Speculation Gravity Features

[hmp10]

Why not wait and see it in person? Not sure where you got the photo but that can all be enhanced to show the lighting and might not be a true indication of brightness in reality. The ambient lighting in the Air is fully adjustable so I see no reason for it not to be in the Gravity.

The lighting in the Air is not fully adjustable in that different sections cannot be controlled independently. The point I keep trying to get across -- apparently unsuccessfully -- is not that the lighting should be adjustable. I'm sure it will be. The point is that the upper dashboard lighting should be controlled separately (and able to be turned completely off) from the rest of the interior lighting, as it is in a much more prominent location when it comes to night driving.

We had a similar discussion on this forum shortly after the Air hit the market and some drivers found the bright passenger airbag warning above the rearview mirror very intrusive at night, to the point that some drivers were putting tape over it. (Several automotive journalists even brought the point up in their reviews.)

A point raised in those discussions applies to this. Many Lucid drivers will be up in years and have vision limitations that younger people (such as those designing things at Lucid) are still spared. For instance, many older drivers have artificial lenses from cataract surgery that add halo effects and other visual artifacts. Night driving becomes more difficult for them, and lighting on the periphery of line of sight can have exaggerated effects.

I would also reiterate that I think Lucid watches this forum, making it a good place to raise such concerns. This "don't worry, Lucid will take care of it" attitude defeats one of the great aspects of this forum insofar as it seems meant to shut down the bringing up of points that some of us want to be sure the designers are considering.

 

[borski]

We had a similar discussion on this forum shortly after the Air hit the market and some drivers found the bright passenger airbag warning above the rearview mirror very intrusive at night, to the point that some drivers were putting tape over it. (Several automotive journalists even brought the point up in their reviews.)

I have that light, and the infamous tint tape. To be fair, that was a parts issue; by the time the first GT was made, the bulbs were a lot dimmer, and it was no longer an issue. That was us few, us proud DE folks who had to deal with that particular star in the sky.

Otherwise, I agree with everything else you said.

 

[Adnillien]

I have that light, and the infamous tint tape. To be fair, that was a parts issue; by the time the first GT was made, the bulbs were a lot dimmer, and it was no longer an issue. That was us few, us proud DE folks who had to deal with that particular star in the sky.

Otherwise, I agree with everything else you said.

I remember that, you DE owners convinced me buy some tint tape before getting my GT and then My GT came and the light was fine. I did not use the tape on my GT, but I found lots of other places to use it.

The design of the Gravity follows the understated elegance of the Air. I believe that it is a Lucid design principle. I expect that night lighting in Gravity will be similar to Air. The Air being one of the best cars to drive at night that I have ever owned. I think @hmp10 concern is valid but I also don't think Lucid will let us down with respect to night lighting.

 

[mcr16]

Hi, all. The image in question is not a representation of what would be a typical nighttime driving experience. We appreciate everyone sharing their feedback regarding the pre-production Gravity. Final specs/features will be announced later.

 

[xponents]

Hi, all. The image in question is not a representation of what would be a typical nighttime driving experience. We appreciate everyone sharing their feedback regarding the pre-production Gravity. Final specs/features will be announced later.

Thank you for the clarification! Great to see that you guys are open to feedback!

 

[hmp10]

Thank you for the clarification! Great to see that you guys are open to feedback!

That is one of the things I like about Lucid and this forum (and the moderators' commitment to keep it from going down the rabbit holes that dominate so many forums). I did not know that Lucid had gone to a lower intensity bulb for the airbag warning light in post-Dream production cars, but I'd like to think that the reaction of users had something to do with introducing the change so quickly.

Over three years ago I was involved in a marketing study Lucid commissioned. I saw then that they were determined to be as responsive as they could be to customer viewpoints, and it seems that determination is still intact.

Not every design decision they make will go my way or that of many other, and often conflicting, viewpoints. But just having a sense of being heard goes a long way to deepen brand loyalty . . . and in over fifty years of driving I've never become as enamored of a car brand as I have become of Lucid.

 

[Alex]

. I did not know that Lucid had gone to a lower intensity bulb for the airbag warning light in post-Dream production cars, but I'd like to think that the reaction of users had something to do with introducing the change so quickly.

Somewhat off topic, but does anyone know if we can get the lower intensity “bulb" retrofitted in our DE?

 

[Adnillien]

Somewhat off topic, but does anyone know if we can get the lower intensity “bulb" retrofitted in our DE?

I would email John from service and ask him. Then let everyone else know.

