Vampire Drain Analysis

[Darax]

There is simply no way your laptop is faster than that. You are thinking of just pressing the power button, which puts it to sleep. In my experiences with M1 Macs, iPhones, and i7 laptops, none boot faster than the car from a reset when ACTUALLY shut down.

My Mac boots in less than 30 seconds.

 

[HariK]

My Mac boots in less than 30 seconds.

That is just one computer vs many in Lucid which also need to be in sync with others in the car.

 

[Tesla2.0]

Here is Vampire drain test #4 (Latest)
14 days Vampire drain

Lucid AirGT 76% -> 72%
Rivian R1S QuadM 77% -> 66%

Air GT lost 4%
112kWh * -4% = -4.4 kWh

R1S lost 11%
135kWh * -11% = -14.85 kWh

Relative energy loss
Lucid Air GT = -4.4kWh/85.12kWh = -3.75%
Rivian R1S = -14.85kWh/103.95kWh = -14.3%

VERDICT:
Lucid Air GT lost 0.31kW per day
RivusnnR1S lost 1.06kW per day

During 14 days, I didnot access Lucid Air in mobile app. However, on R1S, I checked Rivian app 3 times for notification of new OTA update to be preliminarily ready for Tesla charging station appear in native navigation system.

 

[sbr41]

One more datapoint if it helps - I was out of country for 5 weeks and my car was charged to 80% when I left. It was not plugged in.
Out of curiosity on how the car is doing, I used to wake it up remotely 1-2 times every week to check on battery charge, interior temperature.
After 5 weeks by the time I returned home, it was down to 69% SOC. Not bad I think, given my continual communication.
Edit: I also installed a couple of OTAs during those 5 weeks. So that might have contributed to the drain as well.

 

[Tesla2.0]

One more datapoint if it helps - I was out of country for 5 weeks and my car was charged to 80% when I left. It was not plugged in.
Out of curiosity on how the car is doing, I used to wake it up remotely 1-2 times every week to check on battery charge, interior temperature.
After 5 weeks by the time I returned home, it was down to 69% SOC. Not bad I think, given my continual communication.
Edit: I also installed a couple of OTAs during those 5 weeks. So that might have contributed to the drain as well.

-11% in 35 day + couple OTA updates is actually very impressive result.

 

[kort6776]

I posted a thread about the vampire drain that I am experiencing in my '23 AGT.

a moderator closed down the thread to comments and referred me to this thread.

with all due respect there is very little knowledge regarding vampire drain in the car being shared in this thread.

I really don't care about what tesla or rivian or other EV owners are experiencing.

I currently have an Ipace that has ZERO vampire drain and recently disposed of a Taycan 4s that rarely showed any sort of vampire drain, in addition I suffered with the tesla vampire drains on 3 different cars, big deal! who cares?

the question looking for answers is about LUCID vampire draining

so the question is, is losing 10+ miles a day on my '23 AGT normal?

background info;
I do not wake the car via the app.
I live in florida, so there is no excessively cold days or nights
the car is kept overnight in a climate controlled garage

so is there anyone who can advise me on what is going on with the car that it is draining so much energy?

 

[DeaneG]

My car loses 1% every 3-4 days when I let it sleep without waking via phone app, etc. So this would be about a mile per day.
Commonly, faster vampire drain is caused by having the mobile phone key or fob too close to the car, causing it to wake repeatedly when not in use. Opening the phone app to check on charge also wakes the car and increases drain.

I keep my fobs in faraday pouches when not in use, as we store them near the car. I'm not sure if this is still necessary.

 

[joec]

My car loses 1% every 3-4 days when I let it sleep without waking via phone app, etc. So this would be about a mile per day.
Commonly, faster vampire drain is caused by having the mobile phone key or fob too close to the car, causing it to wake repeatedly when not in use. Opening the phone app to check on charge also wakes the car and increases drain.

I keep my fobs in faraday pouches when not in use, as we store them near the car. I'm not sure if this is still necessary.

Same. When my car sat for three months waiting to be worked on by the body shop, it lost less than 1% per day. Vampire drain much higher than that is either from frequent wake ups, or something that would be worth checking by service. Many many users have reported similar low vampire drain. It’s not a problem when all is functioning properly.

 

[Bobby]

Same. When my car sat for three months waiting to be worked on by the body shop, it lost less than 1% per day. Vampire drain much higher than that is either from frequent wake ups, or something that would be worth checking by service. Many many users have reported similar low vampire drain. It’s not a problem when all is functioning properly.

1/4 of 1% per day seems to be the consensus.

 

[Bobby]

I posted a thread about the vampire drain that I am experiencing in my '23 AGT.

a moderator closed down the thread to comments and referred me to this thread.

with all due respect there is very little knowledge regarding vampire drain in the car being shared in this thread.

I really don't care about what tesla or rivian or other EV owners are experiencing.

