Gravity [Dream Edition] Reservations Tracker

[037]

100% agree. If they made more choices available based on feedback then all the better. Everyone prioritizes differently, and if it’s worth it to them they will be happy with what they choose regardless.

Choices are great, but free downgrades? Not sure that’s a good way to appreciate your customers.

 

[AirDoll]

Choices are great, but free downgrades? Not sure that’s a good way to appreciate your customers.

Who knows, maybe they have a great contract negotiated with the larger ones, and the smaller ones not so much. Either way I’d be going with the largest so maybe it’s easy for me to say from the sidelines. I just like that they are trying to cater to people’s requests and not give anything away they can’t afford to. Besides, all seasons aren’t a downgrade for those who need them.

 

[037]

Who knows, maybe they have a great contract negotiated with the larger ones, and the smaller ones not so much. Either way I’d be going with the largest so maybe it’s easy for me to say from the sidelines. I just like that they are trying to cater to people’s requests and not give anything away they can’t afford to. Besides, all seasons aren’t a downgrade for those who need them.

It’s not a good look with the color, interior and wheels. That’s 5k+ worst case scenario difference. Even if $$ was no object it’s insulting.

If they said, add 220hp to whatever config you got for 10k, I would be upgrading yesterday even tho I don’t need more power. Otherwise it’s a 23k delta between what I ordered and where Dream landed. Not that I can’t swing it, I just refuse to pay for “self driving “ as I enjoy the process.

 

[hydbob]

It’s not a good look with the color, interior and wheels. That’s 5k+ worst case scenario difference. Even if $$ was no object it’s insulting.

If they said, add 220hp to whatever config you got for 10k, I would be upgrading yesterday even tho I don’t need more power. Otherwise it’s a 23k delta between what I ordered and where Dream landed. Not that I can’t swing it, I just refuse to pay for “self driving “ as I enjoy the process.

I think you are just taking an extreme negative view on this =) Also, paying for the downgrade is better than keeping an extra set of wheels laying around IMO. I already have a set of 21" DE wheels sitting in my garage haha

 

[037]

I think you are just taking an extreme negative view on this =) Also, paying for the downgrade is better than keeping an extra set of wheels laying around IMO. I already have a set of 21" DE wheels sitting in my garage haha

Those 21s are a decision you made that you came to regret, you had a choice there.

Anyway…everyone can do their math and decide what works for them, I just felt it didn’t work in Lucid’s favor to do a $$ grab like that. I do want them to succeed.

 

[hydbob]

Those 21s are a decision you made that you came to regret, you had a choice there.

Anyway…everyone can do their math and decide what works for them, I just felt it didn’t work in Lucid’s favor to do a $$ grab like that. I do want them to succeed.

Not a regret, there just aren't any/good all-season 21s available for the car. Anywho you are right, and while some may take your view, plenty more are just happy they can choose some differing options.

 

[hmp10]

Choices are great, but free downgrades? Not sure that’s a good way to appreciate your customers.

Offering several wheel options at the same price is not uncommon in the industry.

And I don't equate wheel size necessarily with either an upgrade or a downgrade. Most wheel manufacturers vary price based on material (steel, alloy, even carbon fiber), construction method (monoblock, 2-piece, 3-piece, forged, pressure cast, standard cast), and design complexity. Prices don't usually vary much based on wheel diameter within a given wheel model.

The smaller two wheel options have air blades that improve aerodynamics -- something that is lacking with the largest wheels. As @AirDoll said, different people have different wants and needs. Someone who assigns high priority to range might well view the smaller bladed wheels as the upgrade.

I don't feel the least bit unappreciated by Lucid. I welcome every choice they give me.

 

[037]

Offering several wheel options at the same price is not uncommon in the industry.

And I don't equate wheel size necessarily with either an upgrade or a downgrade. Most wheel manufacturers vary price based on material (steel, alloy, even carbon fiber), construction method (monoblock, 2-piece, 3-piece, forged, pressure cast, standard cast), and design complexity. Prices don't usually vary much based on wheel diameter within a given wheel model.

The smaller two wheel options have air blades that improve aerodynamics -- something that is lacking with the largest wheels. As @AirDoll said, different people have different wants and needs. Someone who assigns high priority to range might well view the smaller bladed wheels as the upgrade.

I don't feel the least bit unappreciated by Lucid. I welcome every choice they give me.

Sure, all wheels can be same price and you can pick what’s important. But charging an upgrade fee on GT and free downgrades on Dream is just not how I feel the customers would appreciate being treated.

 

[hmp10]

Sure, all wheels can be same price and you can pick what’s important. But charging an upgrade fee on GT and free downgrades on Dream is just not how I feel the customers would appreciate being treated.

Lucid seems to be using a "prix fixe" pricing strategy for its Dream lines, both with the Air and the Gravity: pay one price, but choose which of several entreés and sides you want, whether or not the fish, beef, pork, or chicken cost the restaurant the same.

