Lucid vs Tesla self drive software

[DBV]

Wow, I had a MS and have a totally different opinion. With today’s Teslas you have to take your eyes off the road for virtually everything. That’s far from ergonomic, in fact that’s very ‘unergonomic’. I almost expect the next gen Tesla to have a steering wheel on the screen.

Hmm - totally disagree. With my refresh Model S with yoke steering wheel, I barely take my eyes ever off the road in front of me. You can see the drivers infortainment console so easily, it is almost like having HUD (have and love HUD on our BMW X5). I can change the temp by scrolling on the left wheel, audio controls, etc.. Same with FSD, turn it off or on without looking away. Anything else that you might look away from the road to use would be no different than any other car. So, IMHO, very ergonomic.

 

[Pragmatic]

 

[borski]

Hmm - totally disagree. With my refresh Model S with yoke steering wheel, I barely take my eyes ever off the road in front of me. You can see the drivers infortainment console so easily, it is almost like having HUD (have and love HUD on our BMW X5). I can change the temp by scrolling on the left wheel, audio controls, etc.. Same with FSD, turn it off or on without looking away. Anything else that you might look away from the road to use would be no different than any other car. So, IMHO, very ergonomic.

Try turning on or adjusting the wipers without using the screen, for example.

My main issue with the S is the UX. Some others will disagree, but where I find the Air to be overwhelmingly ergonomic (though not perfect), and I can turn off the pilot panel or hide it without ever needing to use it for a drive, until I need to park… it is very much a driver’s cabin.

The UX of the Lucid software makes way more sense to me than Tesla’s too - a list of words with no context as to why they are in the list is not, to me, good UX. It is unintuitive, and while I can simply search for everything, I should have to.

And yes, this is opinion, and that’s okay too. I’m glad you enjoy your Model S. Someone has to

 

[borski]

One of these days I will book a ride in one just to see what it is like. They seem very safe; if they encounter something they are not capable of handling, they appear to simply freeze which, while not grea t, is better than an accident.

I’ve ridden in one a few times in SF and honestly it was the most relaxing ride share experience I’ve ever had in my life.

I was extremely impressed. My wife loved it especially, because she’s an introvert, and there was *no driver* to have to figure out how to make small talk with.

 

[ahmadr]

There’s a day and night difference between their ADAS capabilities / software, unfortunately. I’d say on highways, Lucid today is at best similar to very early 2018 Tesla AP2 / AP2.5. Yet, the Lucid is better than most non-Tesla cars. Outside highways, Lucid only has adaptive cruise, so worse than a Corolla.

However, for anything non-ADAS/software, there’s also a day and night difference between the Lucid and (any) Tesla. The Lucid is out-of-this-world good. The Model 3, and even S, I’d dare say, are closer to a Corolla than a Lucid.

 

[RM-S8]

barely

One word. Barely.
For me, not good enough.

 

[Leftlane]

Try turning on or adjusting the wipers without using the screen, for example.

My main issue with the S is the UX. Some others will disagree, but where I find the Air to be overwhelmingly ergonomic (though not perfect), and I can turn off the pilot panel or hide it without ever needing to use it for a drive, until I need to park… it is very much a driver’s cabin.

The UX of the Lucid software makes way more sense to me than Tesla’s too - a list of words with no context as to why they are in the list is not, to me, good UX. It is unintuitive, and while I can simply search for everything, I should have to.

And yes, this is opinion, and that’s okay too. I’m glad you enjoy your Model S. Someone has to

Huh? Push the little wiper button with your right thumb. Requires nothing more - if you want it to go faster scroll with the left scroll wheel - no screen required. And for Lucken - the model S has a screen right in front of the driver so you don’t need to look to the right for anything while driving.

It’s okay to like Lucid and still give Tesla credit for a better software suite. I guess if you want to change every setting in the car while you are going 80 on the highway, then yeah, screens and menus are worse overall (for all cars). But once you are moving, you shouldn’t need to do any of that at all.

 

[borski]

Huh? Push the little wiper button with your right thumb. Requires nothing more - if you want it to go faster scroll with the left scroll wheel - no screen required.

