From the HERE website “At CES this week, the company will announce that HERE Navigation is being used by several global electric vehicle (EV) manufacturers.”
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I asked about this during my test drive last week. The map will download and be available offline (no cellular connection). You lose real time traffic and charger availability. He did not know how large an area is downloaded and stored for offline use. The owners manual syas the same thing with the addition that the stored map is based recent driving and navigation searches.
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There is a mode for Siri called "Sir Eyes Free" where if you press the microphone button (usually a long press - a short press uses the car's voice system), Siri will respond through your car's audio system and you can make requests without unlocking your phone. This was a feature which was popular before Apple CarPlay, although it still works if you have CarPlay installed. As a starter, Lucid could at least implement the Sir Eyes Free feature for now. Siri Eyes Free works with the Bluetooth Message Access Profile (MAP) profile, which is used for messaging, which Lucid also supports. They just need to implement a long press on the microphone button using the appropriate bluetooth message to be sent.
Use Siri in your car
With CarPlay or Siri Eyes Free, keep focused on the road by using Siri to control features of your iPhone.
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It's not explicitly stated anywhere but it's implied. The owner's manual you kindly provided the link to only specifies bluetooth connectivity for smart devices. The only mention of usb is under Accessory connections and only mentions charging. There is no mention of being able to transfer data via usb. Maybe when they update the manual for carplay/auto, they will allow wired and wireless connectivity but right now, the implication is the software won't allow for transferring data even if the ports are full function.
In the IT world, that is a "feature", not a bug or "issue". Since you were not promised a full function usb port, it is operating as designed - hence, it is a feature of the car or software. I may not like it since I find that wired carplay/auto is more reliable than wireless. You want to be able to use an accessory via usb. It is puzzling that the designers assumed that all devices that would be connected are capable of bluetooth and not provide for usb connectivity and maybe my device doesn't have Qualcomm aptX for best audio fidelity. Hopefully, they just need to update the software.
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Another plus for wired CarPlay is that you can have WiFi enabled on your phone and use it. With most wireless CarPlay functionality, the car connects to your phone via WiFi, which doesn't allow your phone to also connect to a different WiFi network.
Let's hope it's the entire state of California and Nevada. Otherwise I'm going to have to find my old Rand McNally atlas.
I guess this is why being an old head makes things like this frustrating. It's like saying GPS but only supplies power, LOL.
My phone might support aptX but various sites say it's hit or miss. Regardless it's not multi-channel audio over aptX. Neither does my Astell&Kern. Both are flawless over serial bus.
As stated by a few owners it's odd and dangerous that a phone is required to enter and exit the car. I'm sure this means Lucid will have your IMEI.
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The app uses BLE (Bluetooth Low Energy). There shouldn't be any IMEI exchange, since the feature can be used by non phones – for example, the key fob uses it too.
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Take it from a guy who has spent his life attacking things and being paid to do it: if it exists, it can be hacked. BLE with proper authn/authz is fine; I can’t say whether Lucid is fine because I haven’t played with it.
But for sure, the first few days I get my DE I’m trying to break it
This is an encouraging cpnversation.Take it from a guy who has spent his life attacking things and being paid to do it: if it exists, it can be hacked. BLE with proper authn/authz is fine; I can’t say whether Lucid is fine because I haven’t played with it.
But for sure, the first few days I get my DE I’m trying to break it
This is one reason I'm wishing Lucid had chosen to allow wired connections and have the car function without a phone. Companies unwittingly are exposing our privacy.
Sure I'd like to check status of charge and remotely cool/heat but that's it. Kill the app.
I mean, you could always just use the key card only
I didn't know that was an option, thanks! Hopefully there will be an aftermarket ring like for the Tesla.
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The card should just be an rfid card that needs to be programmed. All the ring is, is putting that chip into a ring format.
There are apparently LF, HF, and UHF rfid tags. That means that if the Tesla and Lucid use the same type, theoretically you should be able to buy an aftermarket Tesla one and program it to the Lucid.
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Lucid is using NFC 13.56 MHz for the card key. You should be able to program another card or even the NFC function in your cell phone to work. I am not sure how it is programmed. There is nothing in the owners manual on how to program this.
The problem with using the card in your wallet is that I have a RFID blocking wallet. I would find it annoying to have to remove the card from my wallet everytime I want to open the car door.
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Just went on a ~30-mile run in the car this morning. For once, everything seemed fine. Screens functioned throughout. Car switched from WiFi to LTE on its own (although the switch from the WiFi signal display to the LTE display took some time). Alexa found both the music I requested and accepted the navigation address I gave it. And the nav system displayed the route, showed pending turns, and gave audio prompts. These features continued to function as the LTE signal strength varied from 1 to 4 bars.
I wondered if they did something OTA with the car, but I couldn't find any notice of an update.
Except for the screen freezes and blackouts, much of what I've been experiencing seems to have to do with cell signals to the car.
I wondered if they did something OTA with the car, but I couldn't find any notice of an update.
Except for the screen freezes and blackouts, much of what I've been experiencing seems to have to do with cell signals to the car.
It can't possibly be the case that a straight copy of the NFC data payload would work. This would be ridiculously insecure and I can't imagine Lucid would have designed it this way.
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Definitely not a direct copy. I figured there was somewhere in the menus to pair a new key, like Tesla has. It’s possible it’s only available in admin menus right now, which means service would have to do it.
Right, I misunderstood. I suspect you'd need a proprietary Lucid card or fob rather than just your cell phone (without specific app support) or off-the-shelf NFC tag.