I don't think Lucid thinks of their Dream models as vehicles for skinning the customer wherever possible. For example, the Air Dream pricing was announced when the only Dream Edition planned for sale was what became the Range version with 933 hp. But Rawlinson had that more powerful motor with exotic metallurgy that was to be on the rear axle of the Dream sitting on the bench, and he just couldn't resist the itch to reach for maximum performance, so he decided almost at the last minute to bifurcate the Dream line into a Range and a Performance version. Yet he kept pricing the same while putting that more powerful and more expensive motor on the front axle as well for those who were willing to take a bit less range for considerably more power.

I sometimes wonder what Lucid is up to -- especially with their marketing -- but I have never seen any reason to think it has anything to do with fleecing me or anyone else.

 

[hmp10]

Sure, all wheels can be same price and you can pick what’s important. But charging an upgrade fee on GT and free downgrades on Dream is just not how I feel the customers would appreciate being treated.

Here's another way to think about this:

The Pirelli rear tires for the 23" wheels cost over $1,100 per tire.

Rear tires for the 21" wheels cost well under$500 each.

Perhaps Lucid is giving you an advanced rebate on tire replacement costs by giving you the choice of (what you think, at least) are "cheaper" wheels that are decidedly cheaper to shod . . . .

 

[flarbear]

Oooh. Now we're talking! Earlier delivery, more power which I don't really want but I'm happy to take, and only 7% reduction in range. 40m more than the original DE configs and only 27m shorter than what I have been spec'ing.

 

[hmp10]

I'm actually relieved that Lucid has added the 20/21" wheels to the Dream choices. My original plan had been to go with Eric Bach's plan to go for full performance with the 22/23" wheels on his personal Gravity and then keep a set of 20/21" wheels on hand for long road trips and/or in cold weather.

The lack of the 20/21" wheels on the Dream had me in a quandary. There are no all-season or efficiency-optimized tires available for the 22/23" wheels, so I was trying to figure out if I should take the middle road of the middle-size wheel option (which are the least attractive of the choices in my view), for which both the Pirelli P Zeros and some all-season tires are available.

With the 20/21" now available, I can revert to my original plan.

 

[MeganT]

We just asked our advisor to switch us to the 20/21 wheels to get the better range (I had to pause about the downgrade because I too hate throwing away value, but we also value range and less expensive tire changes since we go through tires like wildfire on our Teslas.)

 

[Leftlane]

Boy if people were unhappy with the 21s on the Air popping or getting sidewall bulges, just wait until 23s and a much heavier SUV, much less the eventual replacement cost. I remember when 17s started coming out and people couldn’t believe wheels were that big.

As far as performance SUVs and spending the difference to get the Dream - I bought a Cayenne GTS and love it, even though I don’t drive it like a 911 or need that much power/speed….but it sure is nice to know it’s there. Can’t imagine anyone will ever regret getting the Dream - you’ll surely forget about the money anyway.

 

[HC_79]

Boy if people were unhappy with the 21s on the Air popping or getting sidewall bulges, just wait until 23s and a much heavier SUV, much less the eventual replacement cost. I remember when 17s started coming out and people couldn’t believe wheels were that big.

As far as performance SUVs and spending the difference to get the Dream - I bought a Cayenne GTS and love it, even though I don’t drive it like a 911 or need that much power/speed….but it sure is nice to know it’s there. Can’t imagine anyone will ever regret getting the Dream - you’ll surely forget about the money anyway.

Yep, you won’t be bitching about being screwed out of downgrade costs when you get the bill to replace even one of those tires and rims.

The lower profile performance tires and rims on the Lucid’s look great but they’re not worth the stress imo. I learnt the hard way on the Air with a $1600 tire and rim replacement and downgraded as soon as I could.

 

[037]

so, they gave us a 410 range for the Dream, awesome, except it’s for the 5 seater that isn’t even for sale.

I mean, I got no words, this is just plain bait and switch. All of course with a little number that makes it all legal. But as a person about to spend 120k on this vehicle…wtf

The hit on the GT between 5 and 7 seats is 13 miles.

I guess 397 miles didn’t have a ring to it like 410.

 

[DrZorro]

I pulled the trigger and upgraded to the Dream Edition...Will add it to the tracker!

 

[Bobby]

so, they gave us a 410 range for the Dream, awesome, except it’s for the 5 seater that isn’t even for sale.

I mean, I got no words, this is just plain bait and switch. All of course with a little number that makes it all legal. But as a person about to spend 120k on this vehicle…wtf

The hit on the GT between 5 and 7 seats is 13 miles.

I guess 397 miles didn’t have a ring to it like 410.

How was it a bait and switch when they are clearly revealing all of the facts for you to review prior to making a decision?

 

[037]

22/23 summer tires are now available under 3k, PZ5 (staying positive for a moment) - TireRack

 

[037]

How was it a bait and switch when they are clearly revealing all of the facts for you to review prior to making a decision?

Advertising a number for a vehicle not for sale?

I have no answer for you.

It’s like saying, only $599 with a foot note that says the down payment is 200k, with a 1,000 credit score, and the chart only goes up to 850.