 

[borski]

Somewhat off topic, but does anyone know if we can get the lower intensity “bulb" retrofitted in our DE?

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[hmp10]

Zeb Coughenour, the lead interior designer of the Gravity, just gave a lengthy video interview on the vehicle with a Canadian channel:

lucid gravity

There were some interesting tidbits near the end of the video. At 22:48 Coughenour said all the Gravity models would be all-wheel drive. If correct, that would answer the speculation about whether the base $80K model will be dual motor.

There was also a chart posted at 21:20 that had some questionable information. It said the Gravity would have a 112-kWh battery pack, while Peter Rawlinson recently said it would be around 120 kWh. It also gave the DCFC charging capacity as "up to 250+ kW", which is lower than the 300-kW number advertised for the Air.

It also said the Gravity has a 900V architecture. I don't know if this is just a rounding down from the Air's 924V (with the larger battery pack), or whether something has actually changed.

 

[joec]

Zeb Coughenour, the lead interior designer of the Gravity, just gave a lengthy video interview on the vehicle with a Canadian channel:

lucid gravity

There were some interesting tidbits near the end of the video. At 22:48 Coughenour said all the Gravity models would be all-wheel drive. If correct, that would answer the speculation about whether the base $80K model will be dual motor.

There was also a chart posted at 21:20 that had some questionable information. It said the Gravity would have a 112-kWh battery pack, while Peter Rawlinson recently said it would be around 120 kWh. It also gave the DCFC charging capacity as "up to 250+ kW", which is lower than the 300-kW number advertised for the Air.

It also said the Gravity has a 900V architecture. I don't know if this is just a rounding down from the Air's 924V (with the larger battery pack), or whether something has actually changed.

Interesting. I really like Zeb. Thanks for posting.

 

[xponents]

Zeb Coughenour, the lead interior designer of the Gravity, just gave a lengthy video interview on the vehicle with a Canadian channel:

lucid gravity

There were some interesting tidbits near the end of the video. At 22:48 Coughenour said all the Gravity models would be all-wheel drive. If correct, that would answer the speculation about whether the base $80K model will be dual motor.

There was also a chart posted at 21:20 that had some questionable information. It said the Gravity would have a 112-kWh battery pack, while Peter Rawlinson recently said it would be around 120 kWh. It also gave the DCFC charging capacity as "up to 250+ kW", which is lower than the 300-kW number advertised for the Air.

It also said the Gravity has a 900V architecture. I don't know if this is just a rounding down from the Air's 924V (with the larger battery pack), or whether something has actually changed.

I do know about one thing, and that is the 924v system. Lucid has oftentimes rounded this down in Air marketing materials, so this is expected.

I would also assume that those are placeholder specs as Rawlinson and Lucid have not officially spoken about the battery or charging network. The AWD system is very nice, it looks like Lucid is trying to bring more into the pure vs the rather lackluster Air pure(glass roof, awd, etc). I do wonder how much efficiency a RWD Gravity would have(3.9-4 mi/kwh?) but they likely wanted it awd so it wouldnt be labeled a "city" suv, since 4WD is important for offroading.

 

[Adnillien]

It also said the Gravity has a 900V architecture. I don't know if this is just a rounding down from the Air's 924V (with the larger battery pack), or whether something has actually changed.

The Air is only 924 when 100% charged and the voltage decreases as SOC decreases. Hence, 900V is actually a better description.

 

[xponents]

The Air is only 924 when 100% charged and the voltage decreases as SOC decreases. Hence, 900V is actually a better description.

Is that also why the Pure/Touring have less voltage(as their battery could be a "percent" of the gt's battery)?

 

[hmp10]

The AWD system is very nice, it looks like Lucid is trying to bring more into the pure vs the rather lackluster Air pure(glass roof, awd, etc).

I'm not sure I would call the Air Pure lackluster. It has gotten very strong reviews across the auto press, including observations that it handles even better than the AWD models for little power penalty. And remember that even the mighty Sapphire dispensed with the glass canopy.

I think one of the reasons that all the Gravity models will be AWD is that it is pretty much the price of passage into the SUV club. One of the distinctions between the SUV category and the (undeservedly) disparaged minivan category is that most minivans are front-wheel drive only -- a phrase that doesn't exactly connote sport or utility.

 

[Adnillien]

Is that also why the Pure/Touring have less voltage(as their battery could be a "percent" of the gt's battery)?

Voltage is determined by the number of cells in series. The GT and DE have 220 cells in series (220*4.2V) or 924 volts. The Touring and Pure have 180 cells in series (180*4.2V) or 756 volts.

