Lucid Comfort

[dawktah LucidGT]

Interesting, it would be nice to determine why people have to resort to crime to begin with. You cannot punish your way out of a problem anyone with children know this. Systems cannot reward one group for the same behavior another group is punished for.

 

[borski]

Sure, if taxes are lowered and conditions improved, people will move back. That would constitute a cycle. If not, the exodus will continue.

We shall agree to disagree.

The cycle has existed and taxes have rarely been lowered; yes, in CA taxes are higher, but we have beautiful parks, great roads (as compared to other parts of the country), free recycling, great public schools, etc. It’s generally a fantastic place to live.

A combination of *the pandemic* and a bad DA had increased crime in *some areas*, but that does not constitute “terrible conditions” in general.

Happy to agree to disagree.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

Norway has some of the highest taxes, but has been ranked as the #1 country, year after year. People love avoiding paying taxes...

As far as Lucid comfort

 

[hydbob]

I mean, there's there's reason California has the highest homeless population in the country. But that issue is seemingly never ending in its complexity to fix

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

I mean, there's there's reason California has the highest homeless population in the country. But that issue is seemingly never ending in its complexity to fix

As I asked earlier in this thread, what is the solution? People don't choose to be homeless. Why are people unemployed? Why do people commit crimes, no one is inherently more criminal than the next.

From what I understand, it doesn't rain too often in Southern California. Stays pretty warm all year.

 

[hydbob]

As I asked earlier in this thread, what is the solution? People don't choose to be homeless. Why are people unemployed? Why do people commit crimes, no one is inherently more criminal than the next.

From what I understand, it doesn't rain too often in Southern California. Stays pretty warm all year.

There's no easy solution, housing is a problem, mental health is a problem, access to services is less of a problem comparatively, the vast number of people is a problem. The pandemic accelerated the problem but it was already headed that way.

I disagree with your last part about no one being inherently more criminal than the next. Sociopathic personalities lend towards more criminal behavior.

We are WAY off topic though haha

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

I can sit down and discuss over a bottle of wine. The problem is more direct than that. America just can't bring itself to admit it.

Let's get back on topic.

 

[borski]

I mean, there's there's reason California has the highest homeless population in the country. But that issue is seemingly never ending in its complexity to fix

You’re right. CA is not without its problems, for sure.

But show me a state that doesn’t have issues

 

[borski]

I can sit down and discuss over a bottle of wine. The problem is more direct than that. America just can't bring itself to admit it.

Let's get back on topic.

If I ever get a chance to meet you, I’d love to take you up on that shared bottle

 

[Lucken]

Yeah. We haven’t really had crime in a nice area of San Diego until the last couple of years. Now catalytic converters are sawed off in broad daylight, cars are broken into and stolen, Amazon packages stolen in clear view of porch cameras. The criminals don’t care because they won’t be prosecuted. Also major shoplifting in the stores. The homeless are infiltrating the nicer areas, especially now that the extended the trolley from downtown into the La Jolla / UTC area.

That's unfortunate. I thought San Diego was still fairly immune from this.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

If I ever get a chance to meet you, I’d love to take you up on that shared bottle

If everything goes to plan will be picking up my AGT at the Millbrae location on June 24th and then driving to Napa on the 25th for the day and then back to Half Moon Bay.

 

[Lucken]

Norway has some of the highest taxes, but has been ranked as the #1 country, year after year. People love avoiding paying taxes...

As far as Lucid comfort

I don't believe people would have such a distaste for high taxes if they saw their tax dollars at work. Instead we have deteriorating neighborhoods, deteriorating infrastructure, rising crime and all the other goodies that go along with some of the areas in the U.S.

 

[borski]

I don't believe people would have such a distaste for high taxes if they saw their tax dollars at work. Instead we have deteriorating neighborhoods, deteriorating infrastructure, rising crime and all the other goodies that go along with some of the areas in the U.S.

Everyone hates paying taxes, period, particularly in America. Some things will never change, no matter what is done with those taxes.

 

[hydbob]

I don't believe people would have such a distaste for high taxes if they saw their tax dollars at work. Instead we have deteriorating neighborhoods, deteriorating infrastructure, rising crime and all the other goodies that go along with some of the areas in the U.S.

We also have the best services for low income and maybe the best aid as well? Not sure about recent numbers

 

[Lucken]

As I asked earlier in this thread, what is the solution? People don't choose to be homeless. Why are people unemployed? Why do people commit crimes, no one is inherently more criminal than the next.

From what I understand, it doesn't rain too often in Southern California. Stays pretty warm all year.

Mental illness is the cause in many cases. Here in N.Y. when they decided to close some mental hospitals and allow people to fend for themselves, the homeless rate skyrocketed. So many of these people need mental health care and until they get it, the rates will be what they are. Others, let's face it, are simply lazy and don't want to work. There's one kid in his mid 20s that frequents a 7-11 near me. He's obviously not a 'bum' in the sense that many of us think of it, but nonetheless there he is, day after day. I had a conversation with him one day and mentioned there are tons of retailers looking for help. He claimed he had filled out many applications but he said, 'they told me I did it wrong'. Does he too have issues? I don't know.

 

[Lucken]

You’re right. CA is not without its problems, for sure.

But show me a state that doesn’t have issues

It's not that other states don't have issues, it's the degree & severity of those issues. NY & California, IMO, lead in those categories. I live here, but I can be objective enough to admit it.

 

[hydbob]

Because CA and NY provide the most for those in need.

 

[borski]

Mental illness is the cause in many cases. Here in N.Y. when they decided to close some mental hospitals and allow people to fend for themselves, the homeless rate skyrocketed. So many of these people need mental health care and until they get it, the rates will be what they are. Others, let's face it, are simply lazy and don't want to work. There's one kid in his mid 20s that frequents a 7-11 near me. He's obviously not a 'bum' in the sense that many of us think of it, but nonetheless there he is, day after day. I had a conversation with him one day and mentioned there are tons of retailers looking for help. He claimed he had filled out many applications but he said, 'they told me I did it wrong'. Does he too have issues? I don't know.

It’s extremely easy to ascribe judgment to people whose backgrounds we don’t know. I’ve been very lucky to have grown up with amazing parents who stressed education and kept me out of a life of crime, for example, despite having grown up very poor.

Many are not so lucky, and grow up in abusive or dysfunctional households, or with no parents at all, or in schools with no support, or are abused, etc.

Until you know someone’s story, it’s very hard to understand why and how someone is in the situation they’re in.

The vast majority of homeless I’ve spoken to (and I try to, because I find people fascinating in general) have incredibly interesting stories and are largely victims of their circumstances.

 

[Lucken]

Because CA and NY provide the most for those in need.

You wouldn't think so by seeing the number of homeless in both states.

 

[borski]

It's not that other states don't have issues, it's the degree & severity of those issues. NY & California, IMO, lead in those categories. I live here, but I can be objective enough to admit it.

Depends on your values. I wouldn’t want to be a woman in Texas right now, for example, but that is because of my views on abortion.

Wouldn’t want to have been in Florida during the height of the pandemic either.

Like I said: every state has issues, and none are perfect.