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Two years and ~32,000 miles into my Lucid Air ownership, I've got some thoughts on DC fast charging. Like many early adopters, I initially faced major frustrations, largely due to the well-documented issues with the Electrify America network (a network, let's remember, born from VW's 'Dieselgate' settlement, but I digress).
As EA improved and Lucid began discussing 'charging curve' improvements, I always envisioned significant increases in charging speeds, not just minor, consistency gains. It seems many others interpreted these 'curve' improvements differently, focusing on smaller, more incremental changes. As you'll see in the rest of this post, my experience has not aligned with those initial expectations for dramatic speed increases.
I've been hearing some seriously impressive numbers from people:
I'm driving a '22 Air Grand Touring, which is on the 19" wheels. Just a note for newer owners: the 2022 GT models came fully-loaded; there were no options available beyond your exterior color and wheel selection (all other stuff, DreamDrive, SurrealSound, etc were standard).
So, to be clear: I'm not here to bash Lucid or EA, nor do I want to engage in unconstructive arguments. If your immediate response is 'well, my car charges fine,' that's great, and I'm genuinely happy for you. However, my strategy of 'wait and see' has had mixed results. While I've been pleased with the progress on software, the charging speeds continue to feel more like a theoretical possibility than a consistent reality, akin to the EPA mileage estimates. My suspicion is that many others are experiencing the same charging limitations, and I'm hoping to identify trends and patterns to bring forward so that maybe I can give Lucid some more actionable data (assuming they don't already know).
As EA improved and Lucid began discussing 'charging curve' improvements, I always envisioned significant increases in charging speeds, not just minor, consistency gains. It seems many others interpreted these 'curve' improvements differently, focusing on smaller, more incremental changes. As you'll see in the rest of this post, my experience has not aligned with those initial expectations for dramatic speed increases.
I've been hearing some seriously impressive numbers from people:
- Routinely hitting 200kW+ from low SOC with preconditioning
- Maintaining speeds above 100kW well into the 70-80% range
- Seeing 300kW+ on the right chargers
- Hitting close to 200kW without preconditioning!
I'm driving a '22 Air Grand Touring, which is on the 19" wheels. Just a note for newer owners: the 2022 GT models came fully-loaded; there were no options available beyond your exterior color and wheel selection (all other stuff, DreamDrive, SurrealSound, etc were standard).
My DC Fast Charging Experiences
Never Experienced:- I've never hit charging speeds over 170kW, regardless of the SOC, preconditioning, or charger type (including both 150kW and 350kW chargers, pre and post EA's charging network and stall updates).
- I've never been able to sustain a charge speed over 150kW for any appreciable length of time.
- That "10% to 80% in 20 minutes" claim? Yeah, not even close for me, and I’ve been on a lot of DCFC chargers.
- I’ll briefly see 140-150kW, but it almost immediately drops, regardless of the battery level or if I’ve preconditioned.
- It usually takes me around 30 minutes (or even longer) to charge from 40% to 80%.
- I'm usually averaging around 70-110kW charging rate in the first half of my charging sessions.
- When I’m charging to 100% for a road trip, the speed tanks to below 10kW once I hit 86%. I’ve heard others are still pulling 50kW+ at that point, and I'd love to hear from you if that's the case.
My Charging Habits
Just to give you some context, here are my charging habits:- I’m pretty consistent about preconditioning before DC fast charging. I’ll give it anywhere from 5 minutes to almost an hour (especially on road trips since the car starts preconditioning when I navigate to a charger). Doesn't seem to make too much of a difference for me.
- I typically charge daily on L2 chargers for 1 to 8 hours.
- I don’t usually charge past 80% unless I’m road tripping.
- I generally don't use the AC or heating while DC fast charging. I'm not usually even in the car.
So, to be clear: I'm not here to bash Lucid or EA, nor do I want to engage in unconstructive arguments. If your immediate response is 'well, my car charges fine,' that's great, and I'm genuinely happy for you. However, my strategy of 'wait and see' has had mixed results. While I've been pleased with the progress on software, the charging speeds continue to feel more like a theoretical possibility than a consistent reality, akin to the EPA mileage estimates. My suspicion is that many others are experiencing the same charging limitations, and I'm hoping to identify trends and patterns to bring forward so that maybe I can give Lucid some more actionable data (assuming they don't already know).