EA Megathread

[Tim-in-CA]

Oops … unintended consequences.

 

[ViperSSD]

Oops … unintended consequences.

I just tell all my fans to use their inside voices and haven't had a problem

 

[HC_79]

Way too many first-time EV buyers still understand nothing about voltage and charging speed

This is a big problem also and not just the fault of first time EV buyers but it falls squarely on EA as well. Is the congestion happening with all chargers delivering the correct power? Just because a charger is "working" doesn't mean its meeting the requirements of what the car is capable of. I've pulled into EA stations where 35kWh is being delivered with 15% SoC which we all know it WAY under what the car can receive at that level of SoC. It therefore starts a ripple effect of cars charging slower, taking longer, lines build up. I think EA limiting to 85% is a step in the right direction (for now) to try and avoid people hogging chargers BUT how much congestion is happening because the chargers are power limited also?

If they're still adamant on only building sites with 6 to 8 chargers then they also need to have a better design layout. Each charger should have 2 spots assigned to it. One for the person charging and one for the person waiting. At the moment it's a hot mess on who's waiting etc. Now if they were REALLY smart they could take the data in realtime from the charger and actually do a queue management system. Eg: Take the car that has the highest SoC at the charger and tell the person coming in to wait in the spot for that charger to free up. EA can't even get the charger status to be accurate so we all know anything beyond that is a pipe dream though. The Mercedes charging is a perfect example of how this can be done though.

 

[DeaneG]

A new version of EA's app give info about reduced-power charging stations:

Electrify America Updates App, Gets More Transparent About Reduced Power - CleanTechnica

Sign up for daily news updates from CleanTechnica on email. Or follow us on Google News! Electrify America recently announced an update to the company’s app for both Android and Apple devices. Now, the goal is to get everyone to install the update: New updates to the Electrify America mobile...

cleantechnica.com

 

[HariK]

Yesterday when the app mentioned reduced power, it was the best I saw at that station at that soc in a while

 

[nothingemotional]

Newbie here. Just got my lucid pure and was told EA is no longer free and was not being offered since last year? Any input is appreciated thanks!

 

[joec]

Newbie here. Just got my lucid pure and was told EA is no longer free and was not being offered since last year? Any input is appreciated thanks!

Depends on the car you get. Some older cars in inventory still seem to have it.

They were supposed to move away from free EA a while ago, but many here have reported getting it, anyway.

I wouldn’t be surprised if model year 2025 cars do not get it, though.

Like many things with Lucid, it’s not entirely clear.

 

[EVSRCali]

This is a big problem also and not just the fault of first time EV buyers but it falls squarely on EA as well. Is the congestion happening with all chargers delivering the correct power? Just because a charger is "working" doesn't mean its meeting the requirements of what the car is capable of. I've pulled into EA stations where 35kWh is being delivered with 15% SoC which we all know it WAY under what the car can receive at that level of SoC. It therefore starts a ripple effect of cars charging slower, taking longer, lines build up. I think EA limiting to 85% is a step in the right direction (for now) to try and avoid people hogging chargers BUT how much congestion is happening because the chargers are power limited also?

If they're still adamant on only building sites with 6 to 8 chargers then they also need to have a better design layout. Each charger should have 2 spots assigned to it. One for the person charging and one for the person waiting. At the moment it's a hot mess on who's waiting etc. Now if they were REALLY smart they could take the data in realtime from the charger and actually do a queue management system. Eg: Take the car that has the highest SoC at the charger and tell the person coming in to wait in the spot for that charger to free up. EA can't even get the charger status to be accurate so we all know anything beyond that is a pipe dream though. The Mercedes charging is a perfect example of how this can be done though.

I'm just coming back from a road trip from Vegas to the Bay Area. Lucid was pulling 53 kwh on a 30% SOC while Hyundais and Mercedes were pulling 235KW in the stall right next to them at 70% SOC. This is definitely a Lucid problem that needs to be fixed, either software-wise or if there is some other underlying hardware issue for charging.

 

[segbrk]

I'm just coming back from a road trip from Vegas to the Bay Area. Lucid was pulling 53 kwh on a 30% SOC while Hyundais and Mercedes were pulling 235KW in the stall right next to them at 70% SOC. This is definitely a Lucid problem that needs to be fixed, either software-wise or if there is some other underlying hardware issue for charging.

There is no way that's true. No vehicle out there as far as I can tell pulls over 200kW above 50%. Yes Lucid's charging curve is more conservative than some others, but that is just a wild exaggeration.

 

[EVSRCali]

There is no way that's true. No vehicle out there as far as I can tell pulls over 200kW above 50%. Yes Lucid's charging curve is more conservative than some others, but that is just a wild exaggeration.

Will click a picture next time to share. Was super pissed seeing how high they were pulling at a high SOC. They came after i started charging and left much sooner with a higher pull in terms of energy and how quickly they went to 80%.

 

[segbrk]

Will click a picture next time to share. Was super pissed seeing how high they were pulling at a high SOC.

Look up charging curves for the vehicles you saw and you will find that no one has ever seen close to what you said. I can't say you didn't see what you saw, but I'd be more apt to believe the EA screens were broken than those charging speeds were really happening.

That said, your 53kW at 30% SOC is absolutely not normal and almost certainly a station issue rather than a car issue.

 

[EVSRCali]

Look up charging curves for the vehicles you saw and you will find that no one has ever seen close to what you said. I can't say you didn't see what you saw, but I'd be more apt to believe the EA screens were broken than those charging speeds were really happening.

