How Much Range Are You Actually Getting?

[Bunnylebowski]

We’ve mentioned repeatedly on here how unfortunately the car’s display of predicted range in miles when you start is not based on your driving but is based on EPA. What’s the car’s tire pressure, what was the elevation changes, what was the speed 70mph or was it more? How much stop and go was involved (highway can have stop and go too with traffic). 40F will also incur a substantial range hit. This is not disappointing, this is just how varying conditions can affect EV range. The problem is Lucid is doing themselves a disservice by displaying an estimated range not based on actual conditions or driving habits, so as a result the average owner who doesn’t factor in other conditions that would affect range in ANY EV is going to be disappointed. I’ve found ABRP pretty reliable at predicting actual SOC%/range based on conditions, and you can input your actual mi/kWh you are averaging, so just use that to plan.

 

[Shawshankedagain]

I drove the car in sprint mode 100 miles yesterday but was driving hard and got about 60% of range which I expected. Haven’t done a long highway trip in smooth mode yet.

 

[joec]

We’ve mentioned repeatedly on here how unfortunately the car’s display of predicted range in miles when you start is not based on your driving but is based on EPA. What’s the car’s tire pressure, what was the elevation changes, what was the speed 70mph or was it more? How much stop and go was involved (highway can have stop and go too with traffic). 40F will also incur a substantial range hit. This is not disappointing, this is just how varying conditions can affect EV range. The problem is Lucid is doing themselves a disservice by displaying an estimated range not based on actual conditions or driving habits, so as a result the average owner who doesn’t factor in other conditions that would affect range in ANY EV is going to be disappointed. I’ve found ABRP pretty reliable at predicting actual SOC%/range based on conditions, and you can input your actual mi/kWh you are averaging, so just use that to plan.

Does ABRP have a CarPlay app? It would be amazing if they did.

 

[Bunnylebowski]

Does ABRP have a CarPlay app? It would be amazing if they did.

Yeah I think it works in CarPlay, haven’t tried it in the wife’s Subaru yet but I’ll give it a shot.

 

[Golfhack]

I have a Touring with 19" wheels. When I drove it home from the dealer with the aerocaps on, I got 4.2 mi/kWh (almost all highway driving). After taking the aerocaps off, I have gotten 3.4 mi/kWh fairly consistently. Temperature has been between 40-55 F. Recently, I have switched my display to show SOC rather than miles remaining. I find if I multiply the State of Charge by 3, I get a fairly good estimate of miles remaining (i.e. 50% SOC gives me 150 miles remaining). It's not as much range as I was hoping for but it's more than enough for my daily commute. I just have to charge a bit more often than I thought I would on road trips. Still completely love the car. The software bugs remain annoying though.

 

[MoniputerLM]

We’ve mentioned repeatedly on here how unfortunately the car’s display of predicted range in miles when you start is not based on your driving but is based on EPA. What’s the car’s tire pressure, what was the elevation changes, what was the speed 70mph or was it more? How much stop and go was involved (highway can have stop and go too with traffic). 40F will also incur a substantial range hit. This is not disappointing, this is just how varying conditions can affect EV range. The problem is Lucid is doing themselves a disservice by displaying an estimated range not based on actual conditions or driving habits, so as a result the average owner who doesn’t factor in other conditions that would affect range in ANY EV is going to be disappointed. I’ve found ABRP pretty reliable at predicting actual SOC%/range based on conditions, and you can input your actual mi/kWh you are averaging, so just use that to plan.

"Lucid is doing themselves a disservice by displaying an estimated range not based on actual conditions or driving habits"

Amen!!

 

[actnjack]

I set out on a 220-mile trip with battery charged to 374 miles but ran out of battery before returning. I had to stop before returning to charge up. I drove the speed limit; 60 to 70 miles; heat on 69, car seats and steering heater on and 3 pax. Also used the massager. Did not expect that I would lose that many miles on this trip. A complete opposite using my Tesla where it appears that I get more estimated miles on most trips especially when driving the speed limit.

