Gravity Orders Discussion

[californiaboy935]

Everything is a binary now, with no room for nuance of any kind, huh? Noted.

You keep saying “cabal” like it’s a thing, but no such thing exists. We’re just reasonable owners, patiently waiting for a vehicle we want to be produced. I know you want it faster; everyone does.

But it’s much easier to rage at the “cabal,” whoever that is, than be patient. Got it.

Not my thing, but you do you. Have a nice day.

Passion for the brand is what brings us together. No one of in except the Lucid Official accounts work for Lucid. I love my Air GT; it’s got problems but has anyone here ever had a perfect car?

I’ll quote Ed from VinWiki “once you drive it off the lot, it’s yours, enjoy it”…

They delivered VIP cars in 2024; one delivery in 2024 would fulfill the promise Lucid made to us. They made more than one delivery and are ramping up production for a new model. Growing pains will abound; bad reviews will be penned… but the cabal (if one exists which I don’t believe one does) is a group of passionate individuals willing to look past a few road bumps.

I’d love a gravity, I can’t afford one due to the depreciation on my Air. Too bad for me! But if I could I’d be happy to wait for Lucid’s sausage making factory to be tuned and purring.

All this to say, I appreciate the mods and think your accusations @DrLucid are unfounded especially against the mods. We rely on what Lucid tells us, and on Gravity from a previous Tesla owner they have done more than be transparent.

Let’s not forget people are still waiting for a roaster to materialize; and tunneling company to turned from Vegas to LA, and men on Mars. Will these things be done, maybe, probably, who knows. But at least when lucid says 2024; they deliver a few cars and meet the deadline.

 

[DrLucid]

Everything is a binary now, with no room for nuance of any kind, huh? Noted.

You keep saying “cabal” like it’s a thing, but no such thing exists. We’re just reasonable owners, patiently waiting for a vehicle we want to be produced. I know you want it faster; everyone does.

But it’s much easier to rage at the “cabal,” whoever that is, than be patient. Got it.

Not my thing, but you do you. Have a nice day.

No I don’t want it to be faster. You got it completely wrong. I want communication. There are others took who want it but I’m responding to my needs.
Oh yeah let me remind you, because you quoted it I’m the owner of 2 lucid airs ,not one. Is not about the ownership of how many any body has its about responsibility of a company. Because somebody has billions in loan doesn’t mean 200k is nothing.
People here who booked lucid gravity for reasons that suit them for sure has felt they could rely on the statements made by the ceo. Delivery by end of 2024. May be too conveniently didn’ ignored it. But that’s the fact. He didn’t say it’s for family and friends. Transparency matters.

 

[DrLucid]

Passion for the brand is what brings us together. No one of in except the Lucid Official accounts work for Lucid. I love my Air GT; it’s got problems but has anyone here ever had a perfect car?

I’ll quote Ed from VinWiki “once you drive it off the lot, it’s yours, enjoy it”…

They delivered VIP cars in 2024; one delivery in 2024 would fulfill the promise Lucid made to us. They made more than one delivery and are ramping up production for a new model. Growing pains will abound; bad reviews will be penned… but the cabal (if one exists which I don’t believe one does) is a group of passionate individuals willing to look past a few road bumps.

I’d love a gravity, I can’t afford one due to the depreciation on my Air. Too bad for me! But if I could I’d be happy to wait for Lucid’s sausage making factory to be tuned and purring.

All this to say, I appreciate the mods and think your accusations @DrLucid are unfounded especially against the mods. We rely on what Lucid tells us, and on Gravity from a previous Tesla owner they have done more than be transparent.

Let’s not forget people are still waiting for a roaster to materialize; and tunneling company to turned from Vegas to LA, and men on Mars. Will these things be done, maybe, probably, who knows. But at least when lucid says 2024; they deliver a few cars and meet the deadline.

Yes they have been translucent not transparent @californiaboy935

 

[californiaboy935]

Yes they have been translucent not transparent @californiaboy935

Sent from my iPhone (re bad grammar or sentence structure)

The Gravity will be on the road soon; it’s been amazing to see the reviewers commentary about how amazing it is. If you don’t wanna wait then vote with your dollars and go somewhere else.

