Gravity Orders Discussion

[marsarbu]

The Gravity SHOULD be in a vastly different situation from where the Air was. If, at its current stage, it’s plagued by bugs like the Air, then one would argue that Lucid has made no progress. It’s why comparing it to the Air’s ramp-up isn’t particularly helpful either, because Lucid should have learned from its mistakes to make this ramp-up smoother. The longer deliveries are delayed, one can’t help but question what they’ve learned from the Air. If software is indeed the issue, then Lucid should have either toned down the communication or simply been upfront. It’s not the first time a car company has had to announce a delay due to software problems. I gave them a pass on the Air production issues because this was their first-to-market vehicle, but on Gravity, the situation is tightening up a bit because they’ve had three years of manufacturing the Air, where major production issues and bottlenecks like the Air faced shouldn’t be a problem if they’ve learned from their mistakes.

Honestly, even with the Air's production woes, they delivered 125 in the 2 months after deliveries started. It appears we're not going to see 125 delivered by end of February actually making this ramp up worse than the Airs which is pretty disappointing. You're supposed to go forwards not backwards.

I love the enthusiasm, but my idiotic common-sense tells me that there is a high chance that Gravity's software is built by the same team / under the same leadership. Even worse, the same resources might have been split between Air and Gravity. That, coupled with the fact that one of my cats missed the litterbox this morning, makes me think that we're nearing the end of the world.

 

[HC_79]

I love the enthusiasm, but my idiotic common-sense tells me that there is a high chance that Gravity's software is built by the same team / under the same leadership. Even worse, the same resources might have been split between Air and Gravity. That, coupled with the fact that one of my cats missed the litterbox this morning, makes me think that we're nearing the end of the world.

You seem to be forgetting that a number of items that have been showing up in the Air of late are because of the software development efforts for Gravity. The software shouldn't be as bug-ridden as the early Airs were.

 

[marsarbu]

You seem to be forgetting that a number of items that have been showing up in the Air of late are because of the software development efforts for Gravity.

What makes you say that?

 

[CWedge411]

You seem to be forgetting that a number of items that have been showing up in the Air of late are because of the software development efforts for Gravity. The software shouldn't be as bug-ridden as the early Airs were.

Technically the old airs shouldn't have been as bug ridden as they were either lol

 

[HC_79]

Technically the old airs shouldn't have been as bug ridden as they were either lol

True. I think they downplayed how importance the software was in favor of fine-tuning the engineering and whilst one can't be fixed after the fact, software shouldn't have just been ignored thinking "don't worry, we can fix this after", lol!

 

[gladtbx]

When it comes to young EV manufacturers, the longer we wait, the better the end product will be.

Fisker should have listened to you and release their car next year.

I agree wtih Deane here. Lucid's biggest mistake was opening orders. They could have just done their PR stunt deliveries in Dec'24 and then waited. Now with orders having been open since Nov 7, the waiting game is tiring and opposite what was advertised.

This. It is clear that Gravity production/delivery is just a PR stunt for their stock prices. Yes Gravity is a great car. Yes everyone prefers to get a reliable car at delivery instead of a half baked one, even if it means a longer wait.

But it doesn't mean customers should be treated as second class citizens compared to the shareholders. All the actions from Lucid up until today show that they care more about their stock prices over their actual customers.

I am not saying they should not care their stock prices, but if Peter Rawlinson truly cares about customer experience (Excellent product is just part of the experience. Communications, setting expectations, services, warranties are all part of the experience), Lucid should stick to their words and only open reservation whenever they are truly ready to take orders.

If Lucid is a pizza restaurant, it looks like that they started taking orders once the oven is built. Only 9 pizzas were delivered. Customers with a reservation deserves to know when they are expecting to get their pizzas. Yes customers should not get half baked pizzas. If the dough needs another 2 hours to mature, talk to the customers, inform them, instead of just showing them a documentary about how a tasty Lucid Pizza is made, but never tell them when the pizza will be ready.