 

[Tesla2.0]

"Lucid is doing themselves a disservice by displaying an estimated range not based on actual conditions or driving habits"

Amen!!

Rivian has 9 driving modes as oppose Lucid’s 3.
Every time when driver changes mode, it will adjust range. And it also have continuous efficiency chart and give you efficiency based on last 15 minutes driving styles/condition. I think it is basically copied from Model-S. It also has a much more accurate range estimator in navigation than Lucid which just simply extrapolate from EPA data.

Lucid wins in navigation features.
Rivian wins in range accuracy.

For instance…

1.50 mi/kWh when I’m stuck in LA traffic with a lot of complete stops and re-acceleration.

Then I go thru downhill, it went to 2.42 mi/kWh. Driver can really see how temperature, elevation and acceleration affecting the efficiency in real time in instrument cluster.

 

[DBV]

Rivian has 9 driving modes as oppose Lucid’s 3.
Every time when driver changes mode, it will adjust range. And it also have continuous efficiency chart and give you efficiency based on last 15 minutes driving styles/condition. I think it is basically copied from Model-S. It also has a much more accurate range estimator in navigation than Lucid which just simply extrapolate from EPA data.

Lucid wins in navigation features.
Rivian wins in range accuracy.

For instance…

1.50 mi/kWh when I’m stuck in LA traffic with a lot of complete stops and re-acceleration.


Then I go thru downhill, it went to 2.42 mi/kWh. Driver can really see how temperature, elevation and acceleration affecting the efficiency in real time in instrument cluster.

Nice that Rivian shows the other cars in infotainment cluster, similar to Tesla. I wonder if Lucid plans to do that too? I would think they would.

 

[Tesla2.0]

Nice that Rivian shows the other cars in infotainment cluster, similar to Tesla. I wonder if Lucid plans to do that too? I would think they would.

I’m sure Lucid will eventually.

Rivian is ahead in software and struggling to have their own in-house motor development.
Lucid on the other have the most efficient motor and drivetrain but taking time to improve software features. Both are opposite in their needs.

If I can only choose 1 EV, I would rather choose best hardware and let software OTA update improvement in catch up. If I get better software, but not hardware, I would have to trade in to get newer hardware.

Rivian is developing maximum battery in chassis while reduce motors count and improving motor efficiency themselves rather than being outsourced. So early adopters will have to sell their R1 to get newer version R1 in 2024 or 2025 with 80 more miles range.

 

[Bunnylebowski]

I set out on a 220-mile trip with battery charged to 374 miles but ran out of battery before returning. I had to stop before returning to charge up. I drove the speed limit; 60 to 70 miles; heat on 69, car seats and steering heater on and 3 pax. Also used the massager. Did not expect that I would lose that many miles on this trip. A complete opposite using my Tesla where it appears that I get more estimated miles on most trips especially when driving the speed limit.

Was there much stop and go during this trip or just steady speed limit the whole time? Any elevation changes? What was ambient temperature? What was your tire PSI? What wheel sizes are you on? Was there wind? I’m sorry that range does sound disappointing but it’s impossible to tell if there’s anything actually wrong without knowing more info because there’s so much more that affects range than speed and car climate setting.

Here’s my experience just this afternoon as I was driving into work: I DC fast charged the car at EVGo so battery was warm, it was 32F degrees and started snowing heavily as I got on the road. The conditions were bad so I drove at 50-55mph for most of the journey, reset the trip computer once I got on the highway. I could see on the opposite side of the interstate someone had spun out and caused a large crash, meanwhile not one wheel slipped on the Lucid for one second. My tires on my AirGT are 19” inflated to 48PSI cold. Battery was 78% starting out. Wind was about 10mph then according to Windy.com. Here is the picture of my efficiency from last charge and when I reset it once I got up to speed on the highway: 3.6 mi/kWh in heavy snow on unplowed roads at 32F with climate set to 72F, heated seats and steering, massage on. How did I achieve this miracle? 1: the battery was warm, 2: speed was 50-55mph. You’ll also notice in the pic from last charge is worse, this is because that was all the energy expended from the time I left the charging station until I got on the highway. As mentioned before stop and go driving in this heavy car and then getting it up to a speed kills efficiency and range. Driving at a steady speed really doesn’t. Cold temps definitely can kill efficiency but starting out with a warm battery makes a big difference.

