Lucid Comfort

[idiot900]

Friends, can we move the discussion of science/medicine/politics to the Off Topic forum? I too have a (professional) opinion on these things but I will withhold it as we're here to talk about Lucid cars.

(Pinging @mnewber1...)

 

[SDHacker]

So I just got back from seeing the Kia EV6

Given your dislike of suv's, you'll be glad to know that KIA categorizes the EV6 as a sedan internally. Externally, Hyundai/Kia is supposed to use odd numbers for suvs and even numbers for sedans - so EV1/3/5/7/9 are suvs while 2/4/6/8 are sedans. It's interesting that Hyundai chose to call the twin Ioniq5.

Neighbor has 1 in dark grey - looks good in that color. Length of a compact car but as wide as a midsize.

 

[Lucken]

Nope, science doesn't change. As I said before I can statistically prove popsicles cause drowning.

An example of the science changing 'conveniently': Fauci says 'masks don't work, so don't bother'. As it turned out later, he said that because he wanted enough masks for first responders. However it was reported everywhere as fact. Later Fauci said, 'masks work, you should be wearing them'. Obviously pure science doesn't change unless new discoveries are made, however as I said before, science can change out of 'convenience' as Fauci proved.

Hey look, I've got 2 degrees in a science related field, so I am a strong advocate of science. But trust me, I have seen science twisted, distorted and made politically expedient and I despise it. One of the reasons I was always attracted to science was because it was a rare field of honesty and purity. Anyone honest today and observing what goes on today, realizes how science has been made political.

I saw idiot900's post after I posted mine, so I agree and will abide by his suggestion.

 

[Lucken]

Given your dislike of suv's, you'll be glad to know that KIA categorizes the EV6 as a sedan internally. Externally, Hyundai/Kia is supposed to use odd numbers for suvs and even numbers for sedans - so EV1/3/5/7/9 are suvs while 2/4/6/8 are sedans. It's interesting that Hyundai chose to call the twin Ioniq5.

Neighbor has 1 in dark grey - looks good in that color. Length of a compact car but as wide as a midsize.

Interesting, I didn't realize that. It seems that the media tends to call it a crossover, the definition of which I've never been certain. But it did feel like a car inside rather than an SUV. Certainly my e-Tron feels much bulkier, higher and more SUVish. It's a personal call, but I thought the Kia version was much nicer looking inside (aside from the seats) & out. The Hyundai version looks almost toyish inside and reminds me a bit of the VW ID4.

 

[mnewber1]

Let’s move this discussion to off topic, please. Otherwise I will have to lock this thread.

 

[hmp10]

My point is: lots of places are great to live.

I've lived in 10 states (plus graduate school in Germany). I didn't find a single one a bad place to live, although each had its better and worse sides. But, as with children, we do all have our favorites. Mine were Vermont and California (Los Angeles area).

Edit:

Oops, sorry. I was on page 4 of this thread when I posted this and didn't realize there were three more pages (which I haven't yet read).

If this admin wants to remove it, I'm fine with that.

 

[digiboxer]

Same for me as well for a number of years. Never really occurred to me to care or ask. Then I had more kids and they tend to grow faster than you think. Now they all complain about either sitting in the back of the Maserati or worse having more than 2 people in the back is some kind of atrocity. The GT was my way of keeping a sporty car and reducing the chances of mutiny.

I'm 6'3" and whenever I shop for a car I adjust the driver's seat to my comfort level and then get in the left rear seat to gauge what it would be like to sit behind me. I came close to buying an E Tron GT but passed because very few adults would be comfortable sitting behind me.

I visited the Lucid showroom in suburban Chicago for the first time last week (tho I've been following the brand since 2016 because a company I ran was a potential supplier). I went though my seating ritual in the DE; there was plenty of front-to-back space in the rear but the floor seemed high, and there is no ability to tuck your toes under the driver's seat. The sales guy explained the battery placement in the various models, and how the Touring model would afford more foot room. I ordered one, and hope to see one in person before a write the check.

 

[DeaneG]

Interesting, I didn't realize that. It seems that the media tends to call it a crossover, the definition of which I've never been certain. But it did feel like a car inside rather than an SUV. Certainly my e-Tron feels much bulkier, higher and more SUVish. It's a personal call, but I thought the Kia version was much nicer looking inside (aside from the seats) & out. The Hyundai version looks almost toyish inside and reminds me a bit of the VW ID4.