 

[xponents]

I'm not sure I would call the Air Pure lackluster. It has gotten very strong reviews across the auto press, including observations that it handles even better than the AWD models for little power penalty. And remember that even the mighty Sapphire dispensed with the glass canopy.

I think one of the reasons that all the Gravity models will be AWD is that it is pretty much the price of passage into the SUV club. One of the distinctions between the SUV category and the (undeservedly) disparaged minivan category is that most minivans are front-wheel drive only -- a phrase that doesn't exactly connote sport or utility.

Definitely, it is not lackluster in driving or power at ALL. The interior features were the only thing that left something to be desired(glass roof, all black interior, only heated seats) and the rear seat is very bland without the fabrics extended to it. Materials were very nice as in the other airs, though.

 

[hmp10]

A new article about the Gravity Dream Edition throws a couple of my assumptions into doubt.

I had assumed the 440+ miles of range meant the Dream Edition might slightly exceed this number and that the other versions would fall somewhat short. I had also assumed that the 800+ horsepower and <3.5 0-60 times meant that it would be the Dream Edition that might slightly exceed those figures. Or, in the alternative, maybe the Gravity Dream was going to be more about luxury/convenience features with little powertrain differences from the other versions.

Yet the following article, in which Peter Rawlinson is quoted (without saying when and to whom he said these things), suggests a Dream Edition more in line with what happened with the Air: a limited production run with power and acceleration well beyond the rest of the range (outside the Sapphire, of course).

New Lucid Gravity to receive exclusive, long-range Dream Edition

Limited-edition range-topper is inbound, with more than 440 miles of range and fearsome pace

autos.yahoo.com

 

[joec]

A new article about the Gravity Dream Edition throws a couple of my assumptions into doubt.

I had assumed the 440+ miles of range meant the Dream Edition might slightly exceed this number and that the other versions would fall somewhat short. I had also assumed that the 800+ horsepower and <3.5 0-60 times meant that it would be the Dream Edition that might slightly exceed those figures. Or, in the alternative, maybe the Gravity Dream was going to be more about luxury/convenience features with little powertrain differences from the other versions.

Yet the following article, in which Peter Rawlinson is quoted (without saying when and to whom he said these things), suggests a Dream Edition more in line with what happened with the Air: a limited production run with power and acceleration well beyond the rest of the range (outside the Sapphire, of course).

New Lucid Gravity to receive exclusive, long-range Dream Edition

Limited-edition range-topper is inbound, with more than 440 miles of range and fearsome pace

autos.yahoo.com

I can’t see any Gravity getting more than the Air’s 520. But back in November at the LA Auto show, Peter was very adamant that the 440+ on the slide was a conservative number. “We will beat 440” was roughly what he said.

I assumed he meant that for more than the Dream Edition. But I could easily see the Dream having the top range again.

I also think if they limit Dream production, it’ll be more than the 520 they did for Air. The number symbolism is nice, but it would be bonkers not to sell it to a larger audience than Air. That would be leaving a ton of money on the table.

So maybe 800? 1000? That would be my best guess.

Unless the dreams are somehow less profitable than a cheaper GT.

 

[hmp10]

I can’t see any Gravity getting more than the Air’s 520. But back in November at the LA Auto show, Peter was very adamant that the 440+ on the slide was a conservative number. “We will beat 440” was roughly what he said.

I can't even see the Gravity getting very close to the Air's 520: higher drag coefficient combined with greater frontal surface, 700-800 pounds of more weight. Also a larger interior to heat and cool, plus an air suspension system putting greater demands on the battery pack. There have been mentions of slight motor improvements and a slightly larger battery pack (120 kWh vs 118 kWh), but I don't know how far that could go to offset these greater energy demands. The wilder card might be the Samsung batteries that Lucid will reportedly use for the Gravity. Samsung is introducing an advanced line of batteries, but will they make it into the Gravity?

I also think if they limit Dream production, it’ll be more than the 520 they did for Air. The number symbolism is nice, but it would be bonkers not to sell it to a larger audience than Air. That would be leaving a ton of money on the table.

So maybe 800? 1000? That would be my best guess.

Agree. Lucid has already said that existing Air owners will get first dibs on Dream Edition orders. If this forum is any indication, quite a few Air owners will add or switch to a Gravity, perhaps enough to soak up a lot of the Dream production. (I intend to be one of them.). And why would Lucid overly constrict the supply of Dream Editions to newcomers to the brand who have been waiting for the SUV and are willing to spring for -- or even demand -- the top trim level?