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You wouldn't think so by seeing the number of homeless in both states.

The reason there are more homeless is specifically *because* there is more support. Being homeless in a lot of states is much much harder.

It’s a hard problem to solve.
 
Mental illness is the cause in many cases. Here in N.Y. when they decided to close some mental hospitals and allow people to fend for themselves, the homeless rate skyrocketed. So many of these people need mental health care and until they get it, the rates will be what they are. Others, let's face it, are simply lazy and don't want to work. There's one kid in his mid 20s that frequents a 7-11 near me. He's obviously not a 'bum' in the sense that many of us think of it, but nonetheless there he is, day after day. I had a conversation with him one day and mentioned there are tons of retailers looking for help. He claimed he had filled out many applications but he said, 'they told me I did it wrong'. Does he too have issues? I don't know.

As an experiment take your annual salary and calculate how much you make an hour. How hard would you be willing to work for $10/hr?
 
Billionaires, more power to them, make $480,000/hr. Just saying...
 
Depends on your values. I wouldn’t want to be a woman in Texas right now, for example, but that is because of my views on abortion.

Wouldn’t want to have been in Florida during the pandemic either.

Like I said: every state has issues, and none are perfect.
Florida had a lower death rate, despite its obviously elderly population, than states like NY & California where laws were far stricter. So I totally disagree with your assessment. John Hopkins just published a study a week or so ago showing that those states that had the strictest lockdowns only incurred a death rate 0.2% lower than others. Yet the economies in those states were hugely impacted. They went on to say that they would not recommend we follow similar guidelines or lockdowns the next time this occurs. Kids too have been very adversely impacted by some of these rules both developmentally and emotionally. Yet we have the politicians who were the most vocal about these rules caught on camera nearly every day flaunting the rules. "Rules for thee, not for me". That's what drives me nuts more than anything. We have a bunch of politicians who are true scum. Hopefully we have learned something from all of this, but somehow I doubt it.

At any rate I sense we're entering the political arena and I know from some of your posts that you and I will be on opposite sides of the fence. Best to resume discussions on the Lucid. ;)
 
The reason there are more homeless is specifically *because* there is more support. Being homeless in a lot of states is much much harder.

It’s a hard problem to solve.
I don't agree with that at all.
 
As an experiment take your annual salary and calculate how much you make an hour. How hard would you be willing to work for $10/hr?
Being retired, my annual 'salary', barring pensions, is zero. ;) Investment income is another story. :)

Yeah, but how practical is it for business owners to pay everyone $50/hr? They'd be out of business in no time. As in so many owners are barely hanging on. Look at the number of business closures.
 
As a healthcare provider, I can clearly say this could have been handled better. Every state for themselves only prolonged the pandemic. Somethings worked and some things didn't. Without a uniform approach it took to long to identify what did or didn't work.
 
Florida had a lower death rate, despite its obviously elderly population, than states like NY & California where laws were far stricter. So I totally disagree with your assessment. John Hopkins just published a study a week or so ago showing that those states that had the strictest lockdowns only incurred a death rate 0.2% lower than others. Yet the economies in those states were hugely impacted. They went on to say that they would not recommend we follow similar guidelines or lockdowns the next time this occurs. Kids too have been very adversely impacted by some of these rules both developmentally and emotionally. Yet we have the politicians who were the most vocal about these rules caught on camera nearly every day flaunting the rules. "Rules for thee, not for me". That's what drives me nuts more than anything. We have a bunch of politicians who are true scum. Hopefully we have learned something from all of this, but somehow I doubt it.

At any rate I sense we're entering the political arena and I know from some of your posts that you and I will be on opposite sides of the fence. Best to resume discussions on the Lucid. ;)

Agree to disagree. I’ve been following the data consistently due to my work on VaccinateCA for almost a year, and while I’m quite libertarian in general, the point remains: no state is perfect, and where you enjoy living depends largely on your values.

And happy to move back to Lucid.
 
As a healthcare provider, I can clearly say this could have been handled better. Every state for themselves only prolonged the pandemic. Somethings worked and some things didn't. Without a uniform approach it took to long to identify what did or didn't work.
OTOH, one universal approach could have been disastrous if it was the wrong one. The 'science' changed every week if not almost every day.