 

[Volund]

One thing I'd like to remind everyone is that a most of the AGT/Touring/Pure deliveries has been during the winter, and so I think people will try to compare to earlier numbers here from the summer and be bummed out that they're not achieving that.
But don't lose hope, Spring/Summer is around the corner and in a few months, you'll be pulling higher numbers!

I was a non-believer but hit 3.8 on my drive from DC to Utah.
Now I have a really hard time going over 3, and when temps hit below 20F, it's more like 2.5-2.7 here (all highway and 55-60 mph driving too)

 

[JJ_5]

My average miles per kWh for the past 350 miles is 3.4. Approximately 200 of those miles have been on the highway at speeds between 65-80 mph. The other miles have been around town, including a couple of trips to a ski resort that had an elevation gain of 2000 feet per trip. The temperature outside has been between 15° and 35°F. I've kept the heat set at 74°, with no seat heater— the low setting is generally too warm for me. I keep the tires between 48 and 49 psi. and the car is kept in a heated garage. I charge the car almost every night to 80%.
The lifetime mi/kWh average for my car is 3.6. This is for 6,600 miles and includes two trips between UT and the Bay Area with an average speed in Nevada of 85-90 mph. I'm happy with my mileage.

 

[njg-agt]

With 1989 miles on the car in the past 3 months,
over the past 2.5 months, with SOC from 80% down to 5% ours has taken a step function down from what was previously 4 mi/kw to now just 0 mi/kw...
we're driving really (really) gently these days... hardly moving at all in fact...
hopefully that will improve when Lucid fills the parts order of 1.5 months ago fulfilled for the body shop...

 

[Tesla2.0]

For your reference, life time efficiency of Rivian R1S on 1/4 of time freeway Conserve mode and 22” OEM tires yields efficiency of 2.26 mi/kWh.”

 

[Bunnylebowski]

Damn you must hit a lot of traffic, average speed 18mph!

 

[Tesla2.0]

Damn you must hit a lot of traffic, average speed 18mph!

I got the car at 888 odometer. Now the odometer is 1305. I bet previous owner had 16mph before I brought that average up last 400 miles to 18mph.

This is why, I live in Texas, not Southern California.

 

[Tesla2.0]

But I like Rivian’s format, not just distance, total energy and efficiency, it also shows duration and average speed.

 

[windscar911]

GT on 21" wheels.

I had the best ever range performance today (Trip A).

Drove 16 miles to the San Diego coast from somewhere inland(the chargers in Rancho PQ) and back.

I was uncomfortablely low on charge (25%) and all chargers were full.

I knew the trip was 32 miles out and back and 25%*3mi/kWh should easily do it but I decided to drive as cautiously as possible.

To my absolute shock, I reached the coast (Solana Beach) at 5.5mi/kWh. Mostly freeways always under 70mph. I guess I started at an elevation.

On the way back I took no freeways, and had a lot of stop and go. That and the climb back uphill took its toll and brought it back down.

AC was off , and I drove VERY slowly when getting up to speed. Tried to coast over hills where possible. No adaptive cruise or HA.

On a flat trip, maybe 4+ could be doable. All in all, I went from 25%->18%. Where I was expecting 24->14%.

 

[GMan]

Touring / 20" with aero blades
50 degrees

I am at 3.4 m/kW lifetime with 200 miles. Besides the below trip, rarely on highway.
I had a 45 mile round trip and had a 3.8 m/kW. That is 50 degrees, plus plenty of elevation change (Las Vegas), and "fun" highway driving (70-85mph), with reasonably strong acceleration, definitely not going for efficiency.