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Tesla owner here, let me share my experience.
I recently visited a lucid showroom and wanted to see what Lucid owners are experiencing and found this forum. First and foremost, I have a 2013 Model S, it’s been my best car (my previous was a Lexus LS460 $90k), the Model S was and still is several leagues above the Lexus 460 in performance, reliability, and especially software. As far as the software goes, there has been some miner issues that were easily fixed with an update. Issues such as internet connectivity where the music doesn’t play does occur once a year, but Tesla is on it the minute it happens, within 2-3 days my software issues become a nonissue, longest I’ve had to wait was 2 weeks for software to resolve itself. My door handles work every time, battery charge lock trunk, frunk (100% works every time), Bluetooth car key never fails unless no internet connectivity. This is evident in 2018 when Consumer Reports stated that the Tesla Model 3 doesn’t brake quick enough, over the weekend Tesla got to work and released an update (problem solved). The infotainment is smooth in my 2013, but even smoother in my 2019… My experience with Tesla has been so terrific in terms of ownership that my family also owns two model 3s both in white, and I currently have the Cybertruck on order. And within 2-3 years after receiving my Cybertruck I plan on purchasing the $200k Roadster. As far as autopilot, I trust it enough to use it whenever I can, it’s truly a de-stressor when you drive with autopilot, it really makes the trip easier on the mind and body. The greatest advantage is no range anxiety as charging is everywhere (installing this is harder said than done, just look at how many Porsche or VW has installed, barely any….). In short, Tesla ownership is like the iPhone ownership, I’m a fan of both for life. Tesla didn’t just sell over 930,000 vehicles in 2021 because they’re mediocre, they’re now Britain’s top selling car (gas or EV, they’re #1), and that speaks volumes. Let the numbers speak for themselves, whether it be in Europe or China, Teslas are flying off the shelf and the wait time is LONG. As a fan of EVs, let me give enthusiasts a warning.
The top issue concerning any new EV company isn’t just software, it’s the batteries! This is by far the most expensive component of the car. After 8 years of the Model S, my batteries have only lost 7% charge, which is mind blowing! And they’re doing this with the old 18650 batteries, today the 2100 is even better! Just wait until the 4800 batteries come out and you’ll really see several step up in performance. The reason Tesla’s batteries have world class reliability is in the way they packs it, the way they designs it’s thermal management and charging system. Tesla makes it look easy, but in fact this it’s by far the trickiest part of designing an EV. Just look at the Bolt and how many cars they’ve sold (tons), but their batteries were recently deemed unsafe and will face massive recalls due to it catching on fire and now GM has halted production. How about Porsche? Similar story, recently a Porsche engineer who is a whistleblower spoke out and stated that Porsche is also suffering from battery and fire issues (you can Google it).
How about other companies? Consumer Reports picked up a Fisker Karma (great looking car), but mired by software issues and ended up dying on the road during CR test drive, game over (Fisker went bankrupt shortly after). Long story short, I wish Lucid luck, and I hope they do well, but I would not pick one up unless Lucid can prove itself for the next 2-3 years as a reliable car maker. Making a few dozen cars is easy, becoming profitable is the hardest part, and this is where every EV maker aside from Tesla will struggle. Battery longevity and durability issues won’t reveal itself until 2-3 years down the road, will Lucid overcome this hurdle, or will they have to recall every car, halt production and end up like Fisker? Look no further than Delorean, great looking car, mired with issues, they produced 9,000 cars and still went bankrupt. In the past 100 years dozens of car companies have gone bankrupt, it’s absolutely a nightmare of a business dealing with the hardware, add in the complexity of software and it becomes that much harder. This is why I’m a fan of Tesla, what they’re doing isn’t by luck, Musk is a rocket scientist and has the best team of engineers at his disposal, which is why theyre able to create the Octavalve (SpaceX and Tesla collaboration). And guess where the #1 and #2 top picks for engineering students across Universities and Ivy League wants to work at (SpaceX and tesla respectively)?So while I wish Lucid luck, I would not bash Tesla, especially when the best of the best ends up working there, while everyone else gets leftovers. Again, I wish Lucid success as this business is HARD, and I want to see American car companies thrive. But this is no cakewalk guys, if you’re “hoping” issues will resolve itself a few months down the road, you may be in for a unpleasant surprise. Wait it out and see where the tech goes, it’s an expensive purchase, and I would not roll the dice base on hope. VW had months if not years to get their software together in the ID3, that car too, is mired with issues.
