Would you sell your DE for what you paid

[borski]

To answer the other question: nobody, that I know of, has been locked inside the car without the ability to unlock and get out.

For me, the key fob works reliably 100% of the time. Maybe 5% of the time proximity unlock won’t work and I’ll need to push a button. I do not think this is a huge deal.

Boots *way* faster in 1.2.1, and much snappier. Reverse cam comes up almost immediately, and car is drivable almost immediately; it’s just media and overhead cams, etc., that take a few seconds to load.

You’ll be fine.

 

[Bill55]

Same with our XC40 Volvo EV. Walk up and get in, no need to touch key/phone/etc to unlock.

Pretty much every car on the market today locks and unlocks with a touch of the door handle immediately. Every car I have used also can be set to all doors or driver only. Unlocking all doors in an inconsistent way where you might be 12 feet away or you might have to stand next to the car for a few seconds is awful.

 

[borski]

Lucid‘s aim is to be the best Luxury Sedan in the world. I’m not using Tesla as a benchmark. S class and 7 series.

From Lucid “The advanced technology within Air is the real deal. From the moment you open the Lucid app, to the immersive in-car experience, every interaction is designed to be instant, intuitive, and exactly as you wish.”

For me it is not there is a bug here and there. It may have been designed to be instant, in the real world the entire interface is incredibly slow, button presses are laggy, even when it works “as expected”. A boot time of 40+ seconds in a car is simply unacceptable. Unlocking that is not instantaneous is unacceptable.

Have you tried 1.2.1?

 

[borski]

Pretty much every car on the market today locks and unlocks with a touch of the door handle immediately. Every car I have used also can be set to all doors or driver only. Unlocking all doors in an inconsistent way where you might be 12 feet away or you might have to stand next to the car for a few seconds is awful.

Oh, pushing the door handle has also worked for me 100% of the time, and they made it even better in 1.2.1.

 

[Bill55]

Oh, pushing the door handle has also worked for me 100% of the time, and they made it even better in 1.2.1.

Funny. Just the fact that you have to push on the door handle means the car has not behaved “as expected”

 

[borski]

Funny. Just the fact that you have to push on the door handle means the car has not behaved “as expected”

I’ve only done it when I’ve hung out around the car for a long time, talking, and want to reopen it, or the 5% of the time I mentioned previously where it doesn’t immediately unlock when I walk up to it.

 

[MikeTz]

I’ve only done it when I’ve hung out around the car for a long time, talking, and want to reopen it, or the 5% of the time I mentioned previously where it doesn’t immediately unlock when I walk up to it

There is no button to press to lock the car?

 

[hydbob]

There is no button to press to lock the car?

Just push the handle in

 

[Maverick]

Here is my question to the Forum.
My AGT has left the factory and delivery could be in a week. After reading so many comments about the many software glitches I am not sure if I want this car. At this point I would be worried if my wife drove it and she could not figure out certain software happenings. She wants an on and off button and drive. I have never had a car that takes a while to wake up before it’s ready to drive or god forbid locks one in or out in an emergency situation or cameras not working when the are needed.Has anyone experienced being locked in or out?
There seems to be just too many software glitches(some which could prove to be disastrous) to make this a daily pleasant driving experience. From all I read the driving seems to be stellar. How can that team be so good and the software time is still experimenting. My concern is how many updates before they get the important safety issues right?? In regular cars if the software had issues(Range Rover still antiquated software) I still can drive the car just fine and Google and Waze navigation works great every time.
So should I get delivery or just let it go and forfeit a 1000 dollars and wait another year?

My advice is to understand why you're buying it. No reason is right or wrong. But if you're buying it and expecting it, like Bill (and completely understandable), to work like an ICE S class given the cost, then you shouldn't buy now, and wait until you're more comfortable with where things are. I don't think there has been anything mentioned that is a real safety issue (beyond the strange turtling incident the other day). If you're buying it because of how it drives and/or the range and/or the uniqueness and look, then you shouldn't worry about the imperfections. If you're buying for some other reason, and you're not yet sold, again there's no harm in waiting except for the likely price increase.

For me, I've never owned an EV. I have not driven a sedan in ages. I like technology, but don't spend a ton of time trying to figure out all of the things I can do with it (or MUST do with it). I totally expect to be royally frustrated with some of the very things that have been brought up here. But I have never driven anything a smooth or quiet. I love driving and as long as it does that as well as the test drives have done, I will be happy most of the time - even if I do gripe on the board occasionally. And along those lines, I do think that many of the other posters who have posted issues feel the same. But either way, the decision is yours.

 

[MikeTz]

Just push the handle in

I feel stupid.... Didn't realize I had to push it hard to move it all the way in to lock it.

 

[otslade]

I feel stupid.... Didn't realize I had to push it hard to move it all the way in to lock it.

It is a great reason to have this forum!! learn!!

 

[MikeTz]

It is a great reason to have this forum!! learn!!

Hahahha yes !! but for a guy who rebuilt a Maserati BiTurbo engine in the 90's, locking a car shouldn't be such a mystery.

 

[hydbob]

I feel stupid.... Didn't realize I had to push it hard to move it all the way in to lock it.