I had also been looking at the Ioniq 5/GV60 as a replacement for my Model 3 stealth performance. Primarily looking for better ride quality/NHV and the usual driving aids that are missing in Teslas (360-degree cameras, blind-spot warning in mirrors, auto rear cross-traffic/pedestrian braking). We have these in our XC40 EV, which is fantastic, but only 160-180 mile range at a steady 75mph. Recent long trips and more remote wished-for trips to the desert and mountains made me think that maybe a car with the Lucid's range would be worth considering. The Ioniq 5 and GV60 come up quite short (227 miles on freeway) in this respect, with 2/3 the freeway range of the AGT at less than half the cost. Or I could just do something a little boring but much more practical, and get a plug-in hybrid SUV like the Volvo XC60 T8. This would allow the trip to be about the journey rather than about the car, as it frequently is with EVs. But I wouldn't be as happy to see it in the garage.

 

[HC_79]

I saw the EV6 on the road yesterday. I actually prefer it over the Ioniq 5. Between the Ioniq 5 though and the EV6 I was surprised how far Hyundai group has come. Was impressed by the looks both inside and out but for me the EV6 would be my preferred vehicle of choice between the 2.

 

[copper]

I saw the EV6 on the road yesterday. I actually prefer it over the Ioniq 5. Between the Ioniq 5 though and the EV6 I was surprised how far Hyundai group has come. Was impressed by the looks both inside and out but for me the EV6 would be my preferred vehicle of choice between the 2.

Having been in both, the EV6 has one minor-possible-dealbreaker: the front seat headrests. They are quite forward and (apparently) not adjustable. Depending on your posture and neck, you may find them unacceptable like I did.

Outside that, I preferred the Ioniq 5 but overall they’re both quite good. They do lack a few things you would miss, like rear wipers, but overall are excellent cars.

 

[Lucken]

We got to test drive the EV6 a few days ago and came away surprisingly impressed. My wife and I must have said a half dozen times, ‘This is a Kia?’. Throw out your preconceived notions folks, this is quite an impressive vehicle, especially at this price. My GT-line tester had an MSRP of just under $58,000.

Panel gaps, like the first copy we saw, were narrow and consistent. Interior quality was very good, if not quite the best materials and the paint looked quite good. The overall interior look was very pleasing and quite modern without being overdone. Tasteful comes to mind. I found the seats extremely comfortable, probably somewhat softer and more comfortable than the BMW 4 series GC I use as a reference for the upcoming i4. Rear seat room is very impressive and the rear seat heaters were unexpected to me.

The biggest surprise was the test drive. The car was very fast, not Lucid fast (I still haven’t had a test drive…what else is new?), but hell, most people don’t need 0-60 speeds of greater than 4.5 seconds. I don’t. The car cornered very flat, certainly flatter than my Audi e-Tron and its overall handling was certainly better than the e-Tron. The ride itself was very nice, a bit on the firm side but never jarring, remaining very comfortable while at the same time handling the broken NY roads with aplomb. I would say most people would describe the e-Tron’s ride as more luxurious and the EV6 as more sporty.

Noise levels at 70 seemed very good, but not the library silence I’m accustomed to in the e-Tron. I should also add that the EV6 felt & handled much more car-like than like an SUV or crossover. The biggest negative I felt was a slight wheel shimmy at speeds over 60.

Its charging speeds are among the highest of any EV, and the included reverse power accessory is a very nice plus. The range is just OK and will probably be a turnoff to some at 274 for the AWD and 310 for the RWD.

Not one to care about status, I could see owning this vehicle. With the Pure not likely arriving in owner’s hands before 2023, my reservation for the BMW i4 made last September with still no word from BMW or a production number, who knows? We shall see.

As we walked away from our EV6 tester, a very lovely blue, my wife turned and said, “Wow, that’s a Kia?” We both laughed. Things, they are a changing.

 

[EVCar]

We’re ready to write the check for the Huyndai version last month, until the Manager told us he was firm on the 3k market adjustment and turned down our offer of 1k. The guy also lowballed the trade in by 5k (true, not a typo), compared to CarMax.

