Gravity Delivery Discussion

[Bobby]

Brave new world order unfolding real-time. Being relegated to a tier-two country I guess this is our “find out” phase.

Well they do own 3/4 of the company. And without them Lucid would be gone by now.

 

[BS8899]

Well they do own 3/4 of the company. And without them Lucid would be gone by now.

Reality, what a concept! (the late Robin Williams)

 

[pyle112]

Is this a thread about Gravity deliveries?

Region agnostic

 

[ChestRockwell]

Is this a thread about Gravity deliveries?

It was supposed to be, the vibes are terrible

 

[pyle112]

Idle hands. This was supposed to be/still will be delivery photos. Hoping it comes soon.

 

[hmp10]

Is this a thread about Gravity deliveries?

Well, as the thread is now 20 pages long but there are still no significant Gravity deliveries to speak of or even timelines for deliveries known, are you really surprised?

 

[Blue Lectroid]

One thing not mentioned here often enough is the need to change to NACS less than 12 months from launch. I am sure that caused a lot of unanticipated delays. It changes body panels, electrical architecture, cooling system architecture, charging architecture…

For those here constantly complaining about the delays, would you prefer your brand new Gravity shipped with CCS? Then it could have shipped right on time…and be obsolete.

 

[Knucklehead]

It was supposed to be, the vibes are terrible

I think everyone is frustrated that "real" production has not started yet. At least there are no signs it has. When @Adnillien starts posting video of Gravities popping out of the building, people will get excited and more positive. Proof of life is important.

 

[hmp10]

One thing not mentioned here often enough is the need to change to NACS less than 12 months from launch. I am sure that caused a lot of unanticipated delays. It changes body panels, electrical architecture, cooling system architecture, charging architecture…

For those here constantly complaining about the delays, would you prefer your brand new Gravity shipped with CCS? Then it could have shipped right on time…and be obsolete.

I do still agree that Lucid should take whatever time is necessary to deliver well-built and fully-operational Gravities, frustrating as it may be.

In fairness though, if you define "launch" as the delivery event on December 30, it came almost 14 months after announcing NACS on November 6, 2023. And I'm sure some work had already been done on using the NACS standard before that. In fact, as recent posts on this forum indicated, Lucid filed the patent for using the rear motor to boost voltage for matching high-voltage chargers in December 2019 (https://lucidowners.com/threads/gra...-for-fast-charging-from-500v-chargers.11746/_).

In any case, unless the December 30 deliveries weren't really production vehicles, then the NACS work was done by then. That was almost three months ago, and the announced next production moves -- getting a limited number of production units to the press and to the studios for test drives -- still haven't become apparent. At this point, Lucid is still depending on orders from customers who haven't test driven a Gravity and, in many cases, have not even seen one in the flesh.

Frankly, I'm more worried about the damage to Lucid's reputation from marketing silliness such as "reality-blurring laser light shows" than I am about moving slowly on Gravity deliveries to nail the actual product.

 

[Murcie]

One thing not mentioned here often enough is the need to change to NACS less than 12 months from launch. I am sure that caused a lot of unanticipated delays. It changes body panels, electrical architecture, cooling system architecture, charging architecture…

For those here constantly complaining about the delays, would you prefer your brand new Gravity shipped with CCS? Then it could have shipped right on time…and be obsolete.

Didn’t I say the same exact thing just a few comments ago?!

What if it’s none of that, and the delay in the US is caused by the only thing that’s different from non-US models; NACS? They can’t deliver a car to customers if L3 charging doesn’t reliably work, and they have more experience with CCS, so the Saudi model is ready to go.
I’m starting to think this might be the reason for pushing the Saudi market and opening orders for the Touring there.

 

[Batteryman]

What makes this even worse was how Peter "poked the bear" and teased Musk about Lucid not experiencing production hell. Not only did he gain the ire of Musk, which I'm sure led to Lucid getting charger specs much later than other manufacturers, and probably other methods Musk found to punish Lucid, but worse, Rawlinson got shown the door because obviously Lucid was in PRODUCTION HELL.

I can't help but wonder though, how much of that production hell was brought on by Musk. Musk is a very vindictive person. Though Rawlinson may have been right about everything he ever said about Tesla and Musk, there was nothing to gain by voicing those thoughts publicly. Rawlinson is (at least he was) a very confident person who let hubris cloud his judgement. Surely he knew that Musk could have influence even on things not directly in his control. You think if Tesla and Lucid shared a common supplier that Musk didn't put extreme pressure on that supplier to not supply Lucid? I'm sure Musk pulled every string he could to hurt Rawlinson.