I’m over my limited warrantee on my lucid (51k) miles and I love it. Best car ever and can’t see not driving it. I stoped talking about my model S the week after I bought it; not this Lucid. It’s a constant in my life and I love it.

I convinced @Denali_Dane to buy one; as well as other friends. Another of our friends is buying the gravity, hates that it’s taking so long, but heck it’s a lucid… so the wait is worth it.

I’m not sure what guidance you would require? Daily checkup?

-producing your vehicle
-producing your vehicle
-producing your vehicle

No amount of communication would be enough, they could email you every day but eventually you’d be mad that they are just updating you and not delivering the car.

It’s a fine line, and they are walking it well in my opinion. If you need more guidance purchase and put a deposit down, then call them every day. YMMV tho!

 

[californiaboy935]

No I don’t want it to be faster. You got it completely wrong. I want communication. There are others took who want it but I’m responding to my needs.
Oh yeah let me remind you, because you quoted it I’m the owner of 2 lucid airs ,not one. Is not about the ownership of how many any body has its about responsibility of a company. Because somebody has billions in loan doesn’t mean 200k is nothing.
People here who booked lucid gravity for reasons that suit them for sure has felt they could rely on the statements made by the ceo. Delivery by end of 2024. May be too conveniently didn’ ignored it. But that’s the fact. He didn’t say it’s for family and friends. Transparency matters.

I would also note that fully loaded the Gravity is high 130’s (someone can correct me if I’m wrong)

Which is definitely a whole different level of white gloves service from the dream and sapphire level. It’s been talked about in other forums but expect the white glove feeling for our lower level vehicles will dry up quick.

Oh well. It’s a fact of life. I remember when a Tesla was as fancy ha!

 

[DrLucid]

Passion for the brand is what brings us together. No one of in except the Lucid Official accounts work for Lucid. I love my Air GT; it’s got problems but has anyone here ever had a perfect car?

I’ll quote Ed from VinWiki “once you drive it off the lot, it’s yours, enjoy it”…

They delivered VIP cars in 2024; one delivery in 2024 would fulfill the promise Lucid made to us. They made more than one delivery and are ramping up production for a new model. Growing pains will abound; bad reviews will be penned… but the cabal (if one exists which I don’t believe one does) is a group of passionate individuals willing to look past a few road bumps.

I’d love a gravity, I can’t afford one due to the depreciation on my Air. Too bad for me! But if I could I’d be happy to wait for Lucid’s sausage making factory to be tuned and purring.

All this to say, I appreciate the mods and think your accusations @DrLucid are unfounded especially against the mods. We rely on what Lucid tells us, and on Gravity from a previous Tesla owner they have done more than be transparent.

Let’s not forget people are still waiting for a roaster to materialize; and tunneling company to turned from Vegas to LA, and men on Mars. Will these things be done, maybe, probably, who knows. But at least when lucid says 2024; they deliver a few cars and meet the deadline.

Yes they have been translucent not transparent@californiaboy935
And @borski I’m not a spoilt brat to be expecting things immediately. I came up from a life with two pairs of cloths to the point where I’m with hardwork and resilience. The core of my point Is misunderstood, hope you understand what I tried to convey.
I never complained in any post regarding the problems I had with my AIRs. I knew how to correct them out go surround them. For me the convenience of driving with the luxury to my work mattered and it being an American car mattered.
On yeah I don’t need your car is in the production line and it’s drink and drink are assembled and it’s seats are being produced and it’s
They are being installed and all that. Update didn’t mean that let you people know when you going to the bathroom it means when things are getting done to get the product to the consumers. Anymore questions @californiaboy935

 

[borski]

No I don’t want it to be faster. You got it completely wrong. I want communication. There are others took who want it but I’m responding to my needs.
Oh yeah let me remind you, because you quoted it I’m the owner of 2 lucid airs ,not one. Is not about the ownership of how many any body has its about responsibility of a company. Because somebody has billions in loan doesn’t mean 200k is nothing.
People here who booked lucid gravity for reasons that suit them for sure has felt they could rely on the statements made by the ceo. Delivery by end of 2024. May be too conveniently didn’ ignored it. But that’s the fact. He didn’t say it’s for family and friends. Transparency matters.

