Gravity Orders Discussion

[Sid432]

I would not go so far as to call anyone at Lucid INCOMPETENT. The employees, including Peter, that I have met are extremely smart and capable people. I do think Lucid ran into an issue that was not expected. I also agree with both you and @HC_79 that Luicd could have handled the situation better and provided a lot more communication about the actual status of Gravity. However, I don't think it is fair to say that Lucid is incompetent or that Luicd lied.

Can you tell Peter our humble request to provide the communication for us when you meet him next time ?

 

[borski]

So, what about features like Dash Cam, Hands free eyes on road features? Where are they now?

No idea. What date were they promised to you by, and where is that communication? It is not lying to not state, or even to not know, when a feature will arrive. It is just bad communication. Those are distinct issues.

So, in reading all the back-and-forth, I think we are saying:
> no, Lucid did not LIE. They are just INCOMPETENT in planning, execution, and communication, correct?

Don't we all feel better already?!

Perhaps you could consider that life is full of gray areas, and that even extremely competent people do not always control all of the factors you might think they do. That’s why one generally needs context to understand things. Unfortunately, for better or worse, we don’t have that context with Lucid, due to their flaws in communication.

But “incompetent”? Please. That’s such a baseless claim, I’ll leave it to the reader to google Lucid’s accolades. Surely they won all those with an incompetent team. That’s how that works.

So, is there a world in which Lucid (and more importantly, the *people* at Lucid) exist somewhere between pathological liars and incompetent? Or is the world quite that all-or-nothing for you?

I’ve seen very competent people run into very unpredictable problems. It happens all the time. Hell, sometimes they even run into predictable problems. Off with their heads? Meh.

Hope you have a lovely day.

 

[Gravitas]

Meanwhile across the Atlantic, the Gravity is being demoed for our Saudi Sugar Daddies at the #SaudiCup (horse racing event).

From a few Arabic-to-English translations I've seen on Twitter, it appears that there are going to be more Gravitys in Saudi showrooms compared to the U.S.

 

[momo3605]

Meanwhile across the Atlantic, the Gravity is being demoed for our Saudi Sugar Daddies at the #SaudiCup (horse racing event).

From a few Arabic-to-English translations I've seen on Twitter, it appears that there are going to be more Gravitys in Saudi showrooms compared to the U.S.

Makes sense…they’re the ones paying the bills!

 

[BS8899]

No idea. What date were they promised to you by, and where is that communication? It is not lying to not state, or even to not know, when a feature will arrive. It is just bad communication. Those are distinct issues.


Perhaps you could consider that life is full of gray areas, and that even extremely competent people do not always control all of the factors you might think they do. That’s why one generally needs context to understand things. Unfortunately, for better or worse, we don’t have that context with Lucid, due to their flaws in communication.

But “incompetent”? Please. That’s such a baseless claim, I’ll leave it to the reader to google Lucid’s accolades. Surely they won all those with an incompetent team. That’s how that works.

So, is there a world in which Lucid (and more importantly, the *people* at Lucid) exist somewhere between pathological liars and incompetent? Or is the world quite that all-or-nothing for you?

I’ve seen very competent people run into very unpredictable problems. It happens all the time. Hell, sometimes they even run into predictable problems. Off with their heads? Meh.

Hope you have a lovely day.

I am not throwing shades on Lucid's technical capabilities RE: powertrain and cabin design. They do a good job on those fronts. My first encounter with Lucid was watching a video of Rawlinson explaining his drive train motors. I was impressed and amused by Rawlinson, geeking out explaining how the motor works, the skin-effect, etc.. He was beside himself! Clearly he is a competent engineer and CTO.

My remarks on (in)competence was specific to running their business vis-a-vis, planning, execution, and communication.

As a historical comparison, Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla were contemporaries of each other. As a matter of fact, Tesla worked for Edison. Edison did not invent the light bulb, but he "merely" perfected it. Maybe Edison wasn't as technically smart as Tesla. But he built a very successful business which became GE. Tesla (Nikola), on the other hand, failed in his businesses after he left Edison's Labs, and Tesla died a poor and broken man.

If Lucid were to survive, it needs to be run like a business.

 

[borski]

I am not throwing shades on Lucid's technical capabilities RE: powertrain and cabin design. They do a good job on those fronts. My first encounter with Lucid was watching a video of Rawlinson explaining his drive train motors. I was impressed and amused by Rawlinson, geeking out explaining how the motor works, the skin-effect, etc.. He was beside himself! Clearly he is a competent engineer and CTO.

My remarks on (in)competence was specific to running their business vis-a-vis, planning, execution, and communication.

As a historical comparison, Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla were contemporaries of each other. As a matter of fact, Tesla worked for Edison. Edison did not invent the light bulb, but he "merely" perfected it. Maybe Edison wasn't as technically smart as Tesla. But he built a very successful business which became GE. Tesla (Nikola), on the other hand, failed in his businesses after he left Edison's Labs, and Tesla died a poor and broken man.

If Lucid were to survive, it needs to be run like a business.

I don’t disagree with anything you said, except that you seem very set on asserting that Lucid isn’t “being run like a business,” without the requisite context to know whether or not that’s actually true.

This is why being an armchair CEO is easy.

 

[msaunders9430]

@hmp10 if I recall correctly you live in or near Miami.

I found this on the Lucid Owners Club FB page.
If I'm understanding the post correctly, this shop (First Class Autosports, in South Miami near U of M) claims to have a Gravity.

Sounds fishy to me.
Consider looking into it maybe?
Here's the FB link: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1ESL9kXoK5/

 

[RD7]

It's really easy to get carried away by the enthusiasm Lucid has for Gravity. I understand that - optimism is easy and natural. My personal opinion is that it's more about rampant enthusiasm than intentional misrepresentation. Companies are always under pressure to deliver and it is very hard to be practical with schedules in a high-pressure environment. I've been there. A lot.

While I would not call this a "crisis," there are management lessons to be learned from companies that have faced even more serious and consequential situations. You may be old enough to remember the Tylenol poisonings in the 1980s. At the time Tylenol was a significant revenue source for J&J and some thought this would cripple the company. Instead, they emerged from this crisis even stronger and the lessons learned are considered textbook examples of crisis management. A very quick summary of the lessons learned:

5 Crisis Management Truths from the Tylenol Murders

• Be forthcoming and honest.
• Act quickly and decisively.
• Take responsibility, even if you don't have to.
• Treat people with respect.
• Good behavior pays dividends.

I've applied these lessons many times throughout my career, and most of the time it is effective (and 100% of the time better than silence and/or denial.) Lucid would be wise to put these ideas into action.

 

[RD7]

@hmp10 if I recall correctly you live in or near Miami.

I found this on the Lucid Owners Club FB page.
If I'm understanding the post correctly, this shop (First Class Autosports, in South Miami near U of M) claims to have a Gravity.

Sounds fishy to me.
Consider looking into it maybe?
Here's the FB link: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1ESL9kXoK5/


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Might be the unit that showed up in Legas a while back. Same colors and has the HUD installed.

 

[msaunders9430]

Might be the unit that showed up in Legas a while back. Same colors and has the HUD installed.

I'm thinking it's a prototype.
Which basically is what was in Legas.

Wouldn't imagine a body shop is also an early reviewer.

 

[hmp10]

@hmp10 if I recall correctly you live in or near Miami.

I found this on the Lucid Owners Club FB page.
If I'm understanding the post correctly, this shop (First Class Autosports, in South Miami near U of M) claims to have a Gravity.

Sounds fishy to me.
Consider looking into it maybe?
Here's the FB link: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1ESL9kXoK5/


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I live in Naples on the opposite coast of Florida from Miami. I think the phrase, "Thank you to Lucid headquarter for bringing by this amazing vehicle", suggests this is just a Gravity they are being shown, perhaps to check out or even prepare templates for wrapping them once deliveries start.

The Miami Worldcenter Lucid showroom is scheduled to put a prototype Gravity back on display for a few days starting tomorrow, February 22. I suspect this might be that car.