Why is No One Talking About All of the Improvements to the 2025 GT?!?

[hmp10]

Also, there is definitely no vibration/shaking in my car. No idea what that’s about.

We're on our second Dream Edition Air (first one was wrecked) and never experienced any vibration in the drivetrain. They both had the front motor whine under acceleration, but it goes away once you're at speed. It's the most buttery smooth car on the road that I've ever driven, including our two Tesla Model S's which had/have rougher suspensions and noisier interiors than the Air.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

How’s it when navigating around different areas? For instance in my car, the first time you load up maps, you have to stare at a loading screen for about 10 seconds then the map starts to fill itself out. Then if you hit the search bar, it takes a couple seconds for the keyboard to populate.

Also what about profile switching? Any better?

Switching between different areas was instantaneous. I don’t know about switching profiles as I did not do that on my test drives…

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Finally. The one continuing niggle I have with the interior of our Air is the floor mats refusing to stay put. I've even bought aftermarket grips (spikes that are drilled through the mats and sunk into the floor carpet), and they eventually let go. We have posts in our Odyssey, and the mats haven't budged in six years.

There are posts in the 2025’s and (from what I understand the later 2024 GT’s also)…

 

[rfc805]

How’s it when navigating around different areas? For instance in my car, the first time you load up maps, you have to stare at a loading screen for about 10 seconds then the map starts to fill itself out. Then if you hit the search bar, it takes a couple seconds for the keyboard to populate.

Also what about profile switching? Any better?

So, there's a split here. One is the performance of the system itself, and one is the network connectivity. Here, AT&T is godawful, so aspects where it has to load data from the internet are equally awful. Mine frequently actually is "dead" because of this, but - we have no option to switch networks, so just the way it is.

The network connectivity being crap leaves me staring at screens like this a lot with nothing actually working. But it's not the local car infotainment being slow, just AT&T being terrible.

 

[rfc805]

HA is not run on the infotainment chip/CCC.

I don't think I believe this - at least, it certainly has involvement. HA in terms of vehicle control may not run there, but certainly the HA visualization on the cluster/etc must run through it.

It's a very directly relationship to press HA on, HA initializes and shows up on the dash, audio goes wonky/breaks. I can't repeat it 100%, but it repeats itself maybe 20% of the time. Turning HA off does not fix it, have to actually stop and reset the car.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

OK, super Newb question…what is “HA?”

 

[Buffalo Bob]

While some knowledgeable people on the forum insist otherwise, I just have to believe that our Airs either have an eSIM or a physical SIM in a location that is easy to get to. I would swap out AT&T for one of my T-Mobile lines, if I could. I have to believe that plenty of people have one carrier that works better for them than all the others, and would consider swapping out if it was not AT&T.

 

[Buffalo Bob]

OK, super Newb question…what is “HA?”

Highway Assist. DreamDrive Pro's evolutionary step toward autonomous driving.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Thank you!

 

[alancath]

Although I've been told there will never be a resolution for the front motor whine, I will always feel that there should be - it's the biggest frustration and disappointment of my '23 AGT (although certainly not the only one). I feel strongly that a vehicle such as this should not have any such noise. Just a few days ago I took an extended drive in a new Polestar 2 - there is no such noise. Tesla owners who have driven my car also say they have no such noise. I cannot understand how anyone at Lucid ever thought that this is okay. The fact that it has been engineered out of the car 2 years later further reinforces my perspective.

 

[vav493]

Although I've been told there will never be a resolution for the front motor whine, I will always feel that there should be - it's the biggest frustration and disappointment of my '23 AGT (although certainly not the only one). I feel strongly that a vehicle such as this should not have any such noise. Just a few days ago I took an extended drive in a new Polestar 2 - there is no such noise. Tesla owners who have driven my car also say they have no such noise. I cannot understand how anyone at Lucid ever thought that this is okay. The fact that it has been engineered out of the car 2 years later further reinforces my perspective.

not a big fan of the motor whine myself either only thing i can think of is they took a paragraph out of Bentley’s learning book. unsurprisingly, they had engineered their cars to be so quiet and comfortable, but the shock is that Bentley owner’s reportedly gave negative feedback about the vehicle being too silent, so then Bentley revised the engineering to pipe noise back in to the cabin lol

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Although I've been told there will never be a resolution for the front motor whine, I will always feel that there should be - it's the biggest frustration and disappointment of my '23 AGT (although certainly not the only one). I feel strongly that a vehicle such as this should not have any such noise. Just a few days ago I took an extended drive in a new Polestar 2 - there is no such noise. Tesla owners who have driven my car also say they have no such noise. I cannot understand how anyone at Lucid ever thought that this is okay. The fact that it has been engineered out of the car 2 years later further reinforces my perspective.