Okay. I also want more communication. Clearly you’re more upset by it than I am. Fine.

I wasn’t competing for who had more Airs or how much they cost. That is a strawman and irrelevant. I was simply explaining that my support isn’t blind. It’s great that your lack of it apparently isn’t either.

I have no idea what the rest of your post means, as they said they would deliver some in ‘24 and did, but it’s clear we’re not going to agree, and I’m fine with that. I hope you are too.

 

[Knucklehead]

Yes they have been translucent not transparent@californiaboy935
And @borski I’m not a spoilt brat to be expecting things immediately. I came up from a life with two pairs of cloths to the point where I’m with hardwork and resilience. The core of my point Is misunderstood, hope you understand what I tried to convey.
I never complained in any post regarding the problems I had with my AIRs. I knew how to correct them out go surround them. For me the convenience of driving with the luxury to my work mattered and it being an American car mattered.
On yeah I don’t need your car is in the production line and it’s drink and drink are assembled and it’s seats are being produced and it’s
They are being installed and all that. Update didn’t mean that let you people know when you going to the bathroom it means when things are getting done to get the product to the consumers. Anymore questions @californiaboy935

Watching this discussion from the sidelines, you seem very angry. I understand some level of frustration, but I don't understand the level of anger you seem to have over it.

If you desperately need a new vehicle, there are other choices out there that will get you what you need. If you just really want a Gravity, it will come. And I think it makes sense for them to deliver the first production vehicles at the highest quality possible. I don't think there is any other reason for the delay.

I suspect they are still finalizing software, but that is just a guess. Don't you want a vehicle that is fully functional? I do.

 

[illopp00]

Would u all order the third row of seats if u maybe would need the additional seats once or maybe twice a year, is it worth it

Yes, because they fold so nicely.

 

[DeaneG]

I'll wait for Gravity. There are currently few competitive options, each with their own strengths and weaknesses - notably reduced range and unfinished software. When a Gravity does become available to me, I'll evaluate it against those competitors. I can't control other companies' operations and there's no sense in raising my blood pressure over it.

Wanting my Gravity to be produced right now, or for its competitors' software to become stable tomorrow, is unrealistic. The crank needs to turn a bit more.

 

[Bus Driver]

I'll wait for Gravity. There are currently few competitive options, each with their own strengths and weaknesses - notably reduced range and unfinished software. When a Gravity does become available to me, I'll evaluate it against those competitors. I can't control other companies' operations and there's no sense in raising my blood pressure over it.

Wanting my Gravity to be produced right now, or for its competitors' software to become stable tomorrow, is unrealistic. The crank needs to turn a bit more.

When it comes to young EV manufacturers, the longer we wait, the better the end product will be.

 

[HC_79]

When it comes to young EV manufacturers, the longer we wait, the better the end product will be.

Young companies especially car companies don’t have the luxury of time. They face a up hill battle from the get go and trying to convince someone to switch brands to some unknown is a battle in itself. If they drag their feet getting orders out then people who were willing to give them a shot could get fed up and just move on staying in their safe space with the brand they’ve been committed to.

They also risk the competition catching up. Look what happened with the Air, they had 35,000 reservations and dragged their feet getting down to the Pure variant that people moved on. Granted, interest rates, inflation would have played a role but they certainly would have lost sales as a result of taking too long to produce. From a competition standpoint they promised bi-directional charging and V2H and were probably the first to do so then Ford beat them to it by a long shot.

In my opinion, the “take as long as you like” approach doesn’t work in Lucid’s favor when they’re relying on people to take a chance on them. Take an order and then can’t tell someone when it’s due will have a ripple effect. Someone’s mindset could be, I was willing to take a chance on you and you couldn’t even get me basic information or deliver in a timely manner, I’m done.

