Gravity Orders Discussion

[bb2e]

Do I need the Dynamic Handling Package to be able to increase ground clearance ?
Are lease terms to be determined at time of delivery ?

 

[Adnillien]

Do I need the Dynamic Handling Package to be able to increase ground clearance ?
Are lease terms to be determined at time of delivery ?

My understanding is that you need the Dynamic Handling Package to get the increased ground clearance but the configurator is not clear about the suspension without this package.

 

[Batteryman]

What do you want it compared to? A Toyota!

It’s starts at $70K and goes right up to $250K it’s a performance luxury car. It certainly competes with the likes of Mercedes, Porsche, Audi, BMW, etc.

When you talk about worldwide, you do realize Lucid isn’t selling in all worldwide markets yet compared to its competition.

I agree, it’s the best car I’ve ever owned also but until they get the mid-market model out they’re simply not going to be moving the Air or Gravity in massive quantities. They’re not mass market models.

Lucid has done many videos showing off the tech via the Tech Talk series, even the recent Sandy Munro series but you think the luxury market is small well the engineering / tech nerds who care about the motor, the bms, the charging speed etc is even smaller.

Also kind of getting sick of people saying Lucid only sold the car due to incentives. Guess what, everyone is doing incentives in some shape or form at the moment, including Tesla. Let’s not sit here and say Lucid are the only ones doing incentives while the rest of the auto world is moving vehicles just fine.

Disagree, the Air luxury is not up to Mercedes levels. They should have stressed on the engineering aspects. And who goes online and sees those tech videos? Maybe Lucid fanboys and those into engineering.

The fact that a majority of the country don’t know this company exists, and the very poor sales of 7k worldwide- meaning real numbers even less in US, in their 4th year of production of a car that has won many awards, rightfully so, shows you a complete lack of marketing acumen. Don’t know who is running marketing but unless they get their act together, Gravity may have the same fate. These SUV’s should be out there at showrooms, in reviewers hands by now. Not sure why the delay but this is why they get paid the big bucks. You may say , well Lucid said 4th quarter….but that doesn’t mean you deliver 1 vehicle and say we did it. You want company to flourish…you want all this talk about bankruptcy to go away, then deliver more than you promise! Not being an armchair CEO, this is reality what the market feels- and that’s why stock is at $2, more than 50% below what is was during the Gravity reveal, and now, on the cusp of production of this very same vehicle….when their should be euphoria, there is negativity.

Marketing just sucks. Even Peter admitted that.

 

[hmp10]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Tesla has EVER gone into a paid auto show anywhere in the world. Not saying right or wrong for Lucid but just providing (hopefully historically accurate) context.

Tesla debuted the original Model S at the 2011 Los Angeles Auto Show. In fact, Peter Rawlinson was on the podium introducing it. (You know, the guy Musk later claimed was nothing but a mid-tier chassis engineer.)

 

[hmp10]

Ojai is beautiful, and Lucid uses good leather.

I notice that Lucid does not show the leathers on the Gravity as being "Nappa leather" as they did on the Air. Is that a web design oversight, or has something changed?

 

[hmp10]

Disagree, the Air luxury is not up to Mercedes levels.

This is a tricky one. I've owned several upper-tier Mercedes, but it's been a few years. The Air interior is more restrained than a current Mercedes interior (thank God), but I find the materials quality on par, if not better. The Nappa leather in our Air Dream is wearing beautifully, the open-pore eucalyptus wood trim is gorgeous to behold and touch, the use of chrome is tasteful instead of glitzy, even the wool and leather floormats are first class. And the Air's seat massagers are top of the heap.

Switchgear is an iffier proposition. By and large the Air's is on par with anything I've seen in German luxury cars -- with the exception of the toggle switch panel above the Pilot Screen and the two rotary switches on the steering wheel. On the other hand, the window switches, door triggers, sunshade operation is as good as I've seen anywhere. There's a bigger disconnect in the tactile quality of those toggle and rotary switches and the rest of the car's switchgear as I've ever seen in a single car.