One can only hope that since Rawlinson is gone that Musk will ease up. Heck, I'm hoping the new CEO is friends with Musk. Can't possibly hurt.

Makes sense….

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Didn’t I say the same exact thing just a few comments ago?!

You said something similar, yes!

 

[pyle112]

Do you think those first 9 deliveries signed nda's and that's why no one has posted pics?

 

[AirDoll]

Do you think those first 9 deliveries signed nda's and that's why no one has posted pics?

It’s already been posted somewhere on the forum…….it’s not an NDA, they just don’t want to be inundated with questions and comments. They’d rather stay out of the incessant discussion and just enjoy their Gravity’s. I’d also imagine some of the owners aren’t even on the forum or social media.

 

[victoryroad]

I understand the frustration of those who are awaiting delivery, but believe that it is better for Lucid to be deliberate on Gravity than to start deliveries prematurely. I do not know what explanations Lucid has offered for the delay. I have not ordered a Gravity but based on reports so far it will be a superior vehicle.

 

[illopp00]

Again, it's a new car with lots of new tech and innovations, and at this point low volume estimates. Here are some things I can think of based on putting pieces together slowing down supply

Glass Roof
Battery Cells
Big Wheels and Tires
1000V NACs to CCS adaptor, 1000V CCS to NACs adaptor, Lucid EVSE with NACS plug.

Lots of well documented QC issues with adaptors in the industry in general.

 

[hs22]

Saw a black Gravity in Fremont this weekend. If all the original delivered were in Aurora Green it could mean that there is a trickle but still to employees.

PS: Here is the Gravity initial delivery video and it appears they were all green but they didn't focus on each vehicle.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873858864787185839

 

[hmp10]

Saw a black Gravity in Fremont this weekend. If all the original delivered were in Aurora Green it could mean that there is a trickle but still to employees.

PS: Here is the Gravity initial delivery video and it appears they were all green but they didn't focus on each vehicle.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873858864787185839

I think someone posted earlier that all the December 30 deliveries were Aurora Green with the 22/23" wheels.

Someone posted a YouTube Short last week of a green Gravity with the Yosemite interior and the 20/21" wheels with the aero blades removed. The color of the brake calipers also indicated it didn't have the handling package with rear-wheel steering. They didn't say where the shot was taken, however, although it looked to be in a residential neighborhood.

So there may be a few Gravities making their way into the wild. But, as near as I can tell, no one driving them has shown up anywhere on the internet or social media to talk about them.

Did you notice anything else about the black Gravity? Wheels, interior color . . . .

 

[hs22]

I think someone posted earlier that all the December 30 deliveries were Aurora Green with the 22/23" wheels.

Someone posted a YouTube Short last week of a green Gravity with the Yosemite interior and the 20/21" wheels with the aero blades removed. The color of the brake calipers also indicated it didn't have the handling package with rear-wheel steering. They didn't say where the shot was taken, however, although it looked to be in a residential neighborhood.

So there may be a few Gravities making their way into the wild. But, as near as I can tell, no one driving them has shown up anywhere on the internet or social media to talk about them.

Did you notice anything else about the black Gravity? Wheels, interior color . . . .

So I have spotted one that's not one of the original.

I first saw it in rear mirror and I was just taking in how it looks. Not like a minivan from that profile

It pulled up next to me but I didn't want to be gawking at it and making the owner uncomfortable. Sorry I don't have further details.

 

[WeighingGravity]

Moving a product as big and complex as an automobile from design to manufacturing is a massive undertaking. There is tons to be done to stand vendors up, do PPAPs and first article stuff, and in automotive I am sure there is a need to do far more comprehensive validation and verification, crash testing, etc. On this forum, I saw just recently it looked like there was a new door "latching" system ostensibly for crash testing that wasn't on earlier prototypes - that's the kind of thing that might take days to design but then require months to implement. It's awesome that this car will have amazing tech and features in everything from performance to safety to comfort to efficiency, but every time a project moves back into engineering phase, it creates new tasks that may well impact the critical path.

This is all pretty predictable stuff for anyone who has managed the development of physical products before. You have to make the engineers put their pencils down eventually so that the next phase of the project can get started. I think what's frustrating for some (well, for me at least) is that all this should have been known. I've never been able to make a project speed up and gain time in the manufacturing transfer stage. My guess is that at Lucid, a very engineering-driven firm, making the design better and better on paper might have been an irresistible temptation. And then perhaps they weren't honest with themselves, or forthcoming with the public, or both, about how long it takes to turn CAD into reality. And I think that's why we don't have any Gravities yet.

All speculation of course.....