Best.
I recently visited a lucid showroom and wanted to see what Lucid owners are experiencing and found this forum. First and foremost, I have a 2013 Model S, it’s been my best car (my previous was a Lexus LS460 $90k), the Model S was and still is several leagues above the Lexus 460 in performance, reliability, and especially software. As far as the software goes, there has been some miner issues that were easily fixed with an update. Issues such as internet connectivity where the music doesn’t play does occur once a year, but Tesla is on it the minute it happens, within 2-3 days my software issues become a nonissue, longest I’ve had to wait was 2 weeks for software to resolve itself. My door handles work every time, battery charge lock trunk, frunk (100% works every time), Bluetooth car key never fails unless no internet connectivity. This is evident in 2018 when Consumer Reports stated that the Tesla Model 3 doesn’t brake quick enough, over the weekend Tesla got to work and released an update (problem solved). The infotainment is smooth in my 2013, but even smoother in my 2019… My experience with Tesla has been so terrific in terms of ownership that my family also owns two model 3s both in white, and I currently have the Cybertruck on order. And within 2-3 years after receiving my Cybertruck I plan on purchasing the $200k Roadster. As far as autopilot, I trust it enough to use it whenever I can, it’s truly a de-stressor when you drive with autopilot, it really makes the trip easier on the mind and body. The greatest advantage is no range anxiety as charging is everywhere (installing this is harder said than done, just look at how many Porsche or VW has installed, barely any….). In short, Tesla ownership is like the iPhone ownership, I’m a fan of both for life. Tesla didn’t just sell over 930,000 vehicles in 2021 because they’re mediocre, they’re now Britain’s top selling car (gas or EV, they’re #1), and that speaks volumes. Let the numbers speak for themselves, whether it be in Europe or China, Teslas are flying off the shelf and the wait time is LONG. As a fan of EVs, let me give enthusiasts a warning.
The top issue concerning any new EV company isn’t just software, it’s the batteries! This is by far the most expensive component of the car. After 8 years of the Model S, my batteries have only lost 7% charge, which is mind blowing! And they’re doing this with the old 18650 batteries, today the 2100 is even better! Just wait until the 4800 batteries come out and you’ll really see several step up in performance. The reason Tesla’s batteries have world class reliability is in the way they packs it, the way they designs it’s thermal management and charging system. Tesla makes it look easy, but in fact this it’s by far the trickiest part of designing an EV. Just look at the Bolt and how many cars they’ve sold (tons), but their batteries were recently deemed unsafe and will face massive recalls due to it catching on fire and now GM has halted production. How about Porsche? Similar story, recently a Porsche engineer who is a whistleblower spoke out and stated that Porsche is also suffering from battery and fire issues (you can Google it).
How about other companies? Consumer Reports picked up a Fisker Karma (great looking car), but mired by software issues and ended up dying on the road during CR test drive, game over (Fisker went bankrupt shortly after). Long story short, I wish Lucid luck, and I hope they do well, but I would not pick one up unless Lucid can prove itself for the next 2-3 years as a reliable car maker. Making a few dozen cars is easy, becoming profitable is the hardest part, and this is where every EV maker aside from Tesla will struggle. Battery longevity and durability issues won’t reveal itself until 2-3 years down the road, will Lucid overcome this hurdle, or will they have to recall every car, halt production and end up like Fisker? Look no further than Delorean, great looking car, mired with issues, they produced 9,000 cars and still went bankrupt. In the past 100 years dozens of car companies have gone bankrupt, it’s absolutely a nightmare of a business dealing with the hardware, add in the complexity of software and it becomes that much harder. This is why I’m a fan of Tesla, what they’re doing isn’t by luck, Musk is a rocket scientist and has the best team of engineers at his disposal, which is why theyre able to create the Octavalve (SpaceX and Tesla collaboration). And guess where the #1 and #2 top picks for engineering students across Universities and Ivy League wants to work at (SpaceX and tesla respectively)?So while I wish Lucid luck, I would not bash Tesla, especially when the best of the best ends up working there, while everyone else gets leftovers. Again, I wish Lucid success as this business is HARD, and I want to see American car companies thrive. But this is no cakewalk guys, if you’re “hoping” issues will resolve itself a few months down the road, you may be in for a unpleasant surprise. Wait it out and see where the tech goes, it’s an expensive purchase, and I would not roll the dice base on hope. VW had months if not years to get their software together in the ID3, that car too, is mired with issues.
Best.