To my mind, Mercedes has gone too much down the path of gangsta bling in their recent offerings, the EQS being a prime example of a seriously overcooked interior.

 

[Batteryman]

This is a tricky one. I've owned several upper-tier Mercedes, but it's been a few years. The Air interior is more restrained than a current Mercedes interior (thank God), but I find the materials quality on par, if not better. The Nappa leather in our Air Dream is wearing beautifully, the open-pore eucalyptus wood trim is gorgeous to behold and touch, the use of chrome is tasteful instead of glitzy, even the wool and leather floormats are first class. And the Air's seat massagers are top of the heap.

Switchgear is an iffier proposition. By and large the Air's is on par with anything I've seen in German luxury cars -- with the exception of the toggle switch panel above the Pilot Screen and the two rotary switches on the steering wheel. On the other hand, the window switches, door triggers, sunshade operation is as good as I've seen anywhere. There's a bigger disconnect in the tactile quality of those toggle and rotary switches and the rest of the car's switchgear as I've ever seen in a single car.

To my mind, Mercedes has gone too much down the path of gangsta bling in their recent offerings, the EQS being a prime example of a seriously overcooked interior.

I’m saying Merc S class…BMW i7, Lucid quality is very good, but not at those levels. Lucid advertised as “post-luxury”….they shouldn’t have stressed that much on luxury, engineering is very Lucid surpasses the Germans.

 

[hmp10]

I’m saying Merc S class…BMW i7, Lucid quality is very good, but not at those levels.

Some reviewers have commented on the pierced metal speaker covers on the BMW i7 doors that can take the skin off knuckles if you accidentally brush them when opening or closing doors.

I had a Mercedes SL55 SMG in which the seat heaters failed, the gear shift lever linkage came loose, a window motor failed, and a trunk seal leaked -- all within the first two years. (Then there were the mechanical and electronic issues with the brake-by-wire system, alternators that blew twice, etc.) I have not owned a Mercedes since.

I know it's anecdotal, but I just haven't been impressed with Mercedes quality.

 

[Batteryman]

Some reviewers have commented on the pierced metal speaker covers on the BMW i7 doors that can take the skin off knuckles if you accidentally brush them when opening or closing doors.

I had a Mercedes SL55 SMG in which the seat heaters failed, the gear shift lever linkage came loose, a window motor failed, and a trunk seal leaked -- all within the first two years. (Then there were the mechanical and electronic issues with the brake-by-wire system, alternators that blew twice, etc.) I have not owned a Mercedes since.

I know it's anecdotal, but I just haven't been impressed with Mercedes quality.

Actually what I meant was feel of materials. Not reliability. You sit in an i7 or S class and it’s on another level. Of course, reliability is another issue . My Lucid has been excellent

This is a tricky one. I've owned several upper-tier Mercedes, but it's been a few years. The Air interior is more restrained than a current Mercedes interior (thank God), but I find the materials quality on par, if not better. The Nappa leather in our Air Dream is wearing beautifully, the open-pore eucalyptus wood trim is gorgeous to behold and touch, the use of chrome is tasteful instead of glitzy, even the wool and leather floormats are first class. And the Air's seat massagers are top of the heap.

Switchgear is an iffier proposition. By and large the Air's is on par with anything I've seen in German luxury cars -- with the exception of the toggle switch panel above the Pilot Screen and the two rotary switches on the steering wheel. On the other hand, the window switches, door triggers, sunshade operation is as good as I've seen anywhere. There's a bigger disconnect in the tactile quality of those toggle and rotary switches and the rest of the car's switchgear as I've ever seen in a single car.

To my mind, Mercedes has gone too much down the path of gangsta bling in their recent offerings, the EQS being a prime example of a seriously overcooked interior.

They should have invested more on touch points- door handle, stalks, toggle switches. Doesn’t cost much more but elevates perception of quality significantly. And that key fob! Glad they fixed it with Gravity.

