Lucid Comfort

[pam4_AGT]

The exodus out of CA (and NY) is vastly overstated. It happens every 5-10 years and every time, someone proclaims it’s “the death of the valley” and yet that hasn’t happened.

This is just another local minimum in a series of many.

California ‘exodus’ never happened, new study says

Rise in cost of living and pandemic had been blamed for supposed relocation of tens of thousands

www.independent.co.uk

Hey, if people want to leave let them. My daily commute (~20 miles one way) in south bay that used to take ~ one hour is now ~25 mins. I will be the last one complaining about people leaving.

 

[hydbob]

Hey, if people want to leave let them. My daily commute (~20 miles one way) in south bay that used to take ~ one hour is now ~25 mins. I will be the last one complaining about people leaving.

yea, get outta my state if it's so bad!

 

[borski]

Hey, if people want to leave let them. My daily commute (~20 miles one way) in south bay that used to take ~ one hour is now ~25 mins. I will be the last one complaining about people leaving.

Haha this is my point! They leave, and then they come back, and it’s actually healthy for the state. I was one of them! Came here in 2008, left, came back in 2011, and have been here since.

Others have left, and while I miss some friends, I’ve made plenty of new ones, and the economy isn’t going anywhere but up (in the long term).

Musk can hang out in Austin all he wants (Austin is neat!) and no matter how much Keith Rabois pimps Miami as the new startup destination, Florida still enforces both non competes and non solicits, so I wish them luck. It’s only a matter of time before that gets *really bad* for some entrepreneurs. (And I like Miami! It’s cool! One of my favorite places to visit with the best Cuban food anywhere outside Havana)

My point is: lots of places are great to live. CA can be very expensive; the influx/outflux/influx cycle is consistent and repeats itself.

 

[pam4_AGT]

My point is: lots of places are great to live. CA can be very expensive; the influx/outflux/influx cycle is consistent and repeats itself.

Something does need to change on the housing front. I really feel for new college grads who move into the bay area. I would think twice if I was a recent grad.

 

[Bill55]

I spent 20 years in Dallas. It was a great place to have a business, but it is hot. San Diego is great. Also, very expensive. I'm headed east to set up more manufacturing. Not leaving as a hater. My son is graduating from SDSU and thinking of staying. Housing is going to be a big concern.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

yea, get outta my state if it's so bad!

I really wish I could move my family to Monterey.

 

[Lucken]

The exodus out of CA (and NY) is vastly overstated. It happens every 5-10 years and every time, someone proclaims it’s “the death of the valley” and yet that hasn’t happened.

This is just another local minimum in a series of many.

California ‘exodus’ never happened, new study says

Rise in cost of living and pandemic had been blamed for supposed relocation of tens of thousands

www.independent.co.uk

So the source is the ‘California Policy Lab’? Okeedokey.

 

[SDHacker]

This is so off-topic but what the heck - CA attracts more venture capital dollars than the rest of the states combined. FL and TX combined amount to 25% of what NY attracts.

The number of people I meet on the golf course that came from other states/countries is crazy - it's rare to meet a native Californian. CA attracts college educated higher income individuals because who else can afford to live here. More people my age are leaving looking for retirement in a lower cost area. People definitely move out due to lack of affordability and availability of housing. My daughter lives in Seattle and I asked her about moving back and she showed me an apt finder listing 1 bedroom around $1k and there were hardly any showing up here while Seattle had a map filled with dots representing apts fitting that requirement.

 

[borski]

Something does need to change on the housing front. I really feel for new college grads who move into the bay area. I would think twice if I was a recent grad.

I agree. Housing is CA’s biggest problem, for sure.

 

[borski]

So the source is the ‘California Policy Lab’? Okeedokey.

Plenty of other sources, but that’s Stanford-backed and a solid source haha

 

[Maverick]

I'll say this...if no one is leaving, then there seem to be a lot of people moving to PHX claiming they're from CA. And if you're familiar with AZ, you wouldn't claim to be from CA unless you were actually from CA .

 

[Coltonw011]

Being 29 and purchasing my first home in Sonoma county back in 2020 was an endeavor. Native Californian and I won’t be leaving. Love it here, even though it is absurdly expensive.

 

[borski]

I'll say this...if no one is leaving, then there seem to be a lot of people moving to PHX claiming they're from CA. And if you're familiar with AZ, you wouldn't claim to be from CA unless you were actually from CA .

Plenty leaving! And plenty coming in! And there may even be more of one or the other!

But the point is it goes in cycles/waves.

 

[Lucken]

I'll say this...if no one is leaving, then there seem to be a lot of people moving to PHX claiming they're from CA. And if you're familiar with AZ, you wouldn't claim to be from CA unless you were actually from CA .

Yup, and their migrating to Texas and Florida too. People are leaving my state, NY, and California, partly because of the deterioration in living conditions. Once beautiful areas are now crime ridden, needle strewn, tent city populated and just generally run down relative to what they were. People are tired of shoplifters that are given what is essentially a free pass up to $900, resulting in store closures in many areas due to the shrinkage. Their tired of DAs that won’t prosecute unless there’s a dead body or give out sentences that criminals literally laugh at. Sure there are still nice areas, but they’re shrinking in number with each passing year.