Just watched a video, and they seem to have finally changed it, and taken advantage of showing the speeds on the screen in front of you. In the 3, and the former S, it would appear on the center screen and you’d have to know to look there, which nobody (including me) ever did. It was very discoverable. Glad they fixed it.

Anyway, it was one example of many.

And for Lucken - the model S has a screen right in front of the driver so you don’t need to look to the right for anything while driving.

This is the reason the 3 was always a non-starter for me. At least the S has a speedo in front of me.

It’s okay to like Lucid and still give Tesla credit for a better software suite.

Sure, I totally agree. I simply do not prefer Tesla’s software. I never have, even before Lucid. It’s why I never bought one. I’ve driven plenty; I simply don’t like their UX.

That also has to be okay. It’s okay to like Tesla’s software suite and accept that I (and others) don’t.

I guess if you want to change every setting in the car while you are going 80 on the highway, then yeah, screens and menus are worse overall (for all cars). But once you are moving, you shouldn’t need to do any of that at all.

The problem is for things you need to do while moving that you have muscle memory for. The wipers were one example (which they’ve fixed, seemingly, which is great) but that wasn’t the first or last time I was burnt on the highway trying to find how to do some specific thing. The number of times we’ve rented an S or 3 and I’ve had to yell to my wife to look up how to do a thing is very very high.

And it’s not exclusively a Tesla problem; lots of manufacturers have this issue of features being non-discoverable, and so on. Hyundai does, for example. I hate their UX. My wife doesn’t mind it.

But I love Audi’s UX, and others hate it. To each their own.

 

[Justmurr]

As someone who uses FSD regularly, I fear missing it. It has improved noticeably with the neural network using vision/AI and all. I find it extremely helpful and it has become trustworthy even for navigation, which is cool.
I am crazy right? I am not going to miss anything about Tesla once I settle into a Lucid, right?
It’s not lost on me that I’m posting this here in a Lucid forum, but that’s because I’m just so intrigued by moving to a Lucid.

 

[DeaneG]

....I am not going to miss anything about Tesla once I settle into a Lucid, right?...

You will definitely miss a few things from your Tesla. But overall, for me at least, the Air is a much better package.

 

[HC_79]

As someone who uses FSD regularly, I fear missing it. It has improved noticeably with the neural network using vision/AI and all. I find it extremely helpful and it has become trustworthy even for navigation, which is cool.
I am crazy right? I am not going to miss anything about Tesla once I settle into a Lucid, right?
It’s not lost on me that I’m posting this here in a Lucid forum, but that’s because I’m just so intrigued by moving to a Lucid.

If FSD is your number one thing you can’t live without then don’t get the Lucid, you’ll be extremely disappointed.

Also, Lucid’s words of “coming soon” can mean anything from 6,12,24 months at best so don’t bank on buying the car thinking DreamDrive Pro is going to improve quickly either.

 

[Justmurr]

If FSD is your number one thing you can’t live without then don’t get the Lucid, you’ll be extremely disappointed.

Yeah, I guess I view this one as a comprise.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

As someone who uses FSD regularly, I fear missing it. It has improved noticeably with the neural network using vision/AI and all. I find it extremely helpful and it has become trustworthy even for navigation, which is cool.
I am crazy right? I am not going to miss anything about Tesla once I settle into a Lucid, right?
It’s not lost on me that I’m posting this here in a Lucid forum, but that’s because I’m just so intrigued by moving to a Lucid.

Totally agree with @HC_79. If FSD is really important to you, pass on a Lucid for now. That said, I had FSD in my 2018 M3P and by reading this Forum I knew what to expect with Lucid and opted to get a 2025 Air Grand Touring. It is, IMHO better than the Tesla in every way…except FSD. For me, build quality, a degree of luxury and driving dynamics / ride quality were all more important than FSD. Contrary to some, I prefer Lucid’s software and UX to that of Tesla…

 

[HC_79]

Yeah, I guess I view this one as a comprise.

A big one.

Don’t get me wrong, as others have mentioned, Lucid does bring several positive aspects to the table. However, FSD is not one of them. It’s Tesla’s flagship feature, and while it still has its flaws, it’s significantly superior to most other automakers’ Level 2 ADAS systems available today.