 

[Gravitas]

Tesla debuted the original Model S at the 2011 Los Angeles Auto Show. In fact, Peter Rawlinson was on the podium introducing it. (You know, the guy Musk later claimed was nothing but a mid-tier chassis engineer.)

Here's is Peter "in-house" Rawlinson introducing Model S to the masses at 2011 Detroit Auto Show.

 

[Batteryman]

Hope this is a rumor and not true….Lucid should debunk this if not the case. Anyone hear anything?

https://****************.com/lucid/exclusive-lucid-to-start-gravity-deliveries-in-2025/

 

[joec]

Hope this is a rumor and not true….Lucid should debunk this if not the case. Anyone hear anything?

https://****************.com/lucid/exclusive-lucid-to-start-gravity-deliveries-in-2025/

Given there's only a month left in 2024, I'd say it's likely deliveries will begin, at least in earnest, in 2025. January 2025, to be more precise.

There may still be a few delivered at the end of December, at some sort of special event, just to have a big splash. But Lucid has pretty much always planned to start shipping in volume at the start of 2025.

As far as I can tell, this source (electric-vehicles) is a click-bait rag that shouldn't be trusted for the most part.

 

[HC_79]

Given there's only a month left in 2024, I'd say it's likely deliveries will begin, at least in earnest, in 2025. January 2025, to be more precise.

There may still be a few delivered at the end of December, at some sort of special event, just to have a big splash. But Lucid has pretty much always planned to start shipping in volume at the start of 2025.

As far as I can tell, this source (electric-vehicles) is a click-bait rag that shouldn't be trusted for the most part.

I have a similar feeling that a handful will be delivered in late December with a ramp up happening in January.

Also, not sure how many people should be relying on an EV site for accurate news when they can't even get the critical word spelt right in their domain name (****************.com)

 

[bb2e]

My understanding is that you need the Dynamic Handling Package to get the increased ground clearance but the configurator is not clear about the suspension without this package.

That's at least what it appears of course as you point out, the base features are omitted. Amazing amount of non-standard extra options for a higher level trim. I'll post back if I can get an answer from Lucid.

 

[illopp00]

This is a tricky one. I've owned several upper-tier Mercedes, but it's been a few years. The Air interior is more restrained than a current Mercedes interior (thank God), but I find the materials quality on par, if not better. The Nappa leather in our Air Dream is wearing beautifully, the open-pore eucalyptus wood trim is gorgeous to behold and touch, the use of chrome is tasteful instead of glitzy, even the wool and leather floormats are first class. And the Air's seat massagers are top of the heap.

Switchgear is an iffier proposition. By and large the Air's is on par with anything I've seen in German luxury cars -- with the exception of the toggle switch panel above the Pilot Screen and the two rotary switches on the steering wheel. On the other hand, the window switches, door triggers, sunshade operation is as good as I've seen anywhere. There's a bigger disconnect in the tactile quality of those toggle and rotary switches and the rest of the car's switchgear as I've ever seen in a single car.

To my mind, Mercedes has gone too much down the path of gangsta bling in their recent offerings, the EQS being a prime example of a seriously overcooked interior.

I have banned all vehicles with Piano black plastic from my shopping lists

 

[illopp00]

Here's is Peter "in-house" Rawlinson introducing Model S to the masses at 2011 Detroit Auto Show.

This sounds pretty much like all the current Lucid marketing about technology and etc.,...Seems to have worked out for Tesla in the long run, their product worked brilliantly with little conventional marketing, the word of mouth effect was substantial. Much more crowded market these days on top of negativity with the EV narratives...

 

[hmp10]

Actually what I meant was feel of materials. Not reliability. You sit in an i7 or S class and it’s on another level.

I think this is somewhat subjective. To me, the interiors of the upper-tier Mercedes and BMW cars have gone more for the plush lounge sofa look of late with their tufted leather upholstery, pillowy headrest cushions, piano black lacquer, and profusion of chrome brightwork. I find the less "fluffy" lines of the Air's Nappa leather, the clean transitions from leather to alpaca wool blends to Alcantara, the relative paucity of brightwork to be more luxurious.

