P variant of Grand Touring with over 1,000hp?

[CraZ8]

Way too much for a software upgrade. My old model S allowed for an upgrade from insane to Ludicrous via software for 5k( and that included a new main fuse on the hardware side). I would consider upgrading my GT for ~15K which would cost Lucid next to nothing to do but 40 K to make it more expensive and less exclusive and powerful than a Dream? Someone in marketing has rocks in their head.

 

[CLTGT]

Maybe they should offer the upgrade as a no-cost option to those of us that ordered grey or silver and will be at 6+ months past confirmation date at actual delivery. I would still have to think about whether I would do it or not. Just joking though. I am hoping they throw in an extra hat.

And I agree, way too much for a software upgrade.

 

[otslade]

Way too much for a software upgrade. My old model S allowed for an upgrade from insane to Ludicrous via software for 5k( and that included a new main fuse on the hardware side). I would consider upgrading my GT for ~15K which would cost Lucid next to nothing to do but 40 K to make it more expensive and less exclusive and powerful than a Dream? Someone in marketing has rocks in their head.

fair comment... I can't imagine a ton will pick this trim in the short term, I do think that will change in the longer term. I bet there will be a price increase coming on the GT to make this all make more sense. I also believe some of this reasoning for Lucid comes based on the used market pricing of DE and GT

 

[Bbq9]

I am not upgrading, I want range over speed and yes, the grey looks nice!

Me too. AGT is fast enough

 

[Bunnylebowski]

Yeah $139K for GT specs was a pretty good compared to the competition which are all lower range/slower charging/less storage space. If you max out a Taycan you can hit $200K and still have inferior range and a slower car with less room.

 

[Paladin732]

Way too much for a software upgrade. My old model S allowed for an upgrade from insane to Ludicrous via software for 5k( and that included a new main fuse on the hardware side). I would consider upgrading my GT for ~15K which would cost Lucid next to nothing to do but 40 K to make it more expensive and less exclusive and powerful than a Dream? Someone in marketing has rocks in their head.

Its definitely hardware. Likely the same hardware as the DE as the range is nearly identical

Lucid announces Performance version of Air Grand Touring with 446-mile range and 1,050 horsepower

Following the start of deliveries of the Air Grand Touring, Lucid Motors announced a new Performance version that will arrive this summer.

electrek.co

 

[Coltonw011]

I’ve been saying this for a while, giving people access to 800 HP is terrifying enough. Now a non limited edition version being over 1000 HP, nobody needs that unless tracking. I’ve always been a supporter of more range, or faster charging, not speed.

 

[Paladin732]

Yeah $139K for GT specs was a pretty good compared to the competition which are all lower range/slower charging/less storage space. If you max out a Taycan you can hit $200K and still have inferior range and a slower car with less room.

Hah, you can hit 250K maxing out a Taycan

 

[hmp10]

Well, no it just confirms what I eluded to early in the infancy of this forum. It's software and not hardware

It could be that they can unlock more power via software in the GT. But there are definitely hardware differences between the DE and the GT. The DE uses different battery cells and a different rear motor from the GT.

This may be why the DE-P still has a slight hp advantage over the GT-P (1,111 vs. 1,050) and a range advantage (451 vs. 446 miles)

 

[DaveyBoyGT]

Wow! Just read the marketing info on the Lucid web site for the GT Performance. Here is my take:

The Dream Edition is no more. Lucid wanted to have a hot new super car first off the production line in limited edition so the DE owners can say they had the "first Edition". The GT Performance will replace the DE.
The reduction of HP rating and range of the GT-P from the DE-P is in line with the difference between the DE and GT. This because the DE used Samsung battery cells and the GT used LGChem cells, which had slightly lower energy capacity than the Samsung cells(112 kwh vs. 118kwh). Thus, ALL Lucid Air going forward will use the LGChem cells. After all, Lucid has a long term contract with LGChem so I guess that makes sense.
Have you noticed that all the Lucid Air models with the large battery pack have a top speed limit of 168 mph? Not a coincidence. The cars all have a speed limiter embedded in the inverter controls. You should all read the story on the website from July 10, 2017, where they did a speed test on a prototype car with the SPEED LIMITER DISABLED! The car reached a top speed of 235 mph! Yeah, the car was stripped down and probably used a small battery pack to shed a 1000 or more pounds of weight. It makes you wonder what this production car could do, however.

It is my belief that all the Lucid air cars (except maybe the Pure) use the same motor. Each model has variable HP rating achieved probably through variable frequency controls in the inverter as well as the speed limiter noted earlier.
Why should they build a bunch of different motors when they can change the HP ratings, and range capacities with just a few tweaks of the inverter software to make different "model" performance characteristics? Can't wait till somebody hacks the inverter software to bring the HP and speed up to the true full performance of this motor!

