Lucid Navigation Opinions

[BS8899]

I’m not sure where you went wrong, but you can absolutely do it with a few clicks for HERE. I picked a random building, but here are some screenshots:

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While I appreciate @borski's insightful tutorial of how one can correct Lucid/HERE map's routing errors, in my prior example of driving from Sausalito to Concord (CA), I wasn't looking for a small, out of the way place. I was looking to COSTCO in Concord! I have never driven to Concord before. I started getting specious when en route, as routed by Luci's navigation, I saw directions to Oakland. Even a country bumkin like me recognize it was going to wrong way! If Lucid's navigation could not route me to Concord Costco, I am done with it!

 

[borski]

While I appreciate @borski's insightful tutorial of how one can correct Lucid/HERE map's routing errors, in my prior example of driving from Sausalito to Concord (CA), I wasn't looking for a small, out of the way place. I was looking to COSTCO in Concord! I have never driven to Concord before. I started getting specious when en route, as routed by Luci's navigation, I saw directions to Oakland. Even a country bumkin like me recognize it was going to wrong way! If Lucid's navigation could not route me to Concord Costco, I am done with it!

There are two routes to the Concord Costco from Sausalito. You could take I-580 to the CA-24, which takes you through Oakland, or the I-80, which takes you the north route. Both work, and are only a two minute time difference.

Lucid routes me to the Costco in Concord perfectly fine.

 

[HC_79]

There are two routes to the Concord Costco from Sausalito. You could take I-580 to the CA-24, which takes you through Oakland, or the I-80, which takes you the north route. Both work, and are only a two minute time difference.

Lucid routes me to the Costco in Concord perfectly fine.

No point arguing, Lucid navigation is crap! Long live Google.

Maybe I’m just boring with where I drive but I’ve NEVER had the Lucid navigate me to the wrong location and it’s been extremely up to date on road / ramp closures as well as traffic. I use it quite often because in LA, the traffic can change so quickly that a 30 min trip can turn into a 2 hour one if not monitoring the traffic and the Lucid navigation has re-routed me multiple times.

 

[BS8899]

There are two routes to the Concord Costco from Sausalito. You could take I-580 to the CA-24, which takes you through Oakland, or the I-80, which takes you the north route. Both work, and are only a two minute time difference.

Lucid routes me to the Costco in Concord perfectly fine.

Yes, I agree there are more than one road that lead to Rome. If you are coming from South Bay, you might be going through Oakland. But, I was already beyond San Pablo, way north of Oakland. Wouldn't you be alarmed that Lucid's navigation is then routing you to go through Oakland to go to Concord?

 

[Leftlane]

And when any Tesla owner comes up to me to ask about the car the first question is “Does it have FSD” not “is the navigation Google Maps” so I’d question the importance over Google Maps compared to ADAS / Autonomous features.

That’s because the Google map navigation in Teslas work flawlessly, so they probably assume that Lucid navigation would work well also - since navigation has been around for 20+ years.

 

[DeaneG]

That’s because the Google map navigation in Teslas work flawlessly, so they probably assume that Lucid navigation would work well also - since navigation has been around for 20+ years.

That was my assumption when I bought my GT in 2022 after four years driving a Model 3. I didn't test the Air's navigation because I didn't think it could be a problem. Also, Android Auto was coming soon .

 

[borski]

Yes, I agree there are more than one road that lead to Rome. If you are coming from South Bay, you might be going through Oakland. But, I was already beyond San Pablo, way north of Oakland. Wouldn't you be alarmed that Lucid's navigation is then routing you to go through Oakland to go to Concord?

No. I routed from Sausalito to Concord and both routes came up on Google too, before I made my statement. Literally *both* routes that Google offers from Sausalito at the moment take you just north of Oakland.

Earlier, Google also offered me the I-80 route.

It doesn’t now, I presume due to some internal traffic routing analysis.

Lucid navigation routed you correctly, it sounds like. You freaked out because of a distrust of it, but by the sounds of it (and by the routes Lucid offers right now), it had you on the right route.