Yes we all have the option to just stand up and leave for another restaurant if we are really starving. They may have worse food than Lucid Pizza, but if you are really starving you might have to just take it. But guess what kind of review on Yelp/Google etc Lucid will get from those customers?

 

[HC_79]

es we all have the option to just stand up and leave for another restaurant if we are really starving. They may have worse food than Lucid Pizza, but if you are really starving you might have to just take it. But guess what kind of review on Yelp/Google etc Lucid will get from those customers?

The only thing tying me to Gravity at the moment is the NACS port being standard and the Supercharger access. If the Gen 2 R1S had of put the NACS port in I would be trading the Air and have jumped ship right about now. Rivian's communication and speed they're pumping out software is leagues ahead of Lucid. They literally announced a whole new UI and then 2 or 3 weeks later it was being pushed to vehicles. I'm not a fool, I know Rivian has issues as well but they just seem more engaged/aggressive as a whole.

Don't get me wrong, there's lots of pros that I like about Lucid (I wouldn't have stuck around otherwise) from not just the car but the passion I see in the people running the company. No one is doing what they're doing from an engineering standpoint (Eg 400kW/225kW 1000V/500V charging) that I constantly have in the back of my mind that if I jump ship I will regret it but at some point I also think how much of a fool do I need to be to be constantly putting up with this behavior. I've owned my Air since March 2022 so its been a long ride of ups and downs.

Maybe I'm in a toxic relationshp

 

[msaunders9430]

I'm thankful that this forum is here for some of you.
Alot of emotional energy going into some of these posts. Especially starting last night.
Keep posting/venting. That's better than kicking the dog, lashing out at the spouse/significant other, etc.
Don't let this get to you too much. Stress can kill you.
I have to also realize that even after Gravity deliveries start and even if the software is stellar, at some point there is going to be an issue and we're gonna hear about it quite often from some of you, each time. No problem. There's always the Internet waiting to listen.

I wonder if some of the frustration is because there really are no serious competitors.
Competitors exist, but "serious" competitors that could pull you away from Gravity. They don't exist for me, so I draw on the patience of the OG Air owners who waited for years and the woman who waited 8 years for an ID Buzz. Later this year the Genesis GV90 should be released. I seriously doubt it will be as efficient as the Gravity when it comes to exterior footprint-to-interior space, but I'll be peaking at it. Unfortunately, unless the GV90 just blows me away, I'm a Gravity hostage. If Gravity GTs are rolliing out and there is a prolonged wait for a Touring, I'll order a GT.

However, if some of the emotion (pissed off, frustration, etc.) exists because there is a time constraint or whatever to own an ev, maybe at some point pick a competitor and consider leasing.

If I seriously needed an ev within the next six months, I'd probably cave and lease an R1S; as much as I hate the headlights, interior, my wife says is "plain ugly", etc. I'd lease it out of need. I've never leased, but the situation would call for it.

The lack of communication? Yep. Could be way better.
Opening deliveries sent an message of deliveries soon? Yep.
Could things have been done differently? Yep. Hindsight is ... .
There were OG owners who were confident the Gravity rollout would be smoother than the Air. Made sense, but hasn't happened. No fault on them.

For those who seem to be significantly affected by this wait, please take care of yourself.
It's not the dog's or the spouse/significant other, children, whoever fault.
You wanna break up some furniture? Go for it.

Just think, one day you'll be on this forum complaining about your issues with your Gravity, but at least you'll have it.

 

[DeaneG]

If the Gen 2 R1S had of put the NACS port in I would be trading the Air and have jumped ship right about now...

I'd be tempted if a US-built Polestar 3 was already available with NACS and Lidar. But Polestar is having their own issues, saving me from making a decision too early. I'm not good at having patience in the presence of shiny new tech.

Also, basically, I'd rather have another Lucid in my garage than something more mundane.