 

[hmp10]

Way too much for a software upgrade. My old model S allowed for an upgrade from insane to Ludicrous via software for 5k( and that included a new main fuse on the hardware side). I would consider upgrading my GT for ~15K which would cost Lucid next to nothing to do but 40 K to make it more expensive and less exclusive and powerful than a Dream? Someone in marketing has rocks in their head.

I wonder if this means the tri-motor has been scrapped or put on hold? Once you get into this kind of power output, you really don't derive any usable advantage from going higher. You're already way beyond the ability of tires to stay hooked up on public roads, such that electronic traction control is always at work. (All the tri-motor Plaid added to our EV experience was a front end coming loose under hard acceleration.)

All the tri-motor would add is a marginal increase in rear axle torque-vectoring and, of course, those all-important bragging rights. If the tri-motor were still waiting in the wings, it just seems the P option in the GT would do nothing but reduce demand for the tri-motor.

 

[idiot900]

Why should they build a bunch of different motors when they can change the HP ratings, and range capacities with just a few tweaks of the inverter software to make different "model" performance characteristics? Can't wait till somebody hacks the inverter software to bring the HP and speed up to the true full performance of this motor!

A common practice in for example GPUs - the "professional" cards that cost much more use the same chips as the "gamer" cards.

Even if it were free, I wouldn't hack the car's firmware until the warranty has expired. And probably not even then as I'd still want updates from the factory to work.

 

[hmp10]

The car reached a top speed of 235 mph! Yeah, the car was stripped down and probably used a small battery pack to shed a 1000 or more pounds of weight.

A smaller battery pack would have reduced current to drive the motors. (This is the main reason for the power step down in going to the smaller battery pack in the production line up.) Also, weight has more to do with acceleration rate than with top speed. I'm pretty sure getting to 235 mph required Lucid to use the biggest battery pack available.

The 168-mph electronic limit was chosen to comport with the speed rating of the tires. Our Tesla Model S Plaid has the same speed limit setting.

It is my belief that all the Lucid air cars (except maybe the Pure) use the same motor.

The Dream Edition uses a unique rear motor with a special metallurgy that increases hp by 15 and torque by an unspecified amount. (I have this information from Zak Edson, the VP of Lucid Sales & Service.)

 

[Sandvinsd]

I’ve been saying this for a while, giving people access to 800 HP is terrifying enough. Now a non limited edition version being over 1000 HP, nobody needs that unless tracking. I’ve always been a supporter of more range, or faster charging, not speed.

Range and charging speed are what matter for most EV buyers. All I’m hearing here from the current Air owners is that their range isn’t what it “should be”. More range always eases those concerns, ESPECIALLY after some years when the battery degradation eats into the original range..

 

[Coltonw011]

If you want more EV adoption, make the car go farther (500 is actually an amazing number if it can be achieved on some occasions), and make it “fill up” faster. Charging infrastructure needs help too in order to help curb range anxiety, but non-EV people always note that they can fill up their ICE vehicle in 5 min, and for some reason note that their car can go farther on a tank of gas (definitely not always the case).

 

[hmp10]

. . . non-EV people always note that they can fill up their ICE vehicle in 5 min . . .

While conveniently ignoring the fact that they probably have to do this 50 times a year.

I'd much rather spend an extra 15-20 minutes at a charging station a few times a year on a road trip in order to save the dozens of gas stops I have to make over the course of a year with my ICE vehicle.

 

[otslade]

While conveniently ignoring the fact that they probably have to do this 50 times a year.

I'd much rather spend an extra 15-20 minutes at a charging station a few times a year on a road trip in order to save the dozens of stops I have to make over the course of a year with my ICE vehicle.

This is a great way to look at it! Haven't thought about it this way

 

[Orange]

I won’t upgrade and will just get AGT.
As also lucid share holder, their marketing strategy is very worrisome.

 

[hydbob]

I won’t upgrade and will just get AGT.
As also lucid share holder, their marketing strategy is very worrisome.

What they want is a 1000 hp sedan available anytime to anyone who is willing to pay. Right now, it would be their flagship and they are hoping the handling and interior will make it a better option than the Plaid.

I'm sure if you ask @hmp10 if he would rather have the GTP vs the Plaid even at its price, it wouldn't be an easy decision. He has stated multiple times how much nicer the Air is compared to the Plaid.

And MB and BMW don't have a leg in the performance race.

 

[noobzilla]

Different wheels for the AGT-P

21" Aero Sport for P

21" Aero Blade