Charging manners: should you educate folk hogging to 100% SOC ?

[Bunnylebowski]

Tesla has a better handle on this with their superchargers (copied from Bard):

• "High-usage Supercharger Station: Max battery charge of 80%" This message will appear if you are charging at a Supercharger station that is experiencing high usage. Tesla limits the charge of your car to 80% in order to manage demand and ensure that everyone has a fair chance to use the station.
• "Your car's charge limit has been automatically reduced to 80% due to high demand at this Supercharger station." This message will appear if you are charging at a Supercharger station that is experiencing high usage and you have not overridden the charge limit.
• "You can override the charge limit to 100%, but this is not recommended as it can put more stress on your car's battery." This message will appear if you are charging at a Supercharger station that is experiencing high usage and you have chosen to override the charge limit.

Also, when all the chargers at a Tesla Supercharger are in use or there is high usage, you may see one of the following messages on your car's touchscreen:

• "Supercharger is busy. Please wait for a charger to become available." This message will appear if all the chargers at the Supercharger are currently in use. You can check the status of the Superchargers in the Tesla app to see if any chargers are expected to become available soon.
• "Supercharger is at high usage. Please unplug when your car is fully charged." This message will appear if the Supercharger is experiencing high usage. Tesla charges idle fees for Superchargers that are left plugged in after they are fully charged. The idle fee amount varies depending on the location of the Supercharger.
• "You are incurring idle fees." This message will appear if your car has been plugged into a Supercharger for more than a certain amount of time after it has been fully charged. The idle fee amount will be displayed on the car's touchscreen.

This is great. That combined with @Bobby note would do wonders.

 

[extesla]

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Sadly with regards to the second point, you come across people like my barber who just leased his first EV, a Model Y. When I mentioned about charging above 80% and the effect on battery life, his response was “I’m leasing for three years, why should I care about battery life”.

 

[Electrified]

Twice I have politely asked (both times the cars were over 90%) at EA's Evergreen Park, IL charging location if they would mind letting me in since the 90-100 charge is so slow; both times the driver said no problem. This particular location gets a lot of Uber and Lyft drivers and while I'm certainly not going to brawl with anyone over a charge, I will ask for some brotherly consideration.

 

[changinator]

Lack of information is not the problem. Most know better because no one is going to transition to an electric vehicle without doing at least a small amount of research. They do it anyways mostly because:

1. Public DC fast charging is their primary source of charging, plus..
2. They have free unlimited Electrify America charging, so why not?
3. They don't care about hogging up stations (Some will offer to give up their spot once >80%, but some won't)
4. They're leasing, loaning, or don't intend to own long term and don't care about their battery health
5. They're shopping/eating
6. (Least likely) They're on a road trip that has long gaps between chargers

"Educating" folks is actually just shaming folks, because they aren't ignorant of this information. Although sometimes effective, it may be potentially risky to enter in a possible hostile confrontation with certain drivers.

Systemically, I think more focus should be on increasing or establishing more EV chargers at all work places so that people without home charging can rely on those

 

[T-Dog]

While I agree that people suck sometimes, always remember that people have circumstances that are unknown to us. What if he needs every last mile to go visit his mother who is in hospice care? What if there’s a situation of which we are unaware?

Bobby, the owner of the charging vehicle could simply say “I need —— miles to get to my mother in hospice care. That is exactly what I would do if my vehicle required more than an 80% charge and someone was waiting. Some trips may take more than 80%. Be considerate and tell anyone waiting that is the reason you are still there.

 

[T-Dog]

Lack of information is not the problem. Most know better because no one is going to transition to an electric vehicle without doing at least a small amount of research. They do it anyways mostly because:

1. Public DC fast charging is their primary source of charging, plus..
2. They have free unlimited Electrify America charging, so why not?
3. They don't care about hogging up stations (Some will offer to give up their spot once >80%, but some won't)
4. They're leasing, loaning, or don't intend to own long term and don't care about their battery health
5. They're shopping/eating
6. (Least likely) They're on a road trip that has long gaps between chargers

"Educating" folks is actually just shaming folks, because they aren't ignorant of this information. Although sometimes effective, it may be potentially risky to enter in a possible hostile confrontation with certain drivers.

Systemically, I think more focus should be on increasing or establishing more EV chargers at all work places so that people without home charging can rely on those

Educating is not shaming unless that is ones intention. They may be ignorant. Speaking to a fellow EV owner is only hostile if you go into it with that intention. Pardon me for saying so but if an EV owner relies on public charging, not investing in a home charger, perhaps wait to buy an electric vehicle. Relying on public charging does not sound like a sound plan to me. Unless there is a public charger at their workplace, that might work. Why would someone buy and electric vehicle and not invest in a home charger?

