful motor on both axles. But as Lucid motors have evolved a bit in the ensuing three years, it might be a while before we find out for sure.

 

[hmp10]

It's from the picture they included in the DE upgrade email

Yep. I found a close-up of the sill plate from the Dream Edition on the show circuit. It had no series number on it (see my post #124, above).

 

[hmp10]

It's from the picture they included in the DE upgrade email

I just went back and dug up the email I got. Since I had already gotten the alert on the forum that DE orders had opened, I did not bother to scroll down through the email.

Now that I have, I noticed a couple of things:

I am not a fan of the bear decal on the front fenders. Since there is no delete option, I'm assuming the decal can be easily removed? (I'm planning to get the car wrapped with PPF as soon after delivery as possible so will need to make the decision quickly.)

The Dream Edition on the show circuit had "Dream Edition" embossed into the leather on the front door panels. I wonder why the production Dream dispensed with that? It was a very handsome yet subtle piece of badging.

 

[californiaboy935]

Looks like it's on a green one on my computer. I also wish Lucid would illuminate those plates like other auto manufacturers! They also need a Bear-shaped puddle light projection under the door when you open it! lol

@Denali_Dane could probably rig up a bear shaped puddle light!!! Would be awesome I wish I got an invite; but not in the cards I guess!!

 

[Amster]

@Denali_Dane could probably rig up a bear shaped puddle light!!! Would be awesome I wish I got an invite; but not in the cards I guess!!

If @Denali_Dane rigs up a bear shaped puddle light that can be added to the Air, I want one!

 

[hydbob]

If @Denali_Dane rigs up a bear shaped puddle light that can be added to the Air, I want one!

the puddle light under the door is SUPER dim, me and @Bobby tried to make a different one, but the light was too dim and I didn't want to start messing with finding a replacement at the time. We had just fiddled with changing the cover to the light but it didn't work out so well. Maybe the Gravity will have a brighter light that lends to a different setup =)

 

[Adnillien]

According to a conversation I had with someone in Lucid Product Planning a while back, the Gravity Dream will definitely have a different motor, just as was the case with the Air Dream Edition. The question is whether the Gravity Dream will have the more powerful motor only on the rear axle or on both axles.

The Air Dream Range had a more powerful motor on the rear axle, and the Air Dream Performance had the more powerful motor on both axles. The power increase on the Air Dream Range was 114 hp over the Air Grand Touring (933 hp vs. 819 hp), and the Air Dream Performance added another 178 hp on top of that (933 hp to 1,111 hp) -- a total of a 292 hp spread between the GT and the DEP.

I suspect that the 242 hp increase of the Gravity Dream over the Gravity Grand Touring could mean the more powerful motor on both axles. But as Lucid motors have evolved a bit in the ensuing three years, it might be a while before we find out for sure.

If I were to guess, the DE Gravity will just change the front motor/inverter. If you remember the video with Emad and an associate of Munro, they discussed the arrangement and number of SiC MOSFETS in the inverter module and how the motor windings were utilized. Although the module was the same, the number of MOSFETS in the module was different between front/rear and GT/Touring/Pure. My guess is that the front inverter in the DE changes from 2-pair of MOSFETS to 3-Pair and the winding arrangement is modified along with that. The Gravity motors are different than the Air motors so it may be possible to get the HP increase by just changing the front motor.

 

[hmp10]

If I were to guess, the DE Gravity will just change the front motor/inverter. If you remember the video with Emad and an associate of Munro, they discussed the arrangement and number of SiC MOSFETS in the inverter module and how the motor windings were utilized. Although the module was the same, the number of MOSFETS in the module was different between front/rear and GT/Touring/Pure. My guess is that the front inverter in the DE changes from 2-pair of MOSFETS to 3-Pair and the winding arrangement is modified along with that. The Gravity motors are different than the Air motors so it may be possible to get the HP increase by just changing the front motor.

I'm no techie when it comes to this. Does it mean that using the rear motor as a transformer for DCFC means that the more powerful Dream motor could only go on the front axle of the Gravity instead of on the rear as it did with the Air Dreams? What effect would front-biasing the power delivery in that way have on traction under hard acceleration and on handling?

 

[flarbear]

I think my final decision about upgrading comes down to the fact that they chose more power over more range for the DE.

I'm OK with paying more for the upgrade if it comes earlier and if it doesn't detract from what I want in the car. Even if there was no change, I might have considered it.

As for the power upgrade, I'm fine with the base motors. Upgrading them would be interesting, but it wouldn't be a factor in the decision.