To deny all this is burying one’s head in the sand. Good friends of ours recently moved from NY to Florida. I would tell them of this deterioration and they refused to believe it…until their son & his wife (one a movie producer and the other a TV producer) verified it in their home state of California. When I asked these same friends, prior to their moving, why they didn’t travel into NYC to see the shows they used to see, they acknowledged that crime was a deterrent.

And I haven’t even talked about the confiscatory tax rates.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

Yup, and thei migrating to Texas and Florida too. People are leaving my state, NY, and California, partly because of the deterioration in living conditions. Once beautiful areas are now crime ridden, needle strewn, tent city populated and just generally run down relative to what they were. People are tired of shoplifters that are given what is essentially a free pass up to $900, resulting in store closures in many areas due to the shrinkage. Their tired of DAs that won’t prosecute unless there’s a dead body or give out sentences that criminals literally laugh at. Sure there are still nice areas, but they’re shrinking in number with each passing year.

To deny all this is burying one’s head in the sand. Good friends of ours recently moved from NY to Florida. I would tell them of this deterioration and they refused to believe it…until their son & his wife (one a movie producer and the other a TV producer) verified it in their home state of California. When I asked these same friends, prior to their moving, why they didn’t travel into NYC to see the shows they used to see, they acknowledged that crime was a deterrent.

And I haven’t even talked about the confiscatory tax rates.

So what's the solution?

 

[Lucken]

So what's the solution?

The solution would be for our elected officials to get off their asses and do something productive with taxpayer’s money. As an example, aside from what I brought up in my other post, the countless wasted dollars on ‘infrastructure’ spending when it appears almost nothing actually goes to infrastructure. Here in NY our roads continue to deteriorate at a truly alarming rate.

They might also actually prosecute crimes. I just watched a video taken yesterday in NYC where nearly 25% of subway riders they videoed simply hopped the turnstiles or went through gates without paying. The message that’s sent to commuters who actually pay is, ‘why should I pay?’ Crime that’s not prosecuted breeds more crime.

On and on we go, spiraling downhill.

 

[Dortreo]

This is seriously off-topic, but with massive changes afoot due to climate change, the solution is to migrate to the areas that will be least affected. Pro Publica published county-level findings on what climate change will do to many parts of the US in terms of heat, humidity, sea level changes, wildfires, crops, and economic impact of climate change. If you go to the bottom of the chart, you'll see that the best place in the US to end up is Lamoille County in Vermont. Conversely, the worst places are at the top of the chart and are generally in Florida, Louisiana, and Arizona.

 

[borski]

Yup, and their migrating to Texas and Florida too. People are leaving my state, NY, and California, partly because of the deterioration in living conditions. Once beautiful areas are now crime ridden, needle strewn, tent city populated and just generally run down relative to what they were. People are tired of shoplifters that are given what is essentially a free pass up to $900, resulting in store closures in many areas due to the shrinkage. Their tired of DAs that won’t prosecute unless there’s a dead body or give out sentences that criminals literally laugh at. Sure there are still nice areas, but they’re shrinking in number with each passing year.

To deny all this is burying one’s head in the sand. Good friends of ours recently moved from NY to Florida. I would tell them of this deterioration and they refused to believe it…until their son & his wife (one a movie producer and the other a TV producer) verified it in their home state of California. When I asked these same friends, prior to their moving, why they didn’t travel into NYC to see the shows they used to see, they acknowledged that crime was a deterrent.

And I haven’t even talked about the confiscatory tax rates.

People have moved in and out of the state for decades. It’s only burying your head in the sand to pretend this isn’t part of a cycle.

I agree on the DA issue, but again: this is a cycle. The “exodus” is temporary and overstated.

 

[Lucken]

People have moved in and out of the state for decades. It’s only burying your head in the sand to pretend this isn’t part of a cycle.

I agree on the DA issue, but again: this is a cycle. The “exodus” is temporary and overstated.

Sure, if taxes are lowered and conditions improved, people will move back. That would constitute a cycle. If not, the exodus will continue.

We shall agree to disagree.

 

[Sandvinsd]

Yup, and thei migrating to Texas and Florida too. People are leaving my state, NY, and California, partly because of the deterioration in living conditions. Once beautiful areas are now crime ridden, needle strewn, tent city populated and just generally run down relative to what they were. People are tired of shoplifters that are given what is essentially a free pass up to $900, resulting in store closures in many areas due to the shrinkage. Their tired of DAs that won’t prosecute unless there’s a dead body or give out sentences that criminals literally laugh at. Sure there are still nice areas, but they’re shrinking in number with each passing year.

To deny all this is burying one’s head in the sand. Good friends of ours recently moved from NY to Florida. I would tell them of this deterioration and they refused to believe it…until their son & his wife (one a movie producer and the other a TV producer) verified it in their home state of California. When I asked these same friends, prior to their moving, why they didn’t travel into NYC to see the shows they used to see, they acknowledged that crime was a deterrent.

And I haven’t even talked about the confiscatory tax rates.

Yeah. We haven’t really had crime in a nice area of San Diego until the last couple of years. Now catalytic converters are sawed off in broad daylight, cars are broken into and stolen, Amazon packages stolen in clear view of porch cameras. The criminals don’t care because they won’t be prosecuted. Also major shoplifting in the stores. The homeless are infiltrating the nicer areas, especially now that the extended the trolley from downtown into the La Jolla / UTC area.