I would imagine (and this is pure conjecture), that it was initially not only tolerated by the engineering team, but perhaps even welcomed? It was distinctive and some owners actually really like it…

 

[rfc805]

While some knowledgeable people on the forum insist otherwise, I just have to believe that our Airs either have an eSIM or a physical SIM in a location that is easy to get to. I would swap out AT&T for one of my T-Mobile lines, if I could. I have to believe that plenty of people have one carrier that works better for them than all the others, and would consider swapping out if it was not AT&T.

It certainly is, probably eSIM - however, Lucid partnered with AT&T for it. So there is surely some sort of contract between the two and thus we're not allowed to change it.

Regarding the motor whine - which like I said, sounds very much like inverter noise to me. I've heard a variant of it in every single EV I've ever driven, none have been without it. I don't find it intrusive, but it is there. If I'm listening to music I don't notice it at all, so only when not listening to music.

I don't really think the noise can be 'fixed' - the only option I would expect is sound deadening between the inverter/motor and the cabin.

The vibration I mentioned is on the earlier loaners, you can feel a bit of vibration in the pedals that I think comes from the front motor. I'm surprised everyone here seems to not know of it - I'm pretty sure I even heard it referred to as the "built in foot massage" before. It also appears in the warranty document from Lucid, which is interesting. That is totally gone in the 25, not even a hint, which is what I presume the 'isolation' is for.

 

[Ktw13]

WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS MORE????

I have posted in several other threads on the Forum about my recent journey from driving a 2018 Tesla Model 3 Performance for the past six years to ordering Lucid Air Grand Touring (including this thread) and rather remarkably, I only learned of some SIGNIFICANT improvements to the Grand Touring starting in the 2025 Model Year AFTER making the decision to buy a 2025 model rather than trying to save some $$ on an earlier model year. Even my wonderful Lucid Rep at my local Studio (Alexxa Irizarry) did not mention the majority of those listed below when I was asking about the differences between a 2025 and 2022 GT. My source for this list can be found between 10:20 and 20:00 here:

Out of Spec Shakedown of 2025 Lucid Grand Touring

1. Front Motor Mount Changed to add isolation mounts thereby virtually eliminating front motor noise (one thing I really didn't like when test driving a 2024 Touring previously).
2. New Infotainment System CPU for instantaneous menu switching, screen scrolling and allowing for drag typing. The difference is dramatic. I went back and forth between a car with the earlier CPU and the new one and it is night and day.
3. New electromagnetic Motor Design that yields a 3% range increase. **Keep in mind that in early 2024, the EPA changed BEV testing requirements resulting in many EV manufacturers having to adjust DOWN the EPA MPGe ratings on their cars** By way of example, the Tesla Model Y Long Range listed range dropped from 330 miles to 310 due to this change. The range for the 2025 Lucid Air Grand Touring actually increased by a few miles -- under the new testing.
4. revised battery chemistry resulting in a slight increase of storage capacity from 112 kWh to 118 kWh.
5. Heat Pump replaced old heating system and has resulted in a 7% overall range improvement between -10 degrees C and 5 degrees C and a 5% increase in cold temperature highway driving range between -10 degrees C and 5 degrees C.
6. Lucid claims an overall "Real World Range Increase" of 9%. #'s 3 through 5 above may be why in another recent video by Out of Spec Reviews, they were actually able to get 510.5 real driving miles of range at 70 MPH when many on this Forum have posted that Lucid's real world ranges were somewhat exaggerated.
7. A/C Charging efficiency improved by 2% (due to lower energy transfer loss during charging).
8. DC Fast Charging Speed improved by 15% - 30%.
9. Continuous Power Performance Improved by 60%. Thermal Management throughout the drivetrain and energy delivery system has resulted in an increase of the Air Touring's ability to deliver sustained power over 30 minutes from 121 kW to 195 kW.
10. Over 55% improvement in "Thermal Handling Limits" (whatever that means!!).
11. Drive Unit Static Heating Power has been increased by 50% (I believe that this relates to how quickly you can condition the battery pack).