 

[borski]

Young companies especially car companies don’t have the luxury of time. They face a up hill battle from the get go and trying to convince someone to switch brands to some unknown is a battle in itself. If they drag their feet getting orders out then people who were willing to give them a shot could get fed up and just move on staying in their safe space with the brand they’ve been committed to.

They also risk the competition catching up. Look what happened with the Air, they had 35,000 reservations and dragged their feet getting down to the Pure variant that people moved on. Granted, interest rates, inflation would have played a role but they certainly would have lost sales as a result of taking too long to produce. From a competition standpoint they promised bi-directional charging and V2H and were probably the first to do so then Ford beat them to it by a long shot.

In my opinion, the “take as long as you like” approach doesn’t work in Lucid’s favor when they’re relying on people to take a chance on them. Take an order and then can’t tell someone when it’s due will have a ripple effect. Someone’s mindset could be, I was willing to take a chance on you and you couldn’t even get me basic information or deliver in a timely manner, I’m done.

As a counterpoint, releasing a car too early, if it isn’t quite ready yet, is a death knell. I’m not saying the Gravity isn’t ready yet, but surely there is a balance to be struck. If Lucid released a vehicle that had a bunch of issues, their brand is dead in the water, and that’s much worse than releasing a few months late.

Remember that *most* buyers are not like you or I; they don’t seek out forums and obsess over specs and every piece of news, etc. When they are eventually looking for a car, they will seek out what’s available, and see what they want.

We, here, all too often forget that we are not the norm.

With that said, I agree with much of what you said, too. The communication definitely needs improvement, and that is, imho, the biggest issue.

I will say that I very much hope V2H is out soon, and I suspect it will be (based on what Lucid has said), but I’ll note that it hasn’t sold many vehicles for Ford. I’m glad it exists, but it hasn’t been a driver (no pun intended) for sales for them, afaik. That might also be why it isn’t the top item for Lucid (or maybe it is, and is just stuck in regulatory hell, I have no idea, but I doubt it).

 

[DeaneG]

...In my opinion, the “take as long as you like” approach doesn’t work in Lucid’s favor when they’re relying on people to take a chance on them. Take an order and then can’t tell someone when it’s due will have a ripple effect. Someone’s mindset could be, I was willing to take a chance on you and you couldn’t even get me basic information or deliver in a timely manner, I’m done.

I respect your position and agree. IMO Lucid shouldn't have opened orders yet - it isn't benefitting them. I can also understand why Lucid hasn't provided a progress report. How long will it take for their various vendors to improve the quality level of the parts they are producing? When will a pesky bug on UX3 be fixed? Once things are rolling smoothly, I would hope for more communication.

 

[hydbob]

I respect your position and agree. IMO Lucid shouldn't have opened orders yet - it isn't benefitting them. I can also understand why Lucid hasn't provided a progress report. How long will it take for their various vendors to improve the quality level of the parts they are producing? When will a pesky bug on UX3 be fixed? Once things are rolling smoothly, I would hope for more communication.

I agree wtih Deane here. Lucid's biggest mistake was opening orders. They could have just done their PR stunt deliveries in Dec'24 and then waited. Now with orders having been open since Nov 7, the waiting game is tiring and opposite what was advertised.

 

[borski]

I agree wtih Deane here. Lucid's biggest mistake was opening orders. They could have just done their PR stunt deliveries in Dec'24 and then waited. Now with orders having been open since Nov 7, the waiting game is tiring and opposite what was advertised.

I don’t disagree, but I also don’t have the context. I wouldn’t have made that choice myself probably, but I have no idea if investors were pushing them to or something.

Or maybe it was just a mistake. I don’t know.

There’s another option, which is that perhaps the majority of order-placers are actually not bothered at the moment. Again: I have no idea, as I am definitely not the normal buyer.

I do think some kind of communication would be very welcomed.

 

[HC_79]

With that said, I agree with much of what you said, too. The communication definitely needs improvement, and that is, imho, the biggest issue

I agree wtih Deane here. Lucid's biggest mistake was opening orders. They could have just done their PR stunt deliveries in Dec'24 and then waited. Now with orders having been open since Nov 7, the waiting game is tiring and opposite what was advertised.