 

[Lucken]

We’re ready to write the check for the Huyndai version last month, until the Manager told us he was firm on the 3k market adjustment and turned down our offer of 1k. The guy also lowballed the trade in by 5k (true, not a typo), compared to CarMax.

Yup, there’s a lot of that going on. In fact the $3,000 isn’t as bad as the many dealers tacking on $5,000-10,000 ‘market adjustments’. Just like Ford & GM, Hyundai & Kia sent out warnings to their dealers that after having built up their brand with hard work, they will not tolerate dealers squandering that hard work with customer complaints about mark ups.

Thus far, it doesn’t appear to have done much good. Dealers have the usual response, ‘what are we supposed to do when we have so little product to sell?’.

 

[Drendino]

Ok that makes sense. My wife will most likely never drive this car. I couldn't get her to drive the Panamera and she's already told me she is too afraid of putting a scratch on it to even think about driving it. Oh well, too bad for her!!

I have a Panamera GTS and part of me is concerned that I will regret selling it for the GT. I know it’s a different beast, but which do you prefer?

 

[Paladin732]

I have a Panamera GTS and part of me is concerned that I will regret selling it for the GT. I know it’s a different beast, but which do you prefer?

The comfort of the DE (which should be same as GT) is higher than a Taycan (which should be similar to panamera). It’s a smoother ride

 

[Crdgk]

Friend’s wife has a Panamera and a different friend has Taycan S. I have new AGT. Better ride, better seats in mine. About same on twisty roads, maybe Taycan better a little. But not much. I’ll take the comfort inside, and better UI of Lucid. Am 6,3 so hard to get in/out of the others. But am biased of course.

 

[Drendino]

Friend’s wife has a Panamera and a different friend has Taycan S. I have new AGT. Better ride, better seats in mine. About same on twisty roads, maybe Taycan better a little. But not much. I’ll take the comfort inside, and better UI of Lucid. Am 6,3 so hard to get in/out of the others. But am biased of course.

That is helpful, thank you. I rarely open my Panamera up, so a better and more comfortable ride ultimately is more valuable. Hard to imagine any 4 door sedan being better on twisty roads than a Taycan, so glad to hear that the AGT is atleast close.

 

[Crdgk]

I did not ‘race’ (or my friends) in either car to be clear. . Just a little pushing the envelope. Maybe Taycan would be much better in tight twisty turns at high speed but not what I drive. I do live in the mountains so lots of turns but not a race track. For a 6,000lb car, it is impressive. Taycan is also fast, prob equal with Smooth mode which is what I drive in, though YouTube sites claim Sprint AGT is faster but have not even tried Sprint. But Panamera not even close. YMMV. In first 24 hours, some 10 people/cars have stopped to ask about Lucid . that part is fun.

 

[Drendino]

I did not ‘race’ (or my friends) in either car to be clear. . Just a little pushing the envelope. Maybe Taycan would be much better in tight twisty turns at high speed but not what I drive. I do live in the mountains so lots of turns but not a race track. For a 6,000lb car, it is impressive. Taycan is also fast, prob equal with Smooth mode which is what I drive in, though YouTube sites claim Sprint AGT is faster but have not even tried Sprint. But Panamera not even close. YMMV. In first 24 hours, some 10 people/cars have stopped to ask about Lucid . that part is fun.

Thanks for making me feel better about selling the Porsche. It’s been fun, but I’m ready to experience a 3 second 0-60 and bring comfortable doing it.

 

[digiboxer]

Friend’s wife has a Panamera and a different friend has Taycan S. I have new AGT. Better ride, better seats in mine. About same on twisty roads, maybe Taycan better a little. But not much. I’ll take the comfort inside, and better UI of Lucid. Am 6,3 so hard to get in/out of the others. But am biased of course.

I'm also 6'3" and currently driving a SUV. I saw a Lucid briefly in the Oakbrook IL showroom and found it quite hard to enter/exit. No problem once in the car but it took a pretty pronounced duck of the head and shoulders to get in and out.

It might be due in part to how the seat was adjusted before I got in---and maybe my being used to a higher platform.

Take it you've and nom such problem--or adjusted nicely?

Thx