 

[T-Dog]

I usually interact politely with folks that are charging beyond the 80. “Hi there! Are you planning on going all the way to 100%?” That helps me gauge how long I will have to wait. First come first served… over time this problem will disappear as more and more chargers are deployed and less and less vehicles have “free“ charging.

Bobby, more and more chargers are deployed? HURRY. Functioning EA chargers are sorely needed! Functioning Chargers.

 

[T-Dog]

Yes. I would not make fast assumptions. I charged to 100 last night, because the nearest next charger is over 280 miles away. Didn’t want to risk getting stuck if I happen to not quite get ideal efficiency. I could probably make it with 90%, but why take a chance?

Of course, it was 9pm, and there were zero other cars using the station. If it had filled up, I would have volunteered to move out of the way until others could get to their usual 80 or whatever.

There you go…..common consideration. No one was waiting for a charger.

 

[Worldwide Beagle]

Educating is not shaming unless that is ones intention. They may be ignorant. Speaking to a fellow EV owner is only hostile if you go into it with that intention. Pardon me for saying so but if an EV owner relies on public charging, not investing in a home charger, perhaps wait to buy an electric vehicle. Relying on public charging does not sound like a sound plan to me. Unless there is a public charger at their workplace, that might work. Why would someone buy and electric vehicle and not invest in a home charger?

I was surprised when an Audi manager told me they tell all prospective BEV buyers that: without a good level 2 home charger, "the owner experience will be 'compromised.". I was impressed they were honest. Hell, my local utility gave me a free $750 Charge Point, will give rebates of up to $1200 for wiring, and if it costs more, will pay the sparky directly and finance the rest, 0%, on your bill each month. As a very new BEV owner, I am amazed at the incentives for home level 2. (Spent my holiday today pulling 6AWG thhn for my new Lucid setup - was using my plasma cutter receptacle)

 

[changinator]

Educating is not shaming unless that is ones intention. They may be ignorant. Speaking to a fellow EV owner is only hostile if you go into it with that intention. Pardon me for saying so but if an EV owner relies on public charging, not investing in a home charger, perhaps wait to buy an electric vehicle. Relying on public charging does not sound like a sound plan to me. Unless there is a public charger at their workplace, that might work. Why would someone buy and electric vehicle and not invest in a home charger?

My point is they're likely not ignorant, unless they're actually literally fumbling around. It doesn't matter what your intention is, some people are just hostile and potentially dangerous regardless.

Because most apartments have more hurdles and liabilities than homes with private garages to install a home charger. And because why pay any money at all, home or public, when public DC charging is 100% free (for some cars). If you DC charge at EA often, you'll notice its mostly cars that get free EA charging that frequently take up the stalls

 

[sk8ndad]

Educating is not shaming unless that is ones intention. They may be ignorant. Speaking to a fellow EV owner is only hostile if you go into it with that intention. Pardon me for saying so but if an EV owner relies on public charging, not investing in a home charger, perhaps wait to buy an electric vehicle. Relying on public charging does not sound like a sound plan to me. Unless there is a public charger at their workplace, that might work. Why would someone buy and electric vehicle and not invest in a home charger?

There are plenty of people that don’t have an option to charge at home. Think of apartments and condos or homes with no off street parking. These are challenges that must be met for EV adoption.

 

[Worldwide Beagle]

Sadly with regards to the second point, you come across people like my barber who just leased his first EV, a Model Y. When I mentioned about charging above 80% and the effect on battery life, his response was “I’m leasing for three years, why should I care about battery life”.

I lucked out. Guess I will never have that conversation since I shave my head.

I believe people look for confirmation or verification to excuse or explain away their inconsiderate or bad acts. Ask yourself, if he was not leasing, would he THEN give a rats ass about the battery?

 

[Bunnylebowski]

I was surprised when an Audi manager told me they tell all prospective BEV buyers that: without a good level 2 home charger, "the owner experience will be 'compromised.". I was impressed they were honest. Hell, my local utility gave me a free $750 Charge Point, will give rebates of up to $1200 for wiring, and if it costs more, will pay the sparky directly and finance the rest, 0%, on your bill each month. As a very new BEV owner, I am amazed at the incentives for home level 2. (Spent my holiday today pulling 6AWG thhn for my new Lucid setup - was using my plasma cutter receptacle)

I had to upgrade my house to 200amp, trench copper wire to my detached garage so I could put in a 220v plug to charge the car. It cost 10K because all these parts are in high demand and short supply. But my solar company paid for it because I had to upgrade the panel anyway to install solar. And then I got a $26K tax credit because of the solar and a $7500 credit because of the Lucid. And I’m making $160 a month off the solar, electric bill is $38, solar payments are $178, so my effective energy cost is $46 a month. Take advantage of these credits while you can!!! I know that sounds like some Facebook spam ad but right now it’s true.