370 miles is a pretty good range, even in today's world, but far short of the 437 I have on order. The 67 mile loss of range is too much for me to consider it "as good or better" than what I ordered.

If I had wanted the larger wheels and I had already accepted the loss of range that came with them (as I have accepted the minor loss for the 3rd row), then I would probably have jumped on the offer.

I also think there is probably a good reason that they went with +power and not with +range. Upgraded motors probably take little, if any, extra room to add. They probably already had the space planned for a potential performance model (or sapphire?), so putting them in now to create the DE was a simple engineering/manufacturing tweak. But, the space for the battery pack was probably planned too finely to just find some space for more batteries at this stage. The space planning was pretty aggressive. The only way I could see this having been done is that they could have used the 3rd row footwell for added batteries, but then the DE would only come in a 5 seat config, and that wouldn't sit well with their "all the options and goodies" DE philosophy.

 

[Adnillien]

I'm no techie when it comes to this. Does it mean that using the rear motor as a transformer for DCFC means that the more powerful Dream motor could only go on the front axle of the Gravity instead of on the rear as it did with the Air Dreams? What effect would front-biasing the power delivery in that way have on traction under hard acceleration and on handling?

The rear motor inverter use in DC to DC boost is not a factor here. I just assumed the the rear motor was already configured with 3-pairs of MOSFETS in the inverter.

 

[suchluke]

I think my final decision about upgrading comes down to the fact that they chose more power over more range for the DE.

I'm OK with paying more for the upgrade if it comes earlier and if it doesn't detract from what I want in the car. Even if there was no change, I might have considered it.

As for the power upgrade, I'm fine with the base motors. Upgrading them would be interesting, but it wouldn't be a factor in the decision.

370 miles is a pretty good range, even in today's world, but far short of the 437 I have on order. The 67 mile loss of range is too much for me to consider it "as good or better" than what I ordered.

If I had wanted the larger wheels and I had already accepted the loss of range that came with them (as I have accepted the minor loss for the 3rd row), then I would probably have jumped on the offer.

I also think there is probably a good reason that they went with +power and not with +range. Upgraded motors probably take little, if any, extra room to add. They probably already had the space planned for a potential performance model (or sapphire?), so putting them in now to create the DE was a simple engineering/manufacturing tweak. But, the space for the battery pack was probably planned too finely to just find some space for more batteries at this stage. The space planning was pretty aggressive. The only way I could see this having been done is that they could have used the 3rd row footwell for added batteries, but then the DE would only come in a 5 seat config, and that wouldn't sit well with their "all the options and goodies" DE philosophy.

The housing of the motor is most likely the same. The internals will be different as Adnillien specified to increase power output.

 

[hmp10]

The rear motor inverter use in DC to DC boost is not a factor here. I just assumed the the rear motor was already configured with 3-pairs of MOSFETS in the inverter.

Again, you lose me when you get into inverter technology. But, although the inverters are part of the drive units, aren't they actually a separate component from the motors themselves? If so, couldn't the inverter with 3 pairs of MOSFETS be ganged with the either the standard or the Dream motor?

I've never heard of a performance version of a vehicle that is front-end biased for power delivery as would be the case with putting a more powerful motor on the front. The Air Dream motors actually bumped the torque up more than the horsepower, and if the Gravity Dream motors do the same that would seem to exacerbate potential problems with the handling. You'd be putting more torque on the end with the narrower tires, the tires that do the steering, and the end that weight shifts away from under hard acceleration thus causing power cutbacks from traction control to intervene earlier.

 

[Adnillien]

Again, you lose me when you get into inverter technology. But, although the inverters are part of the drive units, aren't they actually a separate component from the motors themselves? If so, couldn't the inverter with 3 pairs of MOSFETS be ganged with the either the standard or the Dream motor?

I've never heard of a performance version of a vehicle that is front-end biased for power delivery as would be the case with putting a more powerful motor on the front. The Air Dream motors actually bumped the torque up more than the horsepower, and if the Gravity Dream motors do the same that would seem to exacerbate potential problems with the handling. You'd be putting more torque on the end with the narrower tires, the tires that do the steering, and the end that weight shifts away from under hard acceleration thus causing power cutbacks from traction control to intervene earlier.

The inverters control how much current you can put through the motor windings. In the Emad/Munro video, I believe Emad said the Air GT had 3-Pairs of MOSFETS in the rear and 2-pair in the front. I am assuming that Gravity is configured similarly. It is easier to get a big boost current in the front than the rear. You are exactly right that you want more torque in the rear (wider tires) than the front, especially during heavy acceleration (load shift). The question becomes how much the hp output from the rear can be increased with software.