States rights are a hallmark of this country and I hope we don't move to abandon that.
 
As a healthcare provider, I can clearly say this could have been handled better. Every state for themselves only prolonged the pandemic. Somethings worked and some things didn't. Without a uniform approach it took to long to identify what did or didn't work.

Agreed completely. The patchwork quilt approach only prolonged it nationally, as opposed to having an agreed-upon response across the states.
 
Agree to disagree. I’ve been following the data consistently due to my work on VaccinateCA for almost a year, and while I’m quite libertarian in general, the point remains: no state is perfect, and where you enjoy living depends largely on your values.

And happy to move back to Lucid.
The data is the data. It is a fact that Florida has a lower death rate than NY or California. IMO that's especially notable given the aged population of Florida. One would expect a significantly higher death rate, but that didn't happen.
 
Being retired, my annual 'salary', barring pensions, is zero. ;) Investment income is another story. :)

Yeah, but how practical is it for business owners to pay everyone $50/hr? They'd be out of business in no time. As in so many owners are barely hanging on. Look at the number of business closures.

BINGO! You can't pay people $50/hr Not off the bat. I'm not an economist, I simply ask take a job that existed in lets say 1968 and adjust their salary for what that dollar amount is worth today, the worker today is underpaid compared to their 1968 counterpart.
 
OTOH, one universal approach could have been disastrous if it was the wrong one. The 'science' changed every week if not almost every day.

States rights are a hallmark of this country and I hope we don't move to abandon that.

And the approach could have changed and followed the science.

States’ rights are the reason we had the patchwork approach, thanks to the 10th amendment which grants states all rights the federal government is not explicitly granted. So, as the law stands, you’re right.

But: we could, theoretically, grant the federal government authority over national-scale pandemics such as this; it isn’t unprecedented, and isn’t a “slippery slope.”

In order to do that, though, we’d need to agree in Congress to do that, and I don’t see that happening with the present division in political discourse.

Anyway, let’s seriously get back on topic.
 
The data is the data. It is a fact that Florida has a lower death rate than NY or California. IMO that's especially notable given the aged population of Florida. One would expect a significantly higher death rate, but that didn't happen.

Don't forget to adjust per capita

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

Also, with the higher retire population, most exposure to virus was in public places, work place and in long term care facilities. I can't wait for the COVID autopsy.

I may be wrong but are many retirees in Florida, well healed? Aren't they the last of the "pension" recipients?
 
The data is the data. It is a fact that Florida has a lower death rate than NY or California. IMO that's especially notable given the aged population of Florida. One would expect a significantly higher death rate, but that didn't happen.
Hmm, where are you getting those numbers from?

I see CA as 213/100k vs FL at 321/100k?
 
Hmm, where are you getting those numbers from?

I see CA as 213/100k vs FL at 321/100k?
What was NY? Maybe it was just NY. But as I said, somehow the much older age of the Florida residents need to be accounted for.
 
OTOH, one universal approach could have been disastrous if it was the wrong one. The 'science' changed every week if not almost every day.

States rights are a hallmark of this country and I hope we don't move to abandon that.
Science changes with new data. It's literally sciences job to change as more information becomes available, problem was people don't understand that's how science works and expected the message to stay the same throughout the pandemic which in nonsense.
 
The data is the data. It is a fact that Florida has a lower death rate than NY or California. IMO that's especially notable given the aged population of Florida. One would expect a significantly higher death rate, but that didn't happen.

Florida has the third most COVID-19 deaths and cases in the nation, with more than 3.6 million cases and more than 59,000 deaths since February 2020. When adjusted for population, Florida’s COVID-19 death rate also ranks 10th among the 50 states, with 278 deaths per 100,000 people.

 
What was NY? Maybe it was just NY. But as I said, somehow the much older age of the Florida residents need to be accounted for.
NY was 344/100k
 
Don't forget to adjust per capita

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

Also, with the higher retire population, most exposure to virus was in public places, work place and in long term care facilities. I can't wait for the COVID autopsy.
OK, so in looking at your data, Florida fared better than NY or NJ, both with stricter regulations and Florida with an older population. So to simply say states with tougher rules fared better is not accurate. The John Hopkins study is another data point that makes my point.
 
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