When I look at S-Class and 7 Series cars today, I almost feel like I'm looking at an updated version of a 1980's Chrysler New Yorker, although admittedly using better materials.

I used to love the Teutonic vibe of German auto interiors, with relatively plain surfaces on seats that were brilliantly engineered ergonomically, with switchgear that felt like a Swiss watch and was intuitive to use, and with details that always connoted more attention to function than form. (Remember the days not too long in the past when Mercedes outside rearview mirrors were different sizes in order to optimize their utility to the driver, and the passenger-side mirror was adjustable electrically while the driver-side mirror was manual only because the driver didn't need to reach across the car to adjust his side?)

 

[joec]

I think this is somewhat subjective. To me, the interiors of the upper-tier Mercedes and BMW cars have gone more for the plush lounge sofa look of late with their tufted leather upholstery, pillowy headrest cushions, piano black lacquer, and profusion of chrome brightwork. I find the less "fluffy" lines of the Air's Nappa leather, the clean transitions from leather to alpaca wool blends to Alcantara, the relative paucity of brightwork to be more luxurious.

When I look at S-Class and 7 Series cars today, I almost feel like I'm looking at an updated version of a 1980's Chrysler New Yorker, although admittedly using better materials.

I used to love the Teutonic vibe of German auto interiors, with relatively plain surfaces on seats that were brilliantly engineered ergonomically, with switchgear that felt like a Swiss watch and was intuitive to use, and with details that always connoted more attention to function than form. (Remember the days not too long in the past when Mercedes outside rearview mirrors were different sizes in order to optimize their utility to the driver, and the passenger-size mirror was adjustable electrically while the driver-side mirror was manual only because the driver didn't need to reach across the car to adjust his side?)

Agreed. I'll take Scandinavian minimalism over the "posh" look and feel every time. And the German brands have most definitely been moving in the posh direction of late. At least Mercedes and BMW. Porsche and Audi maybe not as much.

 

[hmp10]

This sounds pretty much like all the current Lucid marketing about technology and etc . . . .

Agree. Our first EV was a 2015 Tesla Model S that, except for the addition of a second motor, was pretty much the car that Rawlinson had engineered. Our second Tesla, a 2021 Model S, incorporated a slew of changes implemented after Rawlinson left Tesla.

In so many ways, the first Tesla was better. Its coil spring suspension was both more compliant and precise than the second one's air suspension. The fit and finish was better in the first car. The ergonomics of its control suite were considerably better, having a stalk for selecting gears, a proper horn button, manual air vents, the ability to read owner USB sticks, etc.

I take Rawlinson seriously when he says the Air is the car he would have developed at Tesla if he had had the time and money to do it right . . . and had he been able to re-engineer the body shell that had been locked in before his arrival. Having owned a Tesla in which Rawlinson's influence was heavy and now one in which his influence has long-since faded, I much prefer the former. Perhaps that's why I'm such a hard-over Lucid fan these days.

 

[Bobby]

That's at least what it appears of course as you point out, the base features are omitted. Amazing amount of non-standard extra options for a higher level trim. I'll post back if I can get an answer from Lucid.

When the Air was first released, everything was standard and that drove the price up. There were literally no options… Just pick your color and your wheel size, and even all of those were not at any extra cost. People then argued that they wished that some of the items would be optional to bring the base price down. It seems that’s what they did on Gravity. I, for example, really don’t use Dream Drive Pro very much and could do without it. Had it been an option, I would’ve saved thousands of dollars. I think that’s why the established auto makers all have option lists that are quite long. Try to configure a Porsche… You’ll be shocked at how much you can add to the price in options. But, you certainly can’t have it both ways. Either lots of options, or a higher price. I agree with what they have done to keep the base price far lower than the competition from Mercedes, Range Rover, Cadillac, and Volvo.