I respect your position and agree. IMO Lucid shouldn't have opened orders yet - it isn't benefitting them. I can also understand why Lucid hasn't provided a progress report. How long will it take for their various vendors to improve the quality level of the parts they are producing? When will a pesky bug on UX3 be fixed? Once things are rolling smoothly, I would hope for more communication.

I believe this encapsulates the entire frustration that has led to this thread reaching 55 pages without a single confirmation or delivery. Lucid’s communication created an unrealistic expectation, some may argue that they didn’t make any promises, but it’s evident that the manner in which the Gravity was communicated that a subset of people, including myself, led us to believe that it would be available sooner than Lucid had anticipated.

The orders should have never been opened on November 7th if the company had no intention of delivering cars to customers in months. Instead, they should have announced production and stated that orders would open once the first production cars hit the showrooms

I don’t disagree, but I also don’t have the context. I wouldn’t have made that choice myself probably, but I have no idea if investors were pushing them to or something.

Or maybe it was just a mistake. I don’t know.

There’s another option, which is that perhaps the majority of order-placers are actually not bothered at the moment. Again: I have no idea, as I am definitely not the normal buyer.

I do think some kind of communication would be very welcomed.

This is what I take issue with because I firmly believe that the announcements are purely to satisfy investors and to add to the slide decks that they've "done a thing". Meanwhile, it's pissing off people who are wanting a car or software to be fixed quicker, etc. I'm noticing a pattern recently that OTA's with a major feature are getting dropped right before an earnings call and lo and behold that OTA gets mentioned on said earnings call. The Gravity orders opening was the day of the Q3 earnings call so it could be mentioned. They're going to sell the 9 deliveries as a win to go on the Q4 earnings call. They'll also announce the Supercharger access as a win but let's be realistic here, 9 out of 16,000+ Lucid's currently have access to the SC network. I wouldn't be surprised if some Gravity's start showing up in showrooms days before the earnings call so they can pretend they've made huge progress. It's all coming across as smoke and mirrors.

While Lucid may be trying to appease its investors it's potentially sabotaging its relationship with future and existing owners.

 

[hydbob]

I don’t disagree, but I also don’t have the context. I wouldn’t have made that choice myself probably, but I have no idea if investors were pushing them to or something.

Or maybe it was just a mistake. I don’t know.

There’s another option, which is that perhaps the majority of order-placers are actually not bothered at the moment. Again: I have no idea, as I am definitely not the normal buyer.

I do think some kind of communication would be very welcomed.

like @HC_79 mentioned earlier, a lot of effort was made to be "different" and deliver vehicles within a certain time period after ordering was opened up. I'd argue that because of that specific messaging, many order-placers are frustrated because they were sold on an expectation of deliveries. You may also be right =)

 

[marsarbu]

If I have a choice between fast delivery of a bug-ridden car (Air) and delayed delivery of a reliable one, I would take the latter every time.

 

[HC_79]

If I have a choice between fast delivery of a bug-ridden car (Air) and delayed delivery of a reliable one, I would take the latter every time.

The Gravity SHOULD be in a vastly different situation from where the Air was. If, at its current stage, it’s plagued by bugs like the Air, then one would argue that Lucid has made no progress. It’s why comparing it to the Air’s ramp-up isn’t particularly helpful either, because Lucid should have learned from its mistakes to make this ramp-up smoother. The longer deliveries are delayed, one can’t help but question what they’ve learned from the Air. If software is indeed the issue, then Lucid should have either toned down the communication or simply been upfront. It’s not the first time a car company has had to announce a delay due to software problems. I gave them a pass on the Air production issues because this was their first-to-market vehicle, but on Gravity, the situation is tightening up a bit because they’ve had three years of manufacturing the Air, where major production issues and bottlenecks like the Air faced shouldn’t be a problem if they’ve learned from their mistakes.

Honestly, even with the Air's production woes, they delivered 125 in the 2 months after deliveries started. It appears we're not going to see 125 delivered by end of February actually making this ramp up worse than the Airs which is pretty disappointing. You're supposed to go forwards not backwards.