 

[msaunders9430]

Maybe I'm in a toxic relationshp

You are.
And you're getting ready to marry a Gravity.
You see another (R1S) who seems nicer, has more going for it ... for now, but still a few issues.
And yet, you know if you walk away, you'll always be thinking about Gravity as you peak in on this forum. Cheater!

Gravity will have issues. You gotta decide if you can keep taking it to therapy (aka service center).

 

[borski]

They'll also announce the Supercharger access as a win but let's be realistic here, 9 out of 16,000+ Lucid's currently have access to the SC network.

I don’t think this part is quite fair. Sure, 9 today, but it charges faster than any other vehicle on a Tesla SC, and it’s announced and working such that *at the time of delivery* it will arrive with supercharger access already working. That *is* a win.

Not the win of “all Airs can use Tesla SCs,” but it’s definitely a win that at delivery the Gravity already has access to SCs, and at faster rates than even any Tesla, *and* is already ready for 1000V cabinets.

The rest of your post is valid; if you have a time constraint, pick the car you need that is available. If you don’t, though, patience is a virtue, and I’d rather they get it right than fast.

All of this is separate from the fact that communication definitely needs to be improved.

 

[msaunders9430]

I'd be tempted if a US-built Polestar 3 was already available with NACS and Lidar. But Polestar is having their own issues, saving me from making a decision too early. I'm not good at having patience in the presence of shiny new tech.

Also, basically, I'd rather have another Lucid in my garage than something more mundane.

And does Polestar have those nice informative Tech Talk videos?
Does Polestar have that unique look like no other ev suv or does it kinda look like a Honda CRV?
Does the Polestar 3 have nice interior displays or a giant iPad in the middle and a small tablet behind the steering wheel?
See I've been peaking over there too! You're just another Gravity hostage like me.

What about the Volvo EX90?
Doesn't do it for me, but it's US-built.
The 2025's will have a NACS port and Lidar.
As a Lucid shareholder, I shouldn't be saying these things.

 

[marsarbu]

And does Polestar have those nice informative Tech Talk videos?
Does Polestar have that unique look like no other ev suv or does it kinda look like a Honda CRV?
Does the Polestar 3 have nice interior displays or a giant iPad in the middle and a small tablet behind the steering wheel?
See I've been peaking over there too! You're just another Gravity hostage like me.

What about the Volvo EX90?
Doesn't do it for me, but it's US-built.
The 2025's will have a NACS port and Lidar.
As a Lucid shareholder, I shouldn't be saying these things.

The EX90 is serious competition. Still, hearing about the software issues Volvo had with the smaller EVs, I would give them one more year before even considering.

 

[EVCar]

Mercedes today announced access to the Tesla SC network.
They sell the adaptor for $250, which is rumored to be made by Lectron and can be bought for $180 and change.

 

[DeaneG]

The EX90 is serious competition. Still, hearing about the software issues Volvo had with the smaller EVs, I would give them one more year before even considering.

We've owned an all-electric XC40 EV with AAOS/GAS for 3.5 years. Its software has been more buggy lately, requiring frequent infotainment resets. And the UX is utilitarian rather than stylish. But wow, how well do Google Maps and Assistant work compared to Lucid's solutions. And the car itself feels bulletproof.

 

[msaunders9430]

R1S, EX90, Polestar 3.
Before Gravity, those were my possible choices.

The song that describes my relationship with Gravity is Hotel California by the Eagles.

You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.

We are all just prisoners here of our own device.

There's plenty of room at the Hotel California and in Gravity.

 

[mnat]

R1S, EX90, Polestar 3.
Before Gravity, those were my possible choices.

The song that describes my relationship with Gravity is Hotel California by the Eagles.

You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.

We are all just prisoners here of our own device.

There's plenty of room at the Hotel California and in Gravity.

Of course the Rivian is not as efficient as Gravity per Kwh, but when you put a third row in a Gravity and a comparable wheel size to the Rivian, the R1S Max Pack has more EPA range and is ~$20k less when comparably equipped. As much as I think I will prefer Gravity, that's definitely a competing option in my eyes.

 

[gladtbx]

I wonder if some of the frustration is because there really are no serious competitors.
Competitors exist, but "serious" competitors that could pull you away from Gravity. They don't exist for me, so I draw on the patience of the OG Air owners who waited for years and the woman who waited 8 years for an ID Buzz. Later this year the Genesis GV90 should be released. I seriously doubt it will be as efficient as the Gravity when it comes to exterior footprint-to-interior space, but I'll be peaking at it. Unfortunately, unless the GV90 just blows me away, I'm a Gravity hostage. If Gravity GTs are rolling out and there is a prolonged wait for a Touring, I'll order a GT.

There is no serious competitors in North America. I don't want to divert the discussion too much, but looking at Out of Spec Reviews recent China series, these are direct competition. Lucid still has its edge on drive quality/efficiency etc, but the competition is definitely there.

After all, most people here want Lucid to succeed, either you are a share holder, owner, or potential owner. Individual opinions/feelings about Lucid does not really matter to Lucid's success/failure. We on this forum represent a tiny fraction of potential market for Lucid.

Yes some of us are willing to wait for the best Gravity. Yes some of us won't buy any Chinese car at all. It really does not matter that much. Look at Tesla, one key point for Tesla to be successful is it was able to scale up its production. Scaling out of the North America market is a key step for Tesla to succeed.

People rant here because they still want a Gravity. Personally I am not expecting Peter or anyone from Lucid to come read our rants and fix it. Nor am I expecting our peers on this forum to take out their crystal ball to tell me when I can get my order delivered. We are all just here to share our thoughts. There is no right or wrong on expressing frustration on the wait, or appreciation on the attention to details Lucid is showing.

I hope we all respect each other's expressions over their joy, frustration, thoughts, suggestion etc. Just agree to disagree and keep sharing useful information for the benefit of all Lucid enthusiasts.

 

[Knucklehead]

And does Polestar have those nice informative Tech Talk videos?
Does Polestar have that unique look like no other ev suv or does it kinda look like a Honda CRV?
Does the Polestar 3 have nice interior displays or a giant iPad in the middle and a small tablet behind the steering wheel?
See I've been peaking over there too! You're just another Gravity hostage like me.

What about the Volvo EX90?
Doesn't do it for me, but it's US-built.
The 2025's will have a NACS port and Lidar.
As a Lucid shareholder, I shouldn't be saying these things.

Polestar is Chinese spyware. IMO. I will never buy one. Ever.

 

[msaunders9430]

There is no serious competitors in North America. I don't want to divert the discussion too much, but looking at Out of Spec Reviews recent China series, these are direct competition. Lucid still has its edge on drive quality/efficiency etc, but the competition is definitely there.

After all, most people here want Lucid to succeed, either you are a share holder, owner, or potential owner. Individual opinions/feelings about Lucid does not really matter to Lucid's success/failure. We on this forum represent a tiny fraction of potential market for Lucid.

Yes some of us are willing to wait for the best Gravity. Yes some of us won't buy any Chinese car at all. It really does not matter that much. Look at Tesla, one key point for Tesla to be successful is it was able to scale up its production. Scaling out of the North America market is a key step for Tesla to succeed.

People rant here because they still want a Gravity. Personally I am not expecting Peter or anyone from Lucid to come read our rants and fix it. Nor am I expecting our peers on this forum to take out their crystal ball to tell me when I can get my order delivered. We are all just here to share our thoughts. There is no right or wrong on expressing frustration on the wait, or appreciation on the attention to details Lucid is showing.

I hope we all respect each other's expressions over their joy, frustration, thoughts, suggestion etc. Just agree to disagree and keep sharing useful information for the benefit of all Lucid enthusiasts.

Total agreement on the OoS China series.
Those EVs are definitely serious competition from a ev perspective.