Lucid Party @ Gravity Reveal-LA AutoShow November, 2023?

[Tesla2.0]

While my only regret about the Air is not buying the Dream Edition, for an SUV I will take range over performance.

I feel exactly the same. I’m very happy with GT 819 HP. Even with R1S, I only launched once despite 830 HP. 3 sec 0-60 is not as desirable as wanting 400 miles range for me.

 

[hmp10]

I just went back to refresh my memory.

The Air Dream R lost 39 miles of range between the two tire/wheel combos (19s vs. 21s). On the 19's, there was 49 miles of range difference between the R and the P. On the 21's, there was only 30 miles of range difference between the R and the P. So a good bit of the range difference was due to tire/wheel sizes instead of powertrain output.

If Gravity maintains the choice between R and P and the range difference on the larger tires (which is what I would order) is only 30 miles as it was with the Air, I would probably stick with the Dream P. Remember that 30 miles of EPA range difference probably amounts to only around 23-25 miles of difference at sustained highway speeds. I doubt if that would make any difference when planning charging stops on a road trip, and you get the fun of the greater power on all the other driving you do, which is probably the vast majority of driving for most owners.

 

[xponents]

I just went back to refresh my memory.

The Air Dream R lost 39 miles of range between the two tire/wheel combos (19s vs. 21s). On the 19's, there was 49 miles of range difference between the R and the P. On the 21's, there was only 30 miles of range difference between the R and the P. So a good bit of the range difference was due to tire/wheel sizes instead of powertrain output.

If Gravity maintains the choice between R and P and the range difference on the larger tires (which is what I would order) is only 30 miles as it was with the Air, I would probably stick with the Dream P. Remember that 30 miles of EPA range difference probably amounts to only around 23-25 miles of difference at sustained highway speeds. I doubt if that would make any difference when planning charging stops on a road trip, and you get the fun of the greater power on all the other driving you do, which is probably the vast majority of driving for most owners.

Don't forget, in terms of range decreases we have to think of them as percentages instead of linearly. This means that it will likely be less than 30 miles of difference.


If the DE-R(if the versions even exist) has more than 50 miles more range, it is the play.

 

[xponents]

While my only regret about the Air is not buying the Dream Edition, for an SUV I will take range over performance.

If the Gravity has offroading capability, will you be ordering a DE?

 

[hydbob]

I've been thinking the same thing. But when the time comes to push the order button, I'm not sure my practical resolve will be up to the challenge.

If they have a tri-motor Gravity that would ship at launch...ain't nothing practical about a 3 motor EV, but so be it =)

 

[Adnillien]

From what I have seen so far the Gravity will meet my needs very well. I do regularly drive on forest service roads with washboard and potholes where higher ground clearance is required. Gravity with an air suspension and the right wheels seems to be capable of this. I am thinking that the DE Gravity will be more of a launch edition rather than a performance edition. If that is the case, I will buy the DE. If the DE is performance at the expense of reasonable off road capability, then I will wait.

 

[xponents]

From what I have seen so far the Gravity will meet my needs very well. I do regularly drive on forest service roads with washboard and potholes where higher ground clearance is required. Gravity with an air suspension and the right wheels seems to be capable of this. I am thinking that the DE Gravity will be more of a launch edition rather than a performance edition. If that is the case, I will buy the DE. If the DE is performance at the expense of reasonable off road capability, then I will wait.

I'm not expecting gravity to be the rock crawling beast the R1S is, but yes, it does seem to be well suited for dirt roads with some bumps here and there.

 

[Dortreo]

"The character of the [crossover] will still have a strength and a robustness. It'll still have the ability to have a respectable ground clearance if needed. But we're not making a rock-crawler here.”

Derek Jenkins, Lucid's senior vice president of design and brand (2021)

Source

 

[hmp10]

Don't forget, in terms of range decreases we have to think of them as percentages instead of linearly. This means that it will likely be less than 30 miles of difference.

The Air Dream P on 21" wheels only has ~7% less range than the Air Dream R on the same wheels. As we've never arrived at a charging station with less than 28% charge remaining on a road trip in the Air even after three hours of driving 80+ mph, the added range of a Dream R would be immaterial to us.

If a Gravity P vs. an R had similar or even slightly greater range difference, it would likewise be immaterial to us.

 

[Tesla2.0]

If they have a tri-motor Gravity that would ship at launch...ain't nothing practical about a 3 motor EV, but so be it =)

I love R1S quad motor. Even though there is mode to make 2 motors, I almost never do. BTW, Rivian stopped making 4 motors EV, so I got lucked out.