I currently have an Ipace that has ZERO vampire drain and recently disposed of a Taycan 4s that rarely showed any sort of vampire drain, in addition I suffered with the tesla vampire drains on 3 different cars, big deal! who cares?

the question looking for answers is about LUCID vampire draining

so the question is, is losing 10+ miles a day on my '23 AGT normal?

background info;
I do not wake the car via the app.
I live in florida, so there is no excessively cold days or nights
the car is kept overnight in a climate controlled garage

so is there anyone who can advise me on what is going on with the car that it is draining so much energy?

Do you have Wi-Fi connected in the car? This can use a little bit more. Also, do you have passive unlocking turned on? This can use a little bit as well. Change your range indicator from miles to % and see how much percent is lost on an average day.

 

[Andretex]

Moral of the story…. Wait for the Gravity to come out. don't buy a Rivian!

 

[borski]

I posted a thread about the vampire drain that I am experiencing in my '23 AGT.

a moderator closed down the thread to comments and referred me to this thread.

with all due respect there is very little knowledge regarding vampire drain in the car being shared in this thread.

I really don't care about what tesla or rivian or other EV owners are experiencing.

I currently have an Ipace that has ZERO vampire drain and recently disposed of a Taycan 4s that rarely showed any sort of vampire drain, in addition I suffered with the tesla vampire drains on 3 different cars, big deal! who cares?

the question looking for answers is about LUCID vampire draining

so the question is, is losing 10+ miles a day on my '23 AGT normal?

background info;
I do not wake the car via the app.
I live in florida, so there is no excessively cold days or nights
the car is kept overnight in a climate controlled garage

so is there anyone who can advise me on what is going on with the car that it is draining so much energy?

(The goal is to keep the threads/info condensed; asking here was the right thing if there isn’t already info for you. That’s the only reason the thread was moved. Perhaps we should have merged it instead. Noted for next time.)

 

[kort6776]

Do you have Wi-Fi connected in the car? This can use a little bit more. Also, do you have passive unlocking turned on? This can use a little bit as well. Change your range indicator from miles to % and see how much percent is lost on an average day.

the car is way out of range of the key fobs or wifi or blue tooth. the car resides in a ground level garage and I am five floors above it in a concrete building.
maybe it is worth contacting lucid. I'll need to document the actual range losses.

 

[Knucklehead]

1/4 of 1% per day seems to be the consensus.

Is 1% every 4 days still what most people are experiencing? It has been a few months since this thread was updated...

 

[hydbob]

Is 1% every 4 days still what most people are experiencing? It has been a few months since this thread was updated...

No it's about 1%/week or more. But only for temperate weather. I was gone for 3 weeks and lost 2% in my garaged car in SoCal.

 

[DeaneG]

My Air GT lost about 5% in three weeks in a 60F garage.
Our Volvo EV lost 0% in the same time. But they are a league apart in technology.

 

[fadooly]

from the way I see it is seems to me 80% is like 79.9%

As soon as your BMS reads 80.00% it will stop charging and in no time it will be 79.9%

So if you want true 80% you have to charge to 81%

 

[dscafetta]

Really no choice but to live with it. I have at least 1-2% vampire drain per day and Lucid has noting to help but excuses.

 

[Knucklehead]

It is so interesting that Lucid, Rivian and Tesla (although I understand it has greatly improved over the years) all have a problem with vampire drain. I am not aware of any legacy auto company with a vampire drain issue. My Mach-e, for example, can sit for a week and not drain at all.

1-2% per day is excessive, and I am not sure I could live with that. It is something I am going to be watching very closely when people start reporting their Gravity experiences. I have been trying to decide between the R1T Tri Max and Gravity, and the R1 Gen2 seems to be much better regarding vampire drain. But there are some people reporting unacceptable drain. Grrr.

1-2% a week is totally acceptable to me. 1-2% a day is not. The reason I care, is because I could arrive at the airport with 60% SoC, and if the car sits for two weeks, I might not be able to make it home. Or worse, the car is dead. Not acceptable at all. I can't buy a car that I cannot park at the airport for two weeks.

 

[borski]

It is so interesting that Lucid, Rivian and Tesla (although I understand it has greatly improved over the years) all have a problem with vampire drain. I am not aware of any legacy auto company with a vampire drain issue. My Mach-e, for example, can sit for a week and not drain at all.

1-2% per day is excessive, and I am not sure I could live with that. It is something I am going to be watching very closely when people start reporting their Gravity experiences. I have been trying to decide between the R1T Tri Max and Gravity, and the R1 Gen2 seems to be much better regarding vampire drain. But there are some people reporting unacceptable drain. Grrr.

1-2% a week is totally acceptable to me. 1-2% a day is not. The reason I care, is because I could arrive at the airport with 60% SoC, and if the car sits for two weeks, I might not be able to make it home. Or worse, the car is dead. Not acceptable at all. I can't buy a car that I cannot park at the airport for two weeks.

If you are losing 1-2% per day and the temperature is not freezing cold, your car is waking up too much. I lose 0.1-0.25%/day. I lose a lot more if I wake up the car constantly with the app.

I’ve left it in my garage unplugged for almost a month before with no problems; also, many airports have EV plugs now.