All of this came as a very pleasant surprise to me as my decision to "financially bite the bullet" and buy the new, 2025 model GT rather than an earlier model year (either used, demo, or 2024 Lucid stock) was based on a much more limited set of facts about the differences in model years. Generally speaking the only things that seem to be routinely spoken of are the snappier Infotainment system and the Heat Pump. Less often spoken of are the revised front motor mounts. Why on earth are we not all "ringing the church bells" over Lucid's ongoing commitment to deliver the most efficient electric drive trains on the planet? Then again, why is Lucid not doing the same? Has anyone seen ANY marketing talking about these 2025 model year changes? I sure haven't!

Some of the information you posted I haven't seen online.

Would it be OK to repost your summary on other platform as a starting point to promote 2025 Air?

 

[Pragmatic]

The fact that even owners and enthusiasts on this forum do not know the improvements in the 2025 models, shows how poor Lucid is at marketing.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Some of the information you posted I haven't seen online.

Would it be OK to repost your summary on other platform as a starting point to promote 2025 Air?

100%! Post away!!!!

 

[Blue Lectroid]

The fact that even owners and enthusiasts on this forum do not know the improvements in the 2025 models, shows how poor Lucid is at marketing.

It was really striking to me that this information is not only not widely out there but, like you said, even the "devoted, faithful" didn't know it. I forward the link of my post to my wonderful sales person at the Lucid Studio and her reply...

"Good morning! Thank you so much for sharing and I learned quite a bit from this!! I'm passing this over to the rest of my team as well so we can all be updated. Thank you for the shout out and I'm so happy you enjoyed the GT experience!"

This is really inexcusable from a corporate management standpoint. You've got showrooms all around the country with significantly upgraded vehicles and even your sales team do not know that 2025 brought a major mid-cycle refresh? I was very, very close to pulling the trigger on a wonderful, lightly used 2022 GT from a Forum member and cancelling my 2025 Pure order because based on everyone's collective feedback the differences between a 2022 and a 2025 GT "was pretty minor."

 

[Lucken]

As someone with a 25 GT - I think the whine you're trying to get away from with the isolation mounts is not gone. Though it could be a different one.

I do notice a difference - I've had 2 older loaner GTs now aside from my 25 GT. There is definitely an improvement in the isolation. However, I'd say it's more of a vibration improvement. There's definitely front end movement/vibration you feel fairly constantly from the older ones that isn't there.

The whine sound though, I'm pretty sure that's inverter whine, and it is still present.

One of the noises I've heard complained about as "Motor cogging" is actually the brake hold system, and nothing to do with the actual motor. That is still present - if you want that gone, you just have to switch from 'hold' to 'roll' mode.

The infotainment is the one that is really a dramatic change, though - so far, I still hit moments where the new one seems underpowered. I think these are probably bugs. The main time you notice it is engaging HA. It clearly lags the system while it starts up, and causes some weird behaviors as a result. I've actually had issues 3 times now where engaging HA causes my streaming music to "garble", which isn't recoverable without a restart/reboot.

Interesting. So I think we need more feedback from 2025 Lucid owners before we can say definitively whether revised motor mounts have largely eliminated motor whine. Do we even know for certain that motor mounts were revised? We’ve certainly seen lots of erroneous info from sales reps before, so this would not be the first time. Blue Lectroid is obviously hearing a change (assuming he hasn’t had a sudden hearing loss ).

I’d think the mods would have some definitive info on this. I certainly have zero vibration in my AWD Pure, so I’m not sure what you’re experiencing with that, but I suspect it’s not normal.

 

[Lucken]

So, there's a split here. One is the performance of the system itself, and one is the network connectivity. Here, AT&T is godawful, so aspects where it has to load data from the internet are equally awful. Mine frequently actually is "dead" because of this, but - we have no option to switch networks, so just the way it is.

The network connectivity being crap leaves me staring at screens like this a lot with nothing actually working. But it's not the local car infotainment being slow, just AT&T being terrible.

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Yes, I would take an improvement in connectivity over a new CPU without question. TBH I’m not bothered or even really aware of significant lag when changing screens or scrolling maps. But I am painfully aware of connectivity issues and have had them periodically from day one. In fact this is my #1 issue with the car. Improved connectivity would quiet my wife’s ongoing joking when this occurs. I would love to be able to kick AT&T out of the car!

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Yes, I would take an improvement in connectivity over a new CPU without question. TBH I’m not bothered or even really aware of significant lag when changing screens or scrolling maps. But I am painfully aware of connectivity issues and have had them periodically from day one. In fact this is my #1 issue with the car. Improved connectivity would quiet my wife’s ongoing joking when this occurs. I would love to be able to kick AT&T out of the car!

It's interesting that AT&T is also the mobile provider for Tesla and they do not seem to have the same connectivity issues that everyone is describing with Lucid. So, is it AT&T?