 

[xponents]

Rivian stopped making 4 motors EV, so I got lucked out.

Wait, completely and permanently?

 

[joec]

The Air Dream P on 21" wheels only has ~7% less range than the Air Dream R on the same wheels. As we've never arrived at a charging station with less than 28% charge remaining on a road trip in the Air even after three hours of driving 80+ mph, the added range of a Dream R would be immaterial to us.

If a Gravity P vs. an R had similar or even slightly greater range difference, it would likewise be immaterial to us.

This is why I’m guessing there won’t be two variants of the DE for Gravity. I think Lucid learned that the range edition was a hard sell. And it’s more expensive to build, I imagine.

Gravity won’t get 520 miles, regardless. So it’s not going to break records. (Except maybe an asterisk “for an SUV.”)

 

[joec]

The question I have is “How many Dreams will they build?”

Will they keep the 520 number? Make it match the EPA range of Gravity, which would make it more exclusive?

Or will they not limit the number at all and build as many as they can sell?

The GT-P was the direct result of having set too low a limit on the Air DE. My guess is the number for DE Gravity will be higher (like maybe 1,000?) or no limit at all.

 

[xponents]

The question I have is “How many Dreams will they build?”

Will they keep the 520 number? Make it match the EPA range of Gravity, which would make it more exclusive?

Or will they not limit the number at all and build as many as they can sell?

The GT-P was the direct result of having set too low a limit on the Air DE. My guess is the number for DE Gravity will be higher (like maybe 1,000?) or no limit at all.

It needs to maintain SOME exclusivity, but if more than 520 people(probably ~1500) wanted the ADE, then Gravity can get 5k for the Dream edition. That is what I would think is good because it has enough exclusivity for the target audience and is not too much of a limit.

 

[Tesla2.0]

I just went back to refresh my memory.

The Air Dream R lost 39 miles of range between the two tire/wheel combos (19s vs. 21s). On the 19's, there was 49 miles of range difference between the R and the P. On the 21's, there was only 30 miles of range difference between the R and the P. So a good bit of the range difference was due to tire/wheel sizes instead of powertrain output.

If Gravity maintains the choice between R and P and the range difference on the larger tires (which is what I would order) is only 30 miles as it was with the Air, I would probably stick with the Dream P. Remember that 30 miles of EPA range difference probably amounts to only around 23-25 miles of difference at sustained highway speeds. I doubt if that would make any difference when planning charging stops on a road trip, and you get the fun of the greater power on all the other driving you do, which is probably the vast majority of driving for most owners.

I sincerely hope Lucid makes more options at trim level instead of more trims like Air model. More trims just create more information lag and delays to led to people losing luster waiting and waiting and then just cancel order in queue. I know many Pure trim was canceled because waited too long to get delivered.

 

[joec]

I sincerely hope Lucid makes more options at trim level instead of more trims like Air model. More trims just create more information lag and delays to led to people losing luster waiting and waiting and then just cancel order in queue. I know many Pure trim was canceled because waited too long to get delivered.

I think they are aware of this. And I expect the wait between trims will be shorter this time around. They’ve learned a lot about manufacturing from Air.

 

[Tim-in-CA]

"The character of the [crossover] will still have a strength and a robustness. It'll still have the ability to have a respectable ground clearance if needed. But we're not making a rock-crawler here.”

Derek Jenkins, Lucid's senior vice president of design and brand (2021)

Source

Yea, if Gravity uses the same 21” tires as the Air, there is no way it can be used off road. The 21s bubble when Driven over the minorist of potholes.

 

[Tesla2.0]

I think they are aware of this. And I expect the wait between trims will be shorter this time around. They’ve learned a lot about manufacturing from Air.

I sure hope so. The new introduced COO should oversee production, marketing execution. To me the most important aspect is prompt execution to not alienate owners for caution of information void which can be mistaken as snobbishness.

 

[Tesla2.0]

Yea, if Gravity uses the same 21” tires as the Air, there is no way it can be used off road. The 21s bubble when Driven over the minorist of potholes.

Unless Gravity introduce new Michelin tires like Sapphire did.

 

[Adnillien]

I sure hope so. The new introduced COO should oversee production, marketing execution. To me the most important aspect is prompt execution to not alienate owners for caution of information void which can be mistaken as snobbishness.

I have full confidence in Steven David with respect to production of both Air and Gravity. Steven is a very impressive person and was not there for the Air production launch.