Gravity Orders Discussion

Agree. Our first EV was a 2015 Tesla Model S that, except for the addition of a second motor, was pretty much the car that Rawlinson had engineered. Our second Tesla, a 2021 Model S, incorporated a slew of changes implemented after Rawlinson left Tesla.

In so many ways, the first Tesla was better. Its coil spring suspension was both more compliant and precise than the second one's air suspension. The fit and finish was better in the first car. The ergonomics of its control suite were considerably better, having a stalk for selecting gears, a proper horn button, manual air vents, the ability to read owner USB sticks, etc.

I take Rawlinson seriously when he says the Air is the car he would have developed at Tesla if he had had the time and money to do it right . . . and had he been able to re-engineer the body shell that had been locked in before his arrival. Having owned a Tesla in which Rawlinson's influence was heavy and now one in which his influence has long-since faded, I much prefer the former. Perhaps that's why I'm such a hard-over Lucid fan these days.
Watching that video really shows how Tesla has changed and why I am so excited for Lucid. I love hearing the little things they've done that pushed the boundaries. It is so hilarious to hear him talk about all the space saving and efficiences, and that's exactly what I feel have been lost on future renditions. It really does feel like the Air was the evolution of his model s and I am all for it.
 
When the Air was first released, everything was standard and that drove the price up. There were literally no options… Just pick your color and your wheel size, and even all of those were not at any extra cost. People then argued that they wished that some of the items would be optional to bring the base price down. It seems that’s what they did on Gravity. I, for example, really don’t use Dream Drive Pro very much and could do without it. Had it been an option, I would’ve saved thousands of dollars. I think that’s why the established auto makers all have option lists that are quite long. Try to configure a Porsche… You’ll be shocked at how much you can add to the price in options. But, you certainly can’t have it both ways. Either lots of options, or a higher price. I agree with what they have done to keep the base price far lower than the competition from Mercedes, Range Rover, Cadillac, and Volvo.
And then you have Rivian that offers some options on a trial basis. Their Autonomy Platform+ provides ADAS features as standard thru 2024.
Not sure if buyers know at the time of purchase, which features remain standard after the trial period.

If I recall correctly, some buyers of the Air were offered trial versions of SSP and DDPre.
I suppose the trials were offered through a sales advisor since it's not mentioned in the online configurator.
Perhaps the same will be done with the Gravity.
SSP and DDPre reduce the price $4400 alone.

The Gravity configurator doesn't show what, if any features are provided without the Handling, Technology, and C&C feature packages.
Perhaps nothing.
It would be nice if w/o the feature packages, you still get some of the features like basic (?) air suspension, HUD, soft-close doors.
The Towing package is a little different. You either want the hardware or you don't.
Something other than all or nothing would be nice.
Otherwise, deal with "FOMO", like me, and pay the bucks. :)
 
And yet to not be showing any features in the "without" area of the three packages now, would be misleading to those who have already ordered.
So probably all or nothing are the choices.
 
I agree with what they have done to keep the base price far lower than the competition from Mercedes, Range Rover, Cadillac, and Volvo.
I think the Cadillac Vistiq and Volvo EX90 are both cheaper than the Lucid equally equipped. EQS and Range Rover are not competitors since they are too small imo. EQS 3rd row is like Model Y sized. Amputated legs only 🤣
 
I hope I’m not being too optimistic here in expecting the delivery of gravity by year end. Not only to admire the beauty of the gravity in person but also for the tax benefits.
 
I think the Cadillac Vistiq and Volvo EX90 are both cheaper than the Lucid equally equipped. EQS and Range Rover are not competitors since they are too small imo. EQS 3rd row is like Model Y sized. Amputated legs only 🤣
Vistiq is expected to be about $79k base and go from there.
EX90 starts at $80k and goes to $100k or over depending on equipment.
EQS and Range directly compete, especially for those who will seldom use a third row or order without.
EQS starts at $100k and easily goes well over $200k for the Maybach. Range Rover will be $120k to $160k or more.
 
I’m saying Merc S class…BMW i7, Lucid quality is very good, but not at those levels. Lucid advertised as “post-luxury”….they shouldn’t have stressed that much on luxury, engineering is very Lucid surpasses the Germans.
We understand what you’re saying; I think we just disagree. It’s not confusion; just disagreement.

My wife and I test drive an EQS (both AMG and not) and an i7.

She hated the EQS because it was far, far too much, and had “too much chrome.” (Her words, not mine)

The i7 was OK, but the materials all felt like “old luxury” rather than “modern luxury.” That is to say, she felt like her grandpa would have loved it. But she’s not her grandpa.

We both fell in love with the luxury of the Lucid. It isn’t trying to be luxury; it just is.

We can disagree on that. That’s okay.