That said, your 53kW at 30% SOC is absolutely not normal and almost certainly a station issue rather than a car issue.

I agree; I could have made a mistake for 70%, but it was pretty noticeable and high. When I pulled out, a Mercedes pulled into the station I was in, and they were pulling 265 kWh to start with, which eliminated the station issue hypothesis; my max at 10% SOC was 178 kWh, and it dropped drastically fast. This was in Barstow CA. After our charging was completed and we pulled out, we waited on purpose to observe. I am quite convinced that Lucid needs to fix something, either a handshake with EA or at least they can have a few "Model" chargers at their headquarters and service center where customers like me can go and have it "Proved" that the technology for charging works as stated. Wonder why there are no high-voltage chargers in Lucid Service centers and Headquarters to showcase the charging tech. I love the car, and it is the best car ever. However, I am not convinced the charging technology and software are as advertised.

 

[coma24]

I'm just coming back from a road trip from Vegas to the Bay Area. Lucid was pulling 53 kwh on a 30% SOC while Hyundais and Mercedes were pulling 235KW in the stall right next to them at 70% SOC. This is definitely a Lucid problem that needs to be fixed, either software-wise or if there is some other underlying hardware issue for charging.

30% SOC should yield around 200kw/h from a capable charger. I'm at 77% SOC as we speak, finishing up a session at a 150kw EA station while working in the back seat (the new home office!), it's pulling 67kw/h.

 

[EVSRCali]

30% SOC should yield around 200kw/h from a capable charger. I'm at 77% SOC as we speak, finishing up a session at a 150kw EA station while working in the back seat (the new home office!), it's pulling 67kw/h.

Glad you have an awesome experience.

 

[Adnillien]

I agree; I could have made a mistake for 70%, but it was pretty noticeable and high. When I pulled out, a Mercedes pulled into the station I was in, and they were pulling 265 kWh to start with, which eliminated the station issue hypothesis; my max at 10% SOC was 178 kWh, and it dropped drastically fast. This was in Barstow CA. After our charging was completed and we pulled out, we waited on purpose to observe. I am quite convinced that Lucid needs to fix something, either a handshake with EA or at least they can have a few "Model" chargers at their headquarters and service center where customers like me can go and have it "Proved" that the technology for charging works as stated. Wonder why there are no high-voltage chargers in Lucid Service centers and Headquarters to showcase the charging tech. I love the car, and it is the best car ever. However, I am not convinced the charging technology and software are as advertised.

Your 53kW charging rate does seem low. How hot out was it? and did you precondition before charging? When the charger is slowing the charge power rather than the car, it is often the cable getting overheated because the coolant circulation in the cable is not working. Most EA chargers have two cables, the cooling problem can affect one cable but not the other. It is sometimes worth training the other cable if it will reach the charge port. Did the car that used the charger after you, also use the same cable?

 

[EVSRCali]

Your 53kW charging rate does seem low. How hot out was it? And did you precondition before charging? When the charger slows the charge power rather than the car, the cable often gets overheated because the coolant circulation in the cable is not working. Most EA chargers have two cables; the cooling problem can affect one cable but not the other. It is sometimes worth training the other cable if it will reach the charge port. Did the car that used the charger after you also use the same cable?

The Car was on Auto preconditioned as we drove from Vegas to Barstow, CA. Yes, it was hot, like 105C. The car after us used the same cable.

 

[HC_79]

Your 53kW charging rate does seem low. How hot out was it? and did you precondition before charging? When the charger is slowing the charge power rather than the car, it is often the cable getting overheated because the coolant circulation in the cable is not working. Most EA chargers have two cables, the cooling problem can affect one cable but not the other. It is sometimes worth training the other cable if it will reach the charge port. Did the car that used the charger after you, also use the same cable?

This isn’t the first time I’ve seen this issue pop up online where the Lucid is charging slower and another car pulls in afterwards and gets a way faster speed.

If it was consistently slow then I’d agree that the cable is hot and power limiting or something is up with the charger. If the above story is true though then this points squarely at Lucid. Would’ve loved to have seen a pic of the Lucid kW vs the following cars kW using the same charger though.

 

[EVSRCali]

This isn’t the first time I’ve seen this issue pop up online where the Lucid is charging slower and another car pulls in afterwards and gets a way faster speed.

If it was consistently slow then I’d agree that the cable is hot and power limiting or something is up with the charger. If the above story is true though then this points squarely at Lucid. Would’ve loved to have seen a pic of the Lucid kW vs the following cars kW using the same charger though.

Will keep that in mind, was too pissed in the moment standing in 110F heat and observing. As i said forget pictures, forget maybe the charger was bad etc etc. Why do we not have "Ideal" chargers in the service center or headquarters where one could go, do preconditioning and then charge. Show me that my car can draw 250KW as advertised. Then it would be fine that it is EAs fault etc. Next time you are at EA observe around. The Hyndais and Mercedes draw speeds of charging like crazy consistently.

 

[Neurio]

I got this the other day. GT with about 45 minutes of preconditioning. Now, it quickly dropped off, but I went from 24% to 80% in 30 minutes.

 

[EVSRCali]

I got this the other day. GT with about 45 minutes of preconditioning. Now, it quickly dropped off, but I went from 24% to 80% in 30 minutes.
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Is GT capable of 350KW charging? Then 263 is low after a 45-minute preconditioning, trying to troubleshoot the issue and how we can get it fixed for all of us.