I was skeptical about the claims made after using FSD a few years ago, having been impressed but not exactly blown away by it. However, after my recent trip (over 20 miles of suburban and freeway driving without any intervention), I was thoroughly impressed by the significant advancements made in FSD. While I don’t believe it will ever truly be “FSD,” it’s an incredibly impressive Level 2 ADAS system. Although I was a bit disappointed when I returned to the Lucid and used HA afterward, the driving dynamics, comfort, and quietness compared to Tesla made me smile again.

Nevertheless, it would be a challenging adjustment if I used Teslas FSD daily and then transitioned to the Lucid.

 

[joec]

As someone who uses FSD regularly, I fear missing it. It has improved noticeably with the neural network using vision/AI and all. I find it extremely helpful and it has become trustworthy even for navigation, which is cool.
I am crazy right? I am not going to miss anything about Tesla once I settle into a Lucid, right?
It’s not lost on me that I’m posting this here in a Lucid forum, but that’s because I’m just so intrigued by moving to a Lucid.

It really depends. If FSD is super important to you, Lucid is probably not the best brand for you. It's a driver's car. The joy comes from operating it yourself and wanting to be the best possible driver in a machine that let's you drive it like a trained professional.

The HA features are more for convenience than replacing yourself as the driver. Nice to have on a long trip. But chauffeuring you around town is not something Lucid ever aspires to do.

 

[Batteryman]

Hmm - totally disagree. With my refresh Model S with yoke steering wheel, I barely take my eyes ever off the road in front of me. You can see the drivers infortainment console so easily, it is almost like having HUD (have and love HUD on our BMW X5). I can change the temp by scrolling on the left wheel, audio controls, etc.. Same with FSD, turn it off or on without looking away. Anything else that you might look away from the road to use would be no different than any other car. So, IMHO, very ergonomic.

Yoke steering wheel ergonomic? Spoken like a fanboy! I had a Model S with a regular steering wheel, and I found lack of switches in that horrible. Having everything on a screen is good to save costs, but not safe or ergonomic.

Mmmm, lets see you take evasive action with that yoke.

 

[Batteryman]

To all those complaining about Lucid ADAS being inferior to Tesla....safer to drive your own car.....Robotaxi is at least a decade away. Why would you put your life in this thing? It may work 99/100 times, maybe even less, but that one time it will kill you.

Tech Founder's Tesla Full Self-Drove Onto Train Tracks: 'I Could Get Killed Because Of This'

"I've got nowhere to go... (T)he train's right here!"

jalopnik.com

 

[HC_79]

To all those complaining about Lucid ADAS being inferior to Tesla....safer to drive your own car.....Robotaxi is at least a decade away. Why would you put your life in this thing? It may work 99/100 times, maybe even less, but that one time it will kill you.

Tech Founder's Tesla Full Self-Drove Onto Train Tracks: 'I Could Get Killed Because Of This'

"I've got nowhere to go... (T)he train's right here!"

jalopnik.com

The OP wasn’t asking about Robotaxi, they were asking about Tesla FSD as it is today compared to Lucid ADAS as it is today.

We get it, you don’t like FSD or HA because you’re the prefect driver and these systems will kill you. I don’t know how many times and in how many threads you need to repeat the same thing over and over again. Your point has been made.

 

[TakeDuo]

But chauffeuring you around town is not something Lucid ever aspires to do.

They most certainly were at one point.

“Additional DreamDrive capabilities to enable Level 3 driving in certain conditions are also in development.”

Source:

Lucid Motors Announces Lucid DreamDrive, an Advanced Driver-Assistance System that Debuts in the Lucid Air

Lucid Air to be the first electric vehicle offered with the combination of an advanced sensor suite, high-resolution LIDAR, a driver monitoring system, and a fully redundant platform

lucidmotors.com

 

[DeaneG]

They most certainly were at one point.
“Additional DreamDrive capabilities to enable Level 3 driving in certain conditions are also in development.”...

Level 3 driving on mapped freeways only, is compatible with Lucid's statement.