 

[Worldwide Beagle]

There are plenty of people that don’t have an option to charge at home. Think of apartments and condos or homes with no off street parking. These are challenges that must be met for EV adoption.

Denver now requires all new homes and condos to have provisions for BEV charging in the garage. It may be just an 1" conduit from the service panel to the garage, but it's a start

 

[Worldwide Beagle]

I had to upgrade my house to 200amp, trench copper wire to my detached garage so I could put in a 220v plug to charge the car. It cost 10K because all these parts are in high demand and short supply. But my solar company paid for it because I had to upgrade the panel anyway to install solar. And then I got a $26K tax credit because of the solar and a $7500 credit because of the Lucid. And I’m making $160 a month off the solar, electric bill is $38, solar payments are $178, so my effective energy cost is $46 a month. Take advantage of these credits while you can!!! I know that sounds like some Facebook spam ad but right now it’s true.

That is freaking awesome. (The solar, that is) I am lucky, my wife is a fused glass artist with 70 amp kilns. I put a 125 amp subpanel in the garage for her. She moved years ago to commercial space (with 3 phase) and we left the 240v wiring and breakers. I thought: the next owner will think all this wiring is nuts. but not NOW!

 

[Steveinarizona]

For some reason I expect better out of EV owners, but I’m often reminded that some people just suck.

EV owners are no different than ICE owners. A huge percentage of them suck!

 

[Electrified]

I had to upgrade my house to 200amp, trench copper wire to my detached garage so I could put in a 220v plug to charge the car. It cost 10K because all these parts are in high demand and short supply. But my solar company paid for it because I had to upgrade the panel anyway to install solar. And then I got a $26K tax credit because of the solar and a $7500 credit because of the Lucid. And I’m making $160 a month off the solar, electric bill is $38, solar payments are $178, so my effective energy cost is $46 a month. Take advantage of these credits while you can!!! I know that sounds like some Facebook spam ad but right now it’s true.

Nicely done with the credits and the money you're making on the solar

 

[Dhimiter]

Yeah they need to be like $5/minute though. See my story above…

They need to be a lot more than that and graduated. The longer you sit idle, the more each minute costs.

In Norway they’ve found a fix for the weight of the penalty hurting everyone the same. A speeding ticket costs 10% of your annual income. Would love to see this implemented here.

 

[Dhimiter]

Tesla has a better handle on this with their superchargers (copied from Bard):

• "High-usage Supercharger Station: Max battery charge of 80%" This message will appear if you are charging at a Supercharger station that is experiencing high usage. Tesla limits the charge of your car to 80% in order to manage demand and ensure that everyone has a fair chance to use the station.
• "Your car's charge limit has been automatically reduced to 80% due to high demand at this Supercharger station." This message will appear if you are charging at a Supercharger station that is experiencing high usage and you have not overridden the charge limit.
• "You can override the charge limit to 100%, but this is not recommended as it can put more stress on your car's battery." This message will appear if you are charging at a Supercharger station that is experiencing high usage and you have chosen to override the charge limit.

Also, when all the chargers at a Tesla Supercharger are in use or there is high usage, you may see one of the following messages on your car's touchscreen:

• "Supercharger is busy. Please wait for a charger to become available." This message will appear if all the chargers at the Supercharger are currently in use. You can check the status of the Superchargers in the Tesla app to see if any chargers are expected to become available soon.
• "Supercharger is at high usage. Please unplug when your car is fully charged." This message will appear if the Supercharger is experiencing high usage. Tesla charges idle fees for Superchargers that are left plugged in after they are fully charged. The idle fee amount varies depending on the location of the Supercharger.
• "You are incurring idle fees." This message will appear if your car has been plugged into a Supercharger for more than a certain amount of time after it has been fully charged. The idle fee amount will be displayed on the car's touchscreen.

Had this same experience in a rental Model 3. I thought it was brilliant. Can’t wait for Lucid to call and offer NACS retrofit. I’ll be the first to raise my hand. Hell, I’ll even gladly pay twice the rate per kW if I can use their network in the Lucid at full speed.

 

[Bunnylebowski]

Had this same experience in a rental Model 3. I thought it was brilliant. Can’t wait for Lucid to call and offer NACS retrofit. I’ll be the first to raise my hand. Hell, I’ll even gladly pay twice the rate per kW if I can use their network in the Lucid at full speed.

Yeah if they can do 150kw or better and can make the cable longer, then I’d be on board, anything less isn’t worth it. The actual initiation of the MagicDock charging on the Lucid was actually faster than EA “Plug and Charge”. We got enough 100kw EVGo in Rhode Island as you know, and plenty of them on the west coast where you’re moving as well.