To be fair, you have to push just as hard to unlock it

 

[digiboxer]

I personally would not. The Air drives incredibly well. The Air DE is a 1,111 hp monster that is also supremely comfortable, silent and handles beautifully. The Air GT and Touring will be just as satisfying, frankly, because I never use the full power the DE has available - you just can’t do that in the U.S. yea, the Air still has teething problems with the software but they are fixing it a little at a time. For example, 1.2.1 let’s me use Alexa for voice dialing phone calls! It is still slow to unlock from sleep, but doesn’t go to sleep as quickly so it’s more instantly ready to unlock.

The fact is that most other cars also have UX hiccups but don’t drive nearly as well. The UX in my $160k Range Rover is far worse than in my Air DE. The UX in my $350,000 Ferrari F8 Tributo is also worse. The only car I would consider swapping for my Air DE is a Bentley Flying Spur, but for the additional $100,000 I don’t think it would be a better car.

LOVE "teething problems...."

 

[Val88]

Personally I don't see how anyone going into buying this car can expect anything better than 75% bug free for the first 6 months of a new car let alone a new car company. Its the same reason I don't adopt a new version of windows for 6 months, a new cell phone (any brand) for 4 months etc. Maybe it's because I have a deep background in software engineering and I understand why it's impossible for most software to be better than 75% bug free at launch. I have to wonder about anyone spending this much money and thinking well I spent a lot so I better get a lot and it better be mostly perfect. We are decades if not centuries away from achieving that in software. From my perspective lucids software dev process is not only in line with industry but imo is doing better than most. More than 50% of IT projects in fortune 1000 companies end in utter failure. Sure "everyone" tells me they have set their reasonable expectations for whatever they are buying. But from my experience as an engineer people who don't understand software rarely understand what reasonable expectations are with tech. They assume certain things are easy and why can't it just work. Like hey there is a severe drought why can't you "just" build more reservoirs. There are homeless why can't you just build more cheap housing.

As for selling the car at cost. That wouldn't make sense either. Because inflation is already taking hold so anything else you buy you have that factored in. Seems extremely likely that lucid cars will be priced higher by the time the current reservations are fulfilled. If you were to sell it do it plus 7.2% at least considering the markup on eBay is much higher than that.

 

[Bill55]

Personally I don't see how anyone going into buying this car can expect anything better than 75% bug free for the first 6 months of a new car let alone a new car company. Its the same reason I don't adopt a new version of windows for 6 months, a new cell phone (any brand) for 4 months etc. Maybe it's because I have a deep background in software engineering and I understand why it's impossible for most software to be better than 75% bug free at launch. I have to wonder about anyone spending this much money and thinking well I spent a lot so I better get a lot and it better be mostly perfect. We are decades if not centuries away from achieving that in software. From my perspective lucids software dev process is not only in line with industry but imo is doing better than most. More than 50% of IT projects in fortune 1000 companies end in utter failure. Sure "everyone" tells me they have set their reasonable expectations for whatever they are buying. But from my experience as an engineer people who don't understand software rarely understand what reasonable expectations are with tech. They assume certain things are easy and why can't it just work. Like hey there is a severe drought why can't you "just" build more reservoirs. There are homeless why can't you just build more cheap housing.

As for selling the car at cost. That wouldn't make sense either. Because inflation is already taking hold so anything else you buy you have that factored in. Seems extremely likely that lucid cars will be priced higher by the time the current reservations are fulfilled. If you were to sell it do it plus 7.2% at least considering the markup on eBay is much higher than that.

Because every other car maker in the world has lock/unlock that works flawlessly. We are not talking about level 3 self driving or anything sophisticated. We are talking about unlocking the car, closing the garage door, and changing sources on the entertainment system.

 

[otslade]

Because every other car maker in the world has lock/unlock that works flawlessly. We are not talking about level 3 self driving or anything sophisticated. We are talking about unlocking the car, closing the garage door, and changing sources on the entertainment system.

I bet they get these issues fixed.... want to bet? Lucid decided to start making deliveries even when the car isn't fully baked with software knowing they can do updates.... I would have made the same decision in my biz! get the car out and start the process of making it better as quickly as possible. Being a start up, they had to start somewhere...

 

[Bill55]

Have you tried 1.2.1?

1.2.1 hasn’t pushed down to the car yet. If I don’t see it tomorrow, I will call and ask customer care to manually push it down. There was one previous update I had to have manually pushed down.

 

[Bill55]

I bet they get these issues fixed.... want to bet? Lucid decided to start making deliveries even when the car isn't fully baked with software knowing they can do updates.... I would have made the same decision in my biz! get the car out and start the process of making it better as quickly as possible. Being a start up, they had to start somewhere...

Issues are expected. The lack of focus on daily use items is a concern. The Homelink implementation in particular shows a lack of understanding of how the car is used by most.

 

[hydbob]

Because every other car maker in the world has lock/unlock that works flawlessly. We are not talking about level 3 self driving or anything sophisticated. We are talking about unlocking the car, closing the garage door, and changing sources on the entertainment system.

This sounds like an excuse, because it partially is, but, Tesla still has issues with lock/unlock and they have a 10 year head start on software. Why does it matter? Because only Tesla and Lucid are pure EVs in my opinion.