 

[kopik]

I have never had an inaccurate routing with the Air's native navigation system. However I am surprised that it doesn't allow you to save favorites (except for home and work). My 2002 Acura TL had this feature. That's one of the reasons I use maps on Apple Carplay.

 

[A Fischman]

You should consider trying it again. It has improved significantly.

Clearly a number of people don’t like it, but I use it daily.

In 2022, I agree with you that it was basically unusable. That’s not the case now.

When will we have options like avoid toll roads?

 

[DrK]

From the clunky user interface, which you should probably not use while driving, to the constantly malfunctioning voice command, to the completely wrong directions, the Lucid navigation is an unusable nightmare. First, I would say that about 20 years ago, it was realized that basic preference settings like avoiding tolls were a baseline for good navigation. Conversely, Lucid will seemingly have you go out of your way to drive as many tolls as possible. Can we get a refund for accidental toll use? LOL The way you choose a path requires you to stop the car, squint, and decipher the path options. Usually, none of them are optimal. The perfectly designed dash is wonderful in theory, but it makes it impossible to find a good spot to put your smartphone as an alternative. Your physical engineering is a marvel, but the software and interface are an embarrassment. Could we do better? Are there any plans to do better? Or are we in denial? I want Lucid to succeed.

1- even with 10 years of Tesla and Mercedes Nav on long trips through unfamiliar areas we planned in advance with multiple apps and devices. Each has errors ( tesla had me going home to my address but my neighbors house. Lucid to the backside of a doctor’s office.)
2- most dashes are not planned with mounting a phone in mind. Here are two ‘compromise’ Lucid Air locations.

 

[BS8899]

No. I routed from Sausalito to Concord and both routes came up on Google too, before I made my statement. Literally *both* routes that Google offers from Sausalito at the moment take you just north of Oakland.
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Earlier, Google also offered me the I-80 route.

It doesn’t now, I presume due to some internal traffic routing analysis.

Lucid navigation routed you correctly, it sounds like. You freaked out because of a distrust of it, but by the sounds of it (and by the routes Lucid offers right now), it had you on the right route.

In most cases, there is more than one route to get from point A to Point B.

The question herein is not whether one would EVENTUALLY get there, the utility of a navigation system is help route you plan your route in an optimal way.

I don't want to repeat what I said earlier. You can go back and read it.

Lucid's navigation initially route me on to the I-80 (northern route). I was already at San Pablo, northbound, more than 1/2 way to Concord. The navigation system suddenly asked me to turn around and head to Oakland. If I followed that navigation, I will be back-tracking and it would make my trip about 8-10 miles longer (about 20-25% longer). Perhaps I still would get to Concord but it is highly non-optimal , longer route, and I would have arrived 15-20min later.

If I were coming from South Bay or East Bay, the Oakland/Emeryville route to Concord might have been fine.

Lucid's navigation does not always give you the optimal route or reasons of one route over another (e.g., traffic, toll etc.). Here, it attempts to redirect me to back track from San Pablo to re-route to Concord via Emeryville for no obvious reasons. Is this an acceptable navigation system?

I find it hard to believe you are arguing this point "in good faith". Yes, I could turn around, add 8-10 miles to my 40 mile trip, go through the Emeryville/Oakland traffic on a Friday afternoon, and eventually get to Concord.

If that's what you are arguing, God bless your soul, and may you continue to enjoy your Lucid navigation. I have no intention to rely on it!

Why do you think so many Lucid owners are relying on CarPlay and yearning for AA? Lucid's native navigation (and voice command) are simply unreliable. Fixing these problems AND SUSTAING a good in-car navigation system will likely take a lot of on-going resources. That's not where Lucid is going to excel. Lucid should just adopt Google Maps/CarPlay/AA and be done with it!

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

wife 2.0 app

 

[DeaneG]

wife 2.0 app..

That's the "TURN BACK THERE!" nav option we use when Lucid's nav lets us down.

 

[pyle112]

if Lucid went with Google Maps would you all be happy about DreamDrive being severely limited when it comes to lane precision and future autonomous features? It’s shortsighted to think Lucid didn’t choose HERE for a reason and it probably all comes down to what they want to do with DreamDrive.

Google only launched HD Mapping in 2023 well after the Air’s software choices were chosen and possibly the Gravity. In fact, the Volvo EX90 and Polestar 3 appear to be the first vehicles to actually use Googles HD Mapping. You’re all focused on consumer facing systems when a car needs much more to operate behind the scenes especially when it comes to ADAS / Autonomous driving. Without HERE, auto-lane change may not have even existed on DreamDrive Pro so it’s kind of a case of choose your poison.

Google launches HD maps for vehicles, Volvo and Polestar first to integrate | TechCrunch

Google launches HD maps for vehicles, Volvo and Polestar first to integrate.

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Doesn't Tesla use Google maps in their FSD enabled vehicles?

 

[pyle112]

Doesn't Tesla use Google maps in their FSD enabled vehicles?

Just reading up on this- it's osm for Tesla and Google maps images. OSM seems to be crowdsourced and I see complaints about accuracy and delays in updates. Can't imagine that FSD would rely on this provider of maps to enable hands free driving.

 

[scal_air]

wife 2.0 app
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Man if you think Lucid navigation is verbose, try the Wife app

 

[borski]

Lucid's navigation initially route me on to the I-80 (northern route). I was already at San Pablo, northbound, more than 1/2 way to Concord. The navigation system suddenly asked me to turn around and head to Oakland. If I followed that navigation, I will be back-tracking and it would make my trip about 8-10 miles longer (about 20-25% longer). Perhaps I still would get to Concord but it is highly non-optimal , longer route, and I would have arrived 15-20min later.

Okay, you said you were headed from Sausalito to Concord, and Lucid wanted to send you near Oakland. That is not a longer route, time-wise.

But this is now a pointless argument without a GPS location of where you were, lol.

If I were coming from South Bay or East Bay, the Oakland/Emeryville route to Concord might have been fine.

Not the discussion.

Lucid's navigation does not always give you the optimal route or reasons of one route over another (e.g., traffic, toll etc.). Here, it attempts to redirect me to back track from San Pablo to re-route to Concord via Emeryville for no obvious reasons. Is this an acceptable navigation system?

No reasons obvious *to you*, and if you didn’t trust it you could have selected a different route.

I find it hard to believe you are arguing this point "in good faith". Yes, I could turn around, add 8-10 miles to my 40 mile trip, go through the Emeryville/Oakland traffic on a Friday afternoon, and eventually get to Concord.

Please don’t question my integrity. At this point, I hope I’ve made it very clear that I care about my integrity. I literally have a tattoo that represents integrity, lol.

Why do you think so many Lucid owners are relying on CarPlay and yearning for AA?

Because they like what they’re used to. That’s the answer.

Lucid's native navigation (and voice command) are simply unreliable. Fixing these problems AND SUSTAING a good in-car navigation system will likely take a lot of on-going resources. That's not where Lucid is going to excel. Lucid should just adopt Google Maps/CarPlay/AA and be done with it!

They will add AA, and CarPlay is already there.

If you can present the route Lucid gave you, okay - but as of now, it’s routing correctly.

It doesn’t always, but when heading to places that have addresses, it does, for me.

I’m not blind, and not pulling the wool over anyone’s eyes. I am relaying my experience.

 

[HC_79]

That’s because the Google map navigation in Teslas work flawlessly, so they probably assume that Lucid navigation would work well also - since navigation has been around for 20+ years.

Tesla’s navigation system is powered by MapBox. Google is providing the visualization only.

 

[HC_79]

Doesn't Tesla use Google maps in their FSD enabled vehicles?

No, they use MapBox

 

[borski]

Tesla’s navigation system is powered by MapBox. Google is providing the visualization only.

Similar to how Lucid, in the iOS app, uses Apple Maps for the visualization.