But it isn’t confusion. We just disagree. I would not buy an i7 or an EQS if you gave them to me at 20% off; I’d still pick the Lucid, largely in part due to the materials and interior design.
 
My wife and I test drive an EQS (both AMG and not) and an i7.

She hated the EQS because it was far, far too much, and had “too much chrome.” (Her words, not mine)
I would agree with you, but the EQS is not equal to an actual S class from a quality and materials perspective. Bad move from Mercedes to cheapen the EQ line imo
 
I would agree with you, but the EQS is not equal to an actual S class from a quality and materials perspective. Bad move from Mercedes to cheapen the EQ line imo
Okay, but now we’re splitting hairs. I think the point stands. It’s okay if you or anyone else prefers Mercedes-style luxury. I just happen not to. And that’s ok!
 
Okay, but now we’re splitting hairs. I think the point stands. It’s okay if you or anyone else prefers Mercedes-style luxury. I just happen not to. And that’s ok!
Again I don't disagree with you, i prefer Lucid's modern luxury styling over Mercedes's screen and chrome heavy design.

I just do wish the Air and to the extent of this thread the Gravity, had more stand-out luxury "features". Again, look at the S-class, or the Escalade. Executive and ventilated seating for the rear, automatic doors, power-operated 2nd and 3rd row adjustments, captains chairs, heated neck-rest and arm-rests. For the Air/Gravity to focus so heavily on space for adults in the 2nd/3rd row, they should hype that! I think prototypes for the Air and Gravity had a lot more of that cool factor, but then removed it in the production releases.
 
Been waiting 86,400x14 for Lucid @9.81 m/sec2 to give an update and still waiting. Don’t know how much more longer would it be before an update. 🤯😔
 
Again I don't disagree with you, i prefer Lucid's modern luxury styling over Mercedes's screen and chrome heavy design.

I just do wish the Air and to the extent of this thread the Gravity, had more stand-out luxury "features". Again, look at the S-class, or the Escalade. Executive and ventilated seating for the rear, automatic doors, power-operated 2nd and 3rd row adjustments, captains chairs, heated neck-rest and arm-rests. For the Air/Gravity to focus so heavily on space for adults in the 2nd/3rd row, they should hype that! I think prototypes for the Air and Gravity had a lot more of that cool factor, but then removed it in the production releases.
Yea, but you either go max lux or go for efficiency and Lucid chose the latter route. All that cool stuff costs space and weight
 
Hyundai Ioniq 9 just dropped- 330 mile range max range- but that is for the single motor lower powerful model. Lucid Gravity has it easily beaten.

The ioniq 9 performance is 422bhp with 300 mile range- this will cost 80k I'm guessing. I would easily pay 20k more for the Gravity Touring with all options.

I saw an Out-of-spec review of this yesterday. It's Hyundai's version of an R1S. The interior has some nice elements and a good overall design, but the exterior styling is gimmicky and seems unfinished. Hyundai makes a solid vehicle, but the software is weak (route planning software is useless). It's nice to see it come with NCAS. Given the 7-seat configuration it will inevitably be compared to Gravity, but it's not really in the same class. Of course, it all depends on how de-contented the Touring ends up being.
 
I saw an Out-of-spec review of this yesterday. It's Hyundai's version of an R1S. The interior has some nice elements and a good overall design, but the exterior styling is gimmicky and seems unfinished. Hyundai makes a solid vehicle, but the software is weak (route planning software is useless). It's nice to see it come with NCAS. Given the 7-seat configuration it will inevitably be compared to Gravity, but it's not really in the same class. Of course, it all depends on how de-contented the Touring ends up being.

Wow, that thing is so ugly. Inside and out. I am so not interested.
 
but the exterior styling is gimmicky and seems unfinished.
I think there are 2 types of exterior designs that sell well

1. Rugged/Outdoorsy boxy aggro styling ( Rivian, 4Runner, GX, to some extent maybe EV9)
2. Sporty/sleek styling (Cayenne, Gravity, X5/X6)

But this Ioniq 9 is a big miss imo. It’s too soft and round. Big departure from the ioniq 5 styling.
 
Wow, that thing is so ugly. Inside and out. I am so not interested.
Agreed!

I don't see any suv that looks as good as the Gravity. Add in the projected range, technology, and features; I'm sold.
However, from reading various posts on different forums, potential buyers often have to prioritize price and time of need over factors such as range, technology, and looks.
I get it, especially if there are child-related expenses to consider.

Fortunately, I don't need a new car now. The Gravity will be a birthday present to myself next year ... I hope.
If I did need a car now, I'd probably choose the Ioniq 9 over a R1S, Lyriq/Vistiq, EQS, etc. purely on looks alone.
I could bear looking at it over the "eyes" of an R1S, the reputation of GMC, and the EQS bubble.
Despite range, technology, price, etc. I